Is Terence Crawford the new GGG?

'Waited' huh? You're unable to say which titlist I am saying the word "any" I am saying just do it, nothing else. Terry at 32 fought 4, and thats not including ring and lineal which arent real titles nor including 2 vacant title wins. Across three divisions. GGG at turning 34, not even a sniff of facing a titleholder once. Look at the difference! That said, I respect GGG for getting a title back against Derev, he has proved again that he is at the same world level that he reached with Lemieux and Jacobs, instead of fading away into obscurity.

i'm ascertaining nothing, I am wondering who else was so non-committed as to have waited till they were 34 before facing the weakest titlist in recent years. Let me know which other "good champion" did that aside from Joe Calzaghe, who everyone knows was an unashamed bumkiller. 'Waited' huh? You're unable to say which titlist could have fought but yet still maintain that it was a deliberate choice not to fight 'em. Why is that? Surely you have some reason? We know that the WBA promoted Sturm out of his reach, we know that Geale prefered to fight Mundine for much more money, we know that Maravilla had much bigger fish to fry, we know that Pirog got injured, we know that Quillin was on the other side of a promotional fence that a Golovkin fight was never big enough to bridge. Who then?

Of course . i'm ascertaining nothing, I am wondering who else was so non-committed as to have waited till they were 34 before facing the weakest titlist in recent years. Let me know which other "good champion" did that aside from Joe Calzaghe, who everyone knows was an unashamed bumkiller.

He gets criticism for the whole 154-168 thing cause . wait wait lets just look at this sentence, which is being used to defend someone who didnt face a titlist till he was 34. Someone who says THAT, yet doesnt face ANYONE of the top title rung until he was 34. Thats clearly NOT facing "anyone 154-168" These opposite concepts. What it is is this, the opposite of his statement - facing NOONE at 154-168 unti he was 34. And even then it was the worst possible titlist at MW we have seen in Lemieux.

Like really, he's 32 and hasn't fought any legit competition. He is being hid out by Arum and he is getting praised as being a top 10 p4p when he hasn't fought anyone. I have a feeling that his career will be a lpt like GGG - a lot of question marks and well past his prime when he does step up. - -U the new Sheldumb??????????????????????????????????????????? Be dumb

Pac was begging arum for crawford fight for years but arum and crawford don't want any part of pac.. See the rewriting of history has begun, Pac begging to fight Crawford but Crawford didn't want it?? Who are you trying to fool.

Golovkin wasn't exposed to american audiences until much later in his career which contributed to his late arrival on the scene, but lets not forget that he was very avoided by pretty much anyone who had something to lose in that division. Fighters were vacating titles to avoid having to face him. He gets criticism for the whole 154-168 thing cause he didn't fight Ward at 168 but he hasn't fought anyone else at 168 either. In Crawford's case up until he got to 147 he had been fighting the best available, you don't become undisputed without facing the best available guys. I think fans just don't hold guys like Burns, Beltran, Postol and Indongo in high regard but they were the best guys at 135 and 140; its a fair opinion but harsh to turn that into Crawford avoiding tough competition. I hope he can get the best guys at 147 but it seems that he won't get them unless he signs with PBC which is BS in my opinion.

Not exactly..Crawford actually has moved up 2 times

i made it clear he should have fought a titlist before he turned 34. i havent changed that view. Of course he should have done, but the assertion you appear to be making is that the reason he didn't was because his team chose not to, rather because there were no such fights available. If that is what you're asserting surely you should be able to produce the name of a titlist he could have fought and a time frame in which that fight could have happened? I've given the names of some of the titlists incumbent at the time and legitimate reasons why the fights didn't happen... mainly because there were always more lucrative options for the titlists - GGG was barely known outside of the hardcore until he was pretty much 31 years old - though in the case of Pirog (the only other titlist with no significant market value or major promoter) due to injury.

Yeah, and I agree that they're very different circumstances, but the only 'massive difference' that you're asserting is that Bud got good fights younger and that Golovkin wasn't even trying to, so in this context the validity of that position is worth examining, surely? It was a genuine question, man. I'm trying to think of who GGG could have fought before that? WBC was tied up with Maravilla since before GGG was relevent and Sergio rightly choose to fight Cotto, Sturm wouldn't fight him for the WBA and Pirog got injured in the build up to the fight for the WBO which then ended up over the road with Quillin. Maybe they could have tried harder to get Geale earlier though I guess, but GGG was in promotional wilderness for most of Danny's reign and Geale always had more lucrative options anyway... so your assertion that they deliberately waited til GGG was old before looking for good opponents is kinda flawed I think. Probably I'm missing someone though, man. Tell you what, you must have been thinking of someone that GGG should and could have fought to prompt you to make that comment, so maybe if you share we can have a look at whether that stance is valid or not. i made it clear he should have fought a titlist to take that first title in the ring way before he turned 34. Theres no way you can compare to someone with multiple titles at multiple weights won in the ring before they turned 30. i havent changed that view.

If Golovkin wasn't signed to a second-tier promotional company like K2, I'm sure he would've got bigger fights earlier.

I am just contributing to the thread by pointing out the massive differences so the thread title is flawed, I'm not making excuses. If you want to make excuses feel free though, I am not censoring you. Yeah, and I agree that they're very different circumstances, but the only 'massive difference' that you're asserting is that Bud got good fights younger and that Golovkin wasn't even trying to, so in this context the validity of that position is worth examining, surely? It was a genuine question, man. I'm trying to think of who GGG could have fought before that? WBC was tied up with Maravilla since before GGG was relevent and Sergio rightly choose to fight Cotto, Sturm wouldn't fight him for the WBA and Pirog got injured in the build up to the fight for the WBO which then ended up over the road with Quillin. Maybe they could have tried harder to get Geale earlier though I guess, but GGG was in promotional wilderness for most of Danny's reign and Geale always had more lucrative options anyway... so your assertion that they deliberately waited til GGG was old before looking for good opponents is kinda flawed I think. Probably I'm missing someone though, man. Tell you what, you must have been thinking of someone that GGG should and could have fought to prompt you to make that comment, so maybe if you share we can have a look at whether that stance is valid or not.

LeMew?? Really?? yuh he was ibf titlist.

oh come on. GGG fought his first titlist aged 34. They are polar opposites. At least 3G is trying these days, got to give him credit for a run of Lemieux Jacobs Canelo Derev (plus 2 duffers) LeMew?? Really??

Which titlist or #1 contenders could GGG have fought earlier? :thinking: Dude was blackballed by his former promoter til he was near 31 years old, man, you one of these dudes thinks a fighter can just click their fingers and get whoever they want in the ring? I am just contributing to the thread by pointing out the massive differences so the thread title is flawed, I'm not making excuses. If you want to make excuses feel free though, I am not censoring you.

we give GGG credit for trying once he reached the age of 34, by facing his first ever titlist and his first ever number 1 contender. But as soon as he started doing that, the kos evaporated and losses started appearing too after just 4 opponents...which explains 100% why he left it late. if he'd been fighting at this level for the last 10 years he's have 4 or 5 losses, and barely one KO. Which titlist or #1 contenders could GGG have fought earlier? :thinking: Dude was blackballed by his former promoter til he was near 31 years old, man, you one of these dudes thinks a fighter can just click their fingers and get whoever they want in the ring?

we give GGG credit for trying once he reached the age of 34, by facing his first ever titlist and his first ever number 1 contender. But as soon as he started doing that, the kos evaporated and losses started appearing too after just 4 opponents...which explains 100% why he left it late. if he'd been fighting at this level for the last 10 years he's have 4 or 5 losses, and barely one KO.

Like really, he's 32 and hasn't fought any legit competition. He is being hid out by Arum and he is getting praised as being a top 10 p4p when he hasn't fought anyone. I have a feeling that his career will be a lpt like GGG - a lot of question marks and well past his prime when he does step up. oh come on. GGG fought his first titlist aged 34. They are polar opposites. At least 3G is trying these days, got to give him credit for a run of Lemieux Jacobs Canelo Derev (plus 2 duffers)

One of my favorites of all time, Marvin Hagler, fought exclusively at MW also, and I’d never call him a coward. I wouldn’t call GGG one either. He knew his limits. “Challenging yourself” doesn’t always end well. Just ask Mikey Garcia or Guillermo Rigondeaux. I agree with you but it’s the “anyone from 154-168” comment he gets **** for. Who knows maybe he meant he’d fight anyone from those classes but at 160 lol

Please do not lump them together. Crawford has accomplished way more at a younger age than GGG ever did. Crawford wants all of the tough fights unlike GGG. Crawford is a dog who is not afraid of a tear up with anyone, while GGG fights scared against top competition. Crawford and GGG are not in the same position. One is more accomplished and fearless, while the other is a huge cherry picking p*ssy.