I can’t believe in 2019 a brother feels the need to be a lacky! #uncletom pic.twitter.com/8t8TQHTEnF— Kevin Cunningham (@KCBoxTrainer) December 15, 2019
Dre's reaction throughout this was hilarious LOL.
i can see how pbc henchmen would be upset my it. saying deontay wilder is the only real man over at pbc is not saying much at all...
Why are we talking about Al Haymon, when it's the fighters who should push for fights? Do these guys have a say in anything, or do they just let Haymon run their careers? What motivation is there? To hand the p4p #1 boxer his first loss? To get his belt? To unify? To become undisputed?
And I'm saying that even if Arum sent Bud over to PBC, he'd just continue being saved for last. Has Haymon even shown any interest in taking Bud? It's not like he's offering Crawford retarded money, like Hearn did Wilder. Crawford would leave Top Rank and fight nobody, because they'd rather fight each other than lose to him.
So, you agree with me? Spence being frozen out by his own stablemates is an example of it being beyond promoters. This is the generation of the fighter, who doesn't wanna fight. Motherfuckers come up with a million and one excuses not to step in the ring with certain guys.
I never said they were scared. You don't have to be scared to duck. Them avoiding him for financial reasons doesn't change the fact that they're still avoiding him.
Assuming my race, when you've never even seen me before. Classy. Crawford is the most established champion at 147 besides Pacquiao. The man won straps in 3 divisions, and became undisputed in one. Spence, Thurman and Porter likely won't achieve even half of what Bud already has.
Spence told Bud to get a belt. Bud did, but Spence fought Porter instead. How is that not ducking?
The top PBC guys at 126 can't even fight each other. They got Gary Russell going out all kinds of fucked up, because Santa Cruz would rather move up than face him. Mans pulled up on Santa Cruz's terminally ill father talking crazy, and still couldn't get a match.
I'm saying a world champion shouldn't have to go through all these hoops to unify. At the end of the day, there won't be an undisputed welterweight champion, unless the guy with the 3 other belts goes through Crawford. That alone should be enough motivation to make the fight.
I know how the sport operates; it doesn't mean I can't talk **** at the fuckery these fighters pull. If he's a small welterweight and has the worst resume, then beating him shouldn't be a problem, right?
First off great Rebuttal on most points , I think we probably agree on most of this f.uckery It’s just we’re going about from 2 different angles and I wasn’t at all trying to get racial with you in my post , if that’s how it came across my bad I never even considered what race you were when I responded even though in some cases dudes make it obvious that they’re a fan of ( fill in the blank ) becuse they are also ( fill in the blank ) and think that when that fighter has success that translates into themselves being successful , I was throwing some insults your way more so some regular sh.it talking and just want to hammer in my point that I assume is right and your opinion isnt just wrong but so far from reality you should Question yourself why you’d even have that opinion , it’s the internet so it’s Not to be taken seriously just a bit of sh.it talking , I assumed ( and I was wrong ) that you didn’t factor in Bud is t getting the fights because this Carnival pretends to be a sport but it actually isn’t at all and the farthest thing from it
Boxing is a Business trying to masquerade that it’s a actual sport where Talent is what matters for fighters getting to the top and getting accolades, but the truth is this Carnival is about Popularity and having a team with maximum Power / Leverage that these fighters are competing in
Crawford’s the Man and one of the best there is but Even being a P4P talent and having Arum as his his Promoter , Bud and TR have no leverage at WW and he isn’t popular enough to get the fights he wants and the fans want to see him in. But he’s popular enough and they have enough invested in him that TR won’t
Send him to another platform to be involved in Big fight or risk him taking a L against a guy where they aren’t the lead promoter and they don’t have some skin in the other fighter
Today very few fighters or their team actually care about being the best (I believe Buds a exception) it’s aboht Making as much for as long as possible and the Suits only care about holding onto as much power for as long as they can and using it that leverage to get their guys to stranglehokd a Division , they aren’t going to Have their fighter have a fight that has a decent potential for them to lose power in the sport while also giving more to the competition if their guy takes a L
Bud is in the same boat as Charlo / Andrade / Rigo / GGg / are or have been in but almost all for different reasons in which they probably aren’t going to get to face the fighters fans want to see them fight and if/when they do they’ll probably be old past prime or jump through another f.uckkng hoop or two to get the fight made where they’ll be a a severe disadvantage going in .
I’m probably just the bitter fan that almost expects this type of sh.it it at this point so when guys can’t get the fights the fighter or fans want to see , I just chalk it up Accept it as that’s just boxing. A absolute crooked sh.it show where talent means very little overall and in some cases it’s rhe only sport where being too talented actually will hurt your career if they don’t have the right team supporting them
This whole post is Timmy Logic
PBC WWs Have 3 of the 4 Straps , 5/6 of the best WWs basically almost all of the 2nd tier or past prime Notable names and fight on a larger platform. Haymon has all the leverage especially when you consider Bud Can’t sell PPVs to save his life so a joint PPV is probably out of the question . What motivation is there to send one of his guys to a smaller Rival Network so their Fighter can build his name off one of your fighters?
Why are we talking about Al Haymon, when it's the fighters who should push for fights? Do these guys have a say in anything, or do they just let Haymon run their careers? What motivation is there? To hand the p4p #1 boxer his first loss? To get his belt? To unify? To become undisputed?
Arum and Bud have no leverage. Arum would have to send Bud over to PBC while he’s shown he’ll send a 2nd tier to a rival of there’s potentially a benefit if he wins he won’t do that for any of his Thoroughbreds he has.
And I'm saying that even if Arum sent Bud over to PBC, he'd just continue being saved for last. Has Haymon even shown any interest in taking Bud? It's not like he's offering Crawford retarded money, like Hearn did Wilder. Crawford would leave Top Rank and fight nobody, because they'd rather fight each other than lose to him.
You must be dense if you can’t comprehend that Spence was viewed as a Threat just like Thurman was and until he had a sTrap and had his name built up , the established names weren’t going to fight them until he built his Name and made it worthwhile .
So, you agree with me? Spence being frozen out by his own stablemates is an example of it being beyond promoters. This is the generation of the fighter, who doesn't wanna fight. Motherfuckers come up with a million and one excuses not to step in the ring with certain guys.
******s like you think these guys are ducking and scared when literally every time you f.aggots say that , the ducker takes the fight when it becomes worth it to them and more often then not the Ducker is the one who actually wins.
I never said they were scared. You don't have to be scared to duck. Them avoiding him for financial reasons doesn't change the fact that they're still avoiding him.
See a pattern here, Dumb sh.it said inbred fans These Guys arent scared but Boxing is a Business first and a sport second so the new guy has to establish himself first and it becomes worth it to the already established names
To risk Their Position to take the fight. It sucks but that’s the way it is Unfortunately
Assuming my race, when you've never even seen me before. Classy. Crawford is the most established champion at 147 besides Pacquiao. The man won straps in 3 divisions, and became undisputed in one. Spence, Thurman and Porter likely won't achieve even half of what Bud already has.
This whole sh.it makes it seem like I’m not a Bud fan and don’t want him to get the big fights , The truth is I’m a fan and want him to fight the top guys but he put himself in a position where he isn’t ina.
Spence told Bud to get a belt. Bud did, but Spence fought Porter instead. How is that not ducking?
Did Arum Offer Valdez To any of the top 126ers , No he just let Valdez fight no hopers for 3 years instead of trying make a fight with any of the top PBC guys , Was Arum willing to let Nonito fight Mares on a GB Card.
The top PBC guys at 126 can't even fight each other. They got Gary Russell going out all kinds of fucked up, because Santa Cruz would rather move up than face him. Mans pulled up on Santa Cruz's terminally ill father talking crazy, and still couldn't get a match.
For some reason you think everyone should bend over backwards to get a Crawford fight because you view him as the best WW
I'm saying a world champion shouldn't have to go through all these hoops to unify. At the end of the day, there won't be an undisputed welterweight champion, unless the guy with the 3 other belts goes through Crawford. That alone should be enough motivation to make the fight.
Open your eyes realize how the sport operates and stop crying making up fairy tales in your mind that the other WWs are deathly scared of a guy that started at 135 and has the worst resume among the Top Crop Of WWs that’s not why he isn’t getting the fights you want to see him in .
I know how the sport operates; it doesn't mean I can't talk **** at the fuckery these fighters pull. If he's a small welterweight and has the worst resume, then beating him shouldn't be a problem, right?
Well, maybe if these PBC fighters wanted the smoke, he wouldn't be stuck facing sub par opposition.
My points are that Crawford shouldn't have to, and even if he did, he'd just be left on the shelf like Spence was. Promoters don't matter in this case, because neither Spence nor Thurman used that as an excuse not to fight him, last time I checked.
All the PBC guys are mixing it up? Nearly all the PBC guys were ducking Spence before Crawford moved up. That's what you call mixing it up? Spence literally told Crawford to his face that he saw Porter as an easier opponent, therefore would rather fight him. Thurman said he has no interest in Crawford during an interview. Stop blaming Crawford, when these guys clearly have no desire to face him.
At the end of the day, Pac's the fighter. He should have the final say in who he fights, unless sanctioning bodies get involved.
See, that's where you messed up. If they really wanted Crawford, they'd make Haymon put the fight together. They don't want it with Bud.
This whole post is Timmy Logic
PBC WWs Have 3 of the 4 Straps , 5/6 of the best WWs basically almost all of the 2nd tier or past prime Notable names and fight on a larger platform. Haymon has all the leverage especially when you consider Bud Can’t sell PPVs to save his life so a joint PPV is probably out of the question . What motivation is there to send one of his guys to a smaller Rival Network so their Fighter can build his name off one of your fighters? Arum and Bud have no leverage. Arum would have to send Bud over to PBC while he’s shown he’ll send a 2nd tier to a rival of there’s potentially a benefit if he wins he won’t do that for any of his Thoroughbreds he has. He only has a few guys that can draw a eyeballs and he’s proven for yesrs when he had Manny he has no interest in letting his guys fight top guys if he doesn’t have skin in the game on their career as well
You must be dense if you can’t comprehend that Spence was viewed as a Threat just like Thurman was and until he had a sTrap and had his name built up , the established names weren’t going to fight them until he built his Name and made it worthwhile . You remember when Thurman was the Flavour of the month and he crashed Pauline’s post fight when he had a sTrap, Did Paulie give him a fight , Was Mayweather offering him a fight , Was Arum offering Thurman to PAC / Bradley to Thurman , Was Cotto / Marquez wanting to Potentially be the first Notable names to have their scalp taken by Thurman. No Keith had to grind it out and get exposure slowly beating more Notable names . Just like Spence who had to grind his way to become the Mando for Kell , he broke Kells face on the road got a sTrap then it became worth it for Porter once he got the W and Garcia’s sTrap to risk it in a unification with Spence. As soon as Errol had 2 straps Danny was the first one in the ring wanting next. ******s like you think these guys are ducking and scared when literally every time you f.aggots say that , the ducker takes the fight when it becomes worth it to them and more often then not the Ducker is the one who actually wins.
Canelo was Ducking GGg
Garcia was ducking Lucas then Thurman
Mayweather was ducking PAC
Ward was ducking Kovalev
Wilder was ducking Ortiz
See a pattern here, Dumb sh.it said inbred fans These Guys arent scared but Boxing is a Business first and a sport second so the new guy has to establish himself first and it becomes worth it to the already established names
To risk Their Position to take the fight. It sucks but that’s the way it is Unfortunately
This whole sh.it makes it seem like I’m not a Bud fan and don’t want him to get the big fights , The truth is I’m a fan and want him to fight the top guys but he put himself in a position where he isn’t ina. Position to get the fights he or fans want and you must be new to the sport or blind to how it operates if you think a rival promoter or a Established fighter is going give a olive branch and fight a dangerous Threat on a smaller network for avg $ just to make the fans happy
Did Arum Offer Valdez To any of the top 126ers , No he just let Valdez fight no hopers for 3 years instead of trying make a fight with any of the top PBC guys , Was Arum willing to let Nonito fight Mares on a GB Card.
When Pac was with TR when was the last time he fought a guy who was was Dangerous and who Arum didnt Have Under his stabke or didn’t have Options on.
For some reason you think everyone should bend over backwards to get a Crawford fight because you view him as the best WW
Open your eyes realize how the sport operates and stop crying making up fairy tales in your mind that the other WWs are deathly scared of a guy that started at 135 and has the worst resume among the Top Crop Of WWs that’s not why he isn’t getting the fights you want to see him in .
Meanwhile in Reality all the top PBC WW have mixed it up the last couple years and Crawford sits alone on the TR island mostly fighting competition no one gives a f.uck about.
Well, maybe if these PBC fighters wanted the smoke, he wouldn't be stuck facing sub par opposition.
If Crawford wants to fight the PBC WW like you stated he has to force Arum to send him over to the PBc side to get the fight, The PBC Guys have lots of options and have a bigger platform they unfortunately don’t need Crawford, It’s Crawford who needs them
My points are that Crawford shouldn't have to, and even if he did, he'd just be left on the shelf like Spence was. Promoters don't matter in this case, because neither Spence nor Thurman used that as an excuse not to fight him, last time I checked.
Stop the ducking talk you come across as a f. Aggot believing these guys are scared of other fighters ,I can just as easily say Crawford ducked when he resigned with TR knowing he wouldn’t get any of the PBC top guys but it’s not true because none of the elites Duck if the $ Right , All the PBC guy are mixing it up , Buds proven he’d fight anyone , this is Business these fights aren’t happening because one of them is scared.
All the PBC guys are mixing it up? Nearly all the PBC guys were ducking Spence before Crawford moved up. That's what you call mixing it up? Spence literally told Crawford to his face that he saw Porter as an easier opponent, therefore would rather fight him. Thurman said he has no interest in Crawford during an interview. Stop blaming Crawford, when these guys clearly have no desire to face him.
I’m not even a PAC fan but I think through his career he’s proven he doesn’t give a f.uck who he fights. It’s Roach who said he didn’t want Manny to fight Bud because he realizes Bud would most likely beat the living sh.it out of Manny the same way Spence probably will
At the end of the day, Pac's the fighter. He should have the final say in who he fights, unless sanctioning bodies get involved.
Keep dreaming if you think Haymon will send Porter or any other Valuable PBC WW over to ESPN help them succeed and let his competitions fighter build his rep off one of his guys. It’s not happening similar to why Arum isn’t going to send Bud over to the PBC.
See, that's where you messed up. If they really wanted Crawford, they'd make Haymon put the fight together. They don't want it with Bud.
Dre's reaction throughout this was hilarious LOL.
Haha!
I also like the way Tim Bradley looks at Andre Ward for affirmation afterwards. Comedy that is.
PBC has been hyping in-house mismatches since their debut. Take one A-side fighter and hype his opponent to make it look like it will be competitive or even compelling. They mapped out that blueprint with Floyd when he came on board and have stuck to that script ever since.
please stfu u focking fgt...jfc
PBC has been hyping in-house mismatches since their debut. Take one A-side fighter and hype his opponent to make it look like it will be competitive or even compelling. They mapped out that blueprint with Floyd when he came on board and have stuck to that script ever since.
Davis turned down a $5 million offer to fight Farmer. He avoided him.
davis is probably making 3 mil a fight staying right where he is...is that worth alienating floyd/al/showtime(all whom have invested in him and gotten him to this point)?
tank has been on 7 straight showtime/ppv shows...sold out in his hometown....been main support to a ppv that sold 2+.....should he turn his back on all of those guys for an extra 2 mil for one night or stick with the guys who have big plans for him and have already made him a mini star at the young age of 25(just turned last month)?
how many guys, sans canelo, that are fighting today were doing this well at 24-25?
i guess he should jump ship to another network for a night all for an extra 2 mil....ahhhh...thats a suckers move.....farmer aint worth it either....he brings nothing...far more people know gamboa even if gamboa is not a great opponent at this point
you guys will tell us that it doesnt matter that gamboa is more known because its not about that ...its about fighting better comp...yet youll reference the 2 mil difference in the offer....tank jumping for 2 mil is shortsighted....farmer fights in front of 30k viewers lol...the DAZN subs arent to watch farmer fight on the undercard of andrade/keeler lol
People saying it was because of ESPN but hasn't Bradley been rocking with Crawford for years even helping him get the fight with Presscott.
Yup. I remember an interview where Bradley said he was using Crawford as a sparring partner. After a few sessions Bradley told him ( and Top Rank ) " this guys no sparring partner . He's a future world Champ " !
If correct. It sounds as if Bradley opened up the Top Rank doors for Crawford.
Just saw last nights clip of Bradley calling out PBC.
Bradley's waaay too emotional. He's up there acting like the Charlos.
Bradley is right. He has first hand experience as PBC fighters avoided him. But here’s the list for you guys:
Gary Russell Jr. fights once a year.
Leo Santa Cruz refuses to fight other champions in his weight classes and won’t even give Frampton a third fight.
Tank Davis won’t fight Tevin Farmer or Vasyl Lomachenko. In fact, he won’t fight anyone.
Mikey Garcia ducked Jorge Linares and Vasyl Lomachenko.
None of the PBC welterweights will fight Crawford.
Jermall Charlo won’t fight Andrade, or anyone for that matter.
Benavidez and Plant have no interest in the other champions at 168.
Adonis Stevenson ducked everyone until the wbc forced him to fight someone real.
If I missed anyone I apologize. But it’s clear that PBC is the most notorious for keeping everything in house. There are a few exceptions but they’re the ducking promotional outfit. Everyone else shares their toys, pbc doesn’t.
lol@tank avoiding farmer...cmon man...i mean....like nobody knows who farmer is.....even old gamboa is way more well known than farmer....farmer fights get like 30k viewers man....dude is irrelevant......the guy aint about to alienate his promoters/managers to go over to DAZN once to fight that guy.....get real
on the flip side you heard loma calling out tank last night...why? because these guys all know tank is already a mini star that is on the rise...and hes still a pup....lopez/loma 2020...if loma wins then loma/tank 2021...it makes sense
Provodnikov ruined that dude’s life...he never really fully recovered from that concussion!! Provo got him out here talking crazy af on national television!! Pray for Timothy!!
Meanwhile, Spence didn't get a single decent PBC welterweight opponent until earlier this year. He won his first world title 2 years ago, and just got Porter his last fight. If a fighter wants to make a match, they'll pursue it no matter who's promoting them. Thurman and Spence are on camera saying they don't wanna fight Crawford. Porter and Crawford didn't wanna fight each other, because they're close friends, apparently.
Crawford could probably get Porter, but Porter's no longer a world champion, so it's all about Spence and Pac. Spence ducked him, and Pac didn't even wanna fight Crawford when they were stablemates.
Meanwhile in Reality all the top PBC WW have mixed it up the last couple years and Crawford sits alone on the TR island mostly fighting competition no one gives a f.uck about.
All Fighters on their way up go through this if their viewed as legit threats , they have to be patient and earn their position because rarely will a established name in the sport be willing to be the first one to get potentially beat down , scalped and let the new guy make their name off their Name . None of the top WWs we’re willing to give Thurman a shot on his way up he had to be patient just like Spence. As soon as Spence got a sTrap built up his name the other top dogs in the Division were willing to fight him. Unfortunately that’s how the sport works.
If Crawford wants to fight the PBC WW like you stated he has to force Arum to send him over to the PBc side to get the fight, The PBC Guys have lots of options and have a bigger platform they unfortunately don’t need Crawford, It’s Crawford who needs them
Stop the ducking talk you come across as a f. Aggot believing these guys are scared of other fighters ,I can just as easily say Crawford ducked when he resigned with TR knowing he wouldn’t get any of the PBC top guys but it’s not true because none of the elites Duck if the $ Right , All the PBC guy are mixing it up , Buds proven he’d fight anyone , this is Business these fights aren’t happening because one of them is scared.
I’m not even a PAC fan but I think through his career he’s proven he doesn’t give a f.uck who he fights. It’s Roach who said he didn’t want Manny to fight Bud because he realizes Bud would most likely beat the living sh.it out of Manny the same way Spence probably will
Keep dreaming if you think Haymon will send Porter or any other Valuable PBC WW over to ESPN help them succeed and let his competitions fighter build his rep off one of his guys. It’s not happening similar to why Arum isn’t going to send Bud over to the PBC.
Lmfao the title and hashtag is hilarious.
So Bradley is an uncle tom for supporting another black fighter? What am i missing here?
I don’t think anyone is calling him that, it’s just the hilarious way he went about it.
Not saying others don’t do the same BS doe.
Dre was a bit stunned and was like bro, you're on your own on this one LOL.
I don’t see any reaction from Ward, from beginning to the end nothing in his facial expression changes. The other guys facial expressions did changed doe.
The issue with Bradley here is the fact that Crawford is his mate. He is letting his emotions over take his professionalism much like Lennox Lewis shills for PBC.
They need to separate the two whenever they are working.
I can’t believe in 2019 a brother feels the need to be a lacky! #uncletom pic.twitter.com/8t8TQHTEnF— Kevin Cunningham (@KCBoxTrainer) December 15, 2019
Dre's reaction throughout this was hilarious LOL.
Hahahha I haven't heard it yet and i've no idea wht he's saying Dre's look at 24 seconds is freaking priceless
Bradley should know better then anyone that when Bud signed a extension with TR it basically killed any prospect of Bud fighting a PBC WW for the foreseeable future.
Meanwhile, Spence didn't get a single decent PBC welterweight opponent until earlier this year. He won his first world title 2 years ago, and just got Porter his last fight. If a fighter wants to make a match, they'll pursue it no matter who's promoting them. Thurman and Spence are on camera saying they don't wanna fight Crawford. Porter and Crawford didn't wanna fight each other, because they're close friends, apparently.
All the scared PBC WW will continue to fight each other while Bud will continue to mostly fight names no one gives a sh.it About
Crawford could probably get Porter, but Porter's no longer a world champion, so it's all about Spence and Pac. Spence ducked him, and Pac didn't even wanna fight Crawford when they were stablemates.