Just looked through the TBRB ratings to see which belts were held by the top fighter in each division according to TBRB.
The disparity was far wider than I expected.
Out of the 17 divisions, the top fighter in 12 of the divisions is a WBC champion. 5 are WBA champions. 3 are IBF champions and only 2 are WBO champions.
I have no idea what that means
You have no idea what being a unified champion means? Errol Spence and Artur Beterbiev are the top fighters in their divisions according to TBRB. Both hold the WBC and IBF titles. So the top fighters in 17 divisions can end up holding more than 17 titles total.
you need to name 12 divisions where the WBC champ is the top guy
Out of the 17 divisions, the top fighter in 12 of them, according to TBRB, is a WBC champion. Here is the list once again:
Heavyweight: Deontay Wilder (WBC World Champion)
Cruiserweight: Mairis Briedis (WBC Diamond Champion)
Light Heavyweight: Artur Beterbiev (WBC World Champion)
Super Middleweight: Callum Smith (WBC Diamond Champion)
Middleweight: Canelo Alvarez (WBC Franchise Champion)
Welterweight: Errol Spence (WBC World Champion)
Lightweight: Vasiliy Lomachenko (WBC Franchise Champion)
Super Featherweight: Miguel Berchelt (WBC World Champion)
Super Bantamweight: Rey Vargas* (WBC World Champion)
Super Flyweight: Juan Francisco Estrada (WBC World Champion)
Light Flyweight: Kenshiro Teraji (WBC World Champion)
Minimumweight: Wanheng Menayothin (WBC World Champion)
*Guillermo Rigondeaux has left the division, Rey Vargas rated #1.
Only 2 of the 17 top fighters hold a WBO title.
Nobody said there were 22 champions. 17 champions can hold 22 titles if some of them are unified champions.
I have no idea what that means
FACT: there are only 17 divisions
FACT: there is only one... " best "... in each division
FACT: according to your original post, you need to name 12 divisions where the WBC champ is the top guy
go...
No gymnastics. I listed which organization's title is held by the top fighter in each division according to TBRB.
name the divisions where the WBC champ is the top guy
there are only 17 divisions... so, somehow coming up with 22 champions is... gymnastics
I'm not going to argue your inexperienced uneducated amateur opinion. I've shown you that according to the world's leading experts, the top fighter in 12 of 17 divisions is a WBC champion, while only 2 of 17 are WBO champions. I'm not going to argue my opinion or your opinion. Obviously you're going to think your opinion is the best. I've taken all bias out of it.
that's fine... NAME THEM...
the only WBC champs are... Menayothin, Estrada, Berchelt, Spence, Beterbiev
five, not twelve
there are others who could be... but some of the 5 above, may not be
here is the point you missed...
Q. are the WBC definitive... ?
Q. are they anything even remotely close to 100%... ?
then, there is nothing to see here... the WBC could have the best guy ranked #1... or, they may not have the best guy ranked #1
who cares... because anything less than 100% will raise questions
not having the top 6 P4P fighters in the world will provide answers
this is how this thread will end...
with me asking you why the WBC do not award a #1 ranking to the guys who are the best in their respective divisions... individually... one post for each of them :lol1:... then, I will start on the P4P fighters and do the same
that will be really uncomfortable
all I am saying is... the WBC are not definitive, so the only way you could get me - or anybody else realistically - to agree that the WBC have somehow elevated themselves above anyone else... is if you first convince us to lower our standards and accept MUCH less than 100%... and yea, I will not be doing that today, tomorrow, or any other day
it is easier to simply laugh at ineptitude, than it is to lower my standards
btw, just a heads up... we will be starting our debate with Inoue
who the hell is Nordine Oubaali ?
Nobody said there were 22 champions. 17 champions can hold 22 titles if some of them are unified champions.
I have no idea what that means
FACT: there are only 17 divisions
FACT: there is only one... " best "... in each division
FACT: according to your original post, you need to name 12 divisions where the WBC champ is the top guy
go...
No gymnastics. I listed which organization's title is held by the top fighter in each division according to TBRB.
name the divisions where the WBC champ is the top guy
there are only 17 divisions... so, somehow coming up with 22 champions is... gymnastics
I'm not going to argue your inexperienced uneducated amateur opinion. I've shown you that according to the world's leading experts, the top fighter in 12 of 17 divisions is a WBC champion, while only 2 of 17 are WBO champions. I'm not going to argue my opinion or your opinion. Obviously you're going to think your opinion is the best. I've taken all bias out of it.
that's fine... NAME THEM...
the only WBC champs are... Menayothin, Estrada, Berchelt, Spence, Beterbiev
five, not twelve
there are others who could be... but some of the 5 above, may not be
here is the point you missed...
Q. are the WBC definitive... ?
Q. are they anything even remotely close to 100%... ?
then, there is nothing to see here... the WBC could have the best guy ranked #1... or, they may not have the best guy ranked #1
who cares... because anything less than 100% will raise questions
not having the top 6 P4P fighters in the world will provide answers
this is how this thread will end...
with me asking you why the WBC do not award a #1 ranking to the guys who are the best in their respective divisions... individually... one post for each of them :lol1:... then, I will start on the P4P fighters and do the same
that will be really uncomfortable
all I am saying is... the WBC are not definitive, so the only way you could get me - or anybody else realistically - to agree that the WBC have somehow elevated themselves above anyone else... is if you first convince us to lower our standards and accept MUCH less than 100%... and yea, I will not be doing that today, tomorrow, or any other day
it is easier to simply laugh at ineptitude, than it is to lower my standards
btw, just a heads up... we will be starting our debate with Inoue
who the hell is Nordine OubaaliI ?
how can there be 17 divisions, and 22 champions ?
Nobody said there were 22 champions. 17 champions can hold 22 titles if some of them are unified champions.
try again, without the gymnastics
No gymnastics. I listed which organization's title is held by the top fighter in each division according to TBRB.
the WBC have 5 champions who are the best in their respective divisions
I'm not going to argue your inexperienced uneducated amateur opinion. I've shown you that according to the world's leading experts, the top fighter in 12 of 17 divisions is a WBC champion, while only 2 of 17 are WBO champions. I'm not going to argue my opinion or your opinion. Obviously you're going to think your opinion is the best. I've taken all bias out of it.
this is so simple...
I expect 100%
FACT: none of the ABC organisations are definitive
FACT: none of the ABC organisations are even close
the WBC may have the best pool of fighters... although, that is starting to look highly unlikely when you examine the real facts... but if they are not definitive, or even close, then they are just another ABC body peddling their wares... so what if one is slightly better than the others, when NONE of them are definitive?
no idea why you need everyone to view the WBC above anyone else?
when they deserve it... I will agree with you
if there is nothing to distinguish the WBC from the crowd... other than a slightly longer history, and possibly 1-2 better fighters (again, which I doubt)... then there is not enough reason to value them at the expense of the other bodies
they are all excess baggage
Just looked through the TBRB ratings to see which belts were held by the top fighter in each division according to TBRB.
The disparity was far wider than I expected.
Out of the 17 divisions, the top fighter in 12 of the divisions is a WBC champion. 5 are WBA champions. 3 are IBF champions and only 2 are WBO champions.
how can there be 17 divisions, and 22 champions ?
try again, without the gymnastics
the WBC have 5 champions who are the best in their respective divisions
5... NOT 12
NOTE: the top 6 P4P fighters in the world (ranked by The Ring) are NOT WBC champions... so yea, that fact makes your point a REAL hard sell
stats are like a bikini... they give you a rough idea whats going on, but they hide the good stuff
Explain the LW division & MW then?
Look at the current ratings of each of the four major organizations.
The WBA has 44 champions listed, the WBC has 19, the IBF has 17 and the WBO had 18. That's counting world, super, interim, gold, diamond and franchise.