People need to acknowledge something on here. They don't like to see a favourite dominate a fight.
We all love a fight where the momentum swings. That's what Wilder v Fury did. That's what Wilder v Ortiz 1 did That's what Ruiz v Joshua 1 did in a single compelling round.
Then we all love a fight where the underdog has some success. That's another tick for Wilder v Fury (remember where Fury was coming from at that time), Wilder v Ortiz 2, Joshua v Ruiz 1.
It makes good entertainment because it's drama. In a boxing sense, though, none of those performances were particularly good. None of them were particularly aggressive. The technical displays weren't elite - far from it in some cases.
Forget about whether you rate Ruiz for a second, Joshua v Ruiz never had the drama of the fights I mentioned. And that's why you didn't enjoy it as much.
Joshua dominated the fight. He put on a more dominant display then anything that was seen in the other fights I mentioned.
I get why that makes it less of an interesting fight, but tell me, why would that make Joshua's performance less impressive?
The sense I get is that he would have got far more credit if he'd made a few more mistakes, lost a few more rounds and finished it in the twelfth when he landed those last few big shots because he couldn't be sure of a points win.
That would make it a much better fight, and a much less impressive performance from Joshua.
AJ should dominate and he did dominate. The others would attempt exactly the same thing.
They would against Ortiz too.
Again, does that make Joshua's performance better or worse?
Does getting outboxed for 6 rounds make Wilder's performance better or worse?
Wilder did not get dropped 4 times and stopped and had to rematch a fat short unranked late replacement
But why? To satisfy you?
The aim is to win, and once he was a few rounds up there was no need to stop Ruiz. Anyone could see that Ruiz' only hope was if Joshua did exactly what you've just said.
The gap between them was so significant that Joshua probably could have followed up on some of his good shots and gone for a stoppage, but he also could have been clipped in return by a guy who has incredible punch resilience.
The purpose for stopping a guy is to win the fight. Either because the scoring is in the balance or to negate the chance of him stopping you. In this fight it made more sense not to try stop him. Anyone would do exactly the same.
It’s not about me bro, I’m not a bloodlust boxing fan. When you have an opponent outclassed and one who best your ass like you were a petulant child, you need to make a statement of your own. That’s what it’s about, there wasn’t shh Ruiz could do to him on fight night..that straight right was there all night. Ruiz had nothing left from the 7th round on..kings of a division smell blood and strike.
It was uneventful.
That's on Ruiz, though. It's his job to force the issue when he's getting outboxed in every round.
If he'd properly rocked Joshua and AJ came through it, it would look like a better win. Yet because he didn't, Joshua's performance is denigrated.
Joshua couldn't have put in much more of a complete performance.
Face it...
Ah the catchcry of the moron. I'm not Joshua, or his trainer, or his promoter. I don't have to face anything.
Go on, say "B Sample". You're on your way to moron bingo.
For once you're right. I won't admit that - because I don't agree.
I know you won't admit it either.
The difference between me and you is that I have the intellectual equipment to form that opinion for myself, rather than relying on just enough brain cells to get as far as "UK = bad".
Anyway, you must be getting tired from all that 'thinking'. Have a nap. I'm sure your carer will tuck your sheets in.
Face it; your messiah QUIT against a journeyman, and didn't even try to vindicate himself. His glass jaw is going to get cracked again. The second he steps in there with someone with a pulse.
This is Frank Bruno 2.0.
And Wilder is his Tyson.
That is ASSUMING he has the balls to even fight Wilder. Which he doesn't.
Light years ahead of Ruiz/Joshua 2. Not that you'll ever admit it, Limey.
For once you're right. I won't admit that - because I don't agree.
I know you won't admit it either.
The difference between me and you is that I have the intellectual equipment to form that opinion for myself, rather than relying on just enough brain cells to get as far as "UK = bad".
Anyway, you must be getting tired from all that 'thinking'. Have a nap. I'm sure your carer will tuck your sheets in.
It sounds like you just catch the highlights on your Facebook feed.
The Wilder Ortiz fight was dull as dishwater as a fight. But you got your knockout clip so you're happy.
Light years ahead of Ruiz/Joshua 2. Not that you'll ever admit it, Limey.
Comparing skill level between weights is tricky.
Joshua is 6'6 and 240 pounds. He's not going to move like a scaled up welterweight.
But for a heavyweight I thought it was a very high skill level and exceptional athletic ability. How many times have you seen a big Heavyweight move so well in the twelfth round? There's can't have been many?
Surely you've heard of a guy named Wlad Klitschko? Your boy went life and death with him, when he was FORTY ONE.
Better. Because he FINISHED Ortiz in EMPHATIC fashion. You neglected to mention that. Most likely because you're a crooked tooth nut hugger from the UK.
It sounds like you just catch the highlights on your Facebook feed.
The Wilder Ortiz fight was dull as dishwater as a fight. But you got your knockout clip so you're happy.
But why? To satisfy you?
No ****tard. To make a statement. He got dropped, and QUIT against Ruiz the 1st time. You don't avenge a loss like that by boxing circles around a guy.
Lennox Lewis didn't do that against Rahman did he? But let's face the music here; While Lewis did rep the UK, the truth is; he grew up in, and learned how to box in my country; CANADA.
Lewis certainly didn't get his courage in the UK, that's for sure. You guys produce the biggest China-Chinned hypejobs in the sport. Joshua is no exception.
Does getting outboxed for 6 rounds make Wilder's performance better or worse?
Better. Because he FINISHED Ortiz in EMPHATIC fashion. You neglected to mention that. Most likely because you're a crooked tooth nut hugger from the UK.
Joshua should have taken a chance and tried to stop Ruiz..the guy was out of shape, wasn’t doing much that night and Joshua was satisfied with just going the distance after getting destroyed a few months ago.
But why? To satisfy you?
The aim is to win, and once he was a few rounds up there was no need to stop Ruiz. Anyone could see that Ruiz' only hope was if Joshua did exactly what you've just said.
The gap between them was so significant that Joshua probably could have followed up on some of his good shots and gone for a stoppage, but he also could have been clipped in return by a guy who has incredible punch resilience.
The purpose for stopping a guy is to win the fight. Either because the scoring is in the balance or to negate the chance of him stopping you. In this fight it made more sense not to try stop him. Anyone would do exactly the same.
All of this. I loved Mayweather fights because even in the rounds that were pretty dull, the skill level and ring IQ were just tremendous. Joshua put in a solid display against a snail with fast hands. It wasn't close to a masterclass. It was a good performance 7.5/10 against a man out of shape and completely ill-prepared to defend his titles.
Comparing skill level between weights is tricky.
Joshua is 6'6 and 240 pounds. He's not going to move like a scaled up welterweight.
But for a heavyweight I thought it was a very high skill level and exceptional athletic ability. How many times have you seen a big Heavyweight move so well in the twelfth round? There's can't have been many?
Joshua should have taken a chance and tried to stop Ruiz..the guy was out of shape, wasn’t doing much that night and Joshua was satisfied with just going the distance after getting destroyed a few months ago.
It was boring AF. AJ fought timid much of the time and when he did engage, he immediately backed off. It was like a Mayweather fight, without the high skill level. The only reason Floyd was at all interesting to watch was because he had dazzling skill. This fight was, "I touch you then I run for a bit. Then I do it again." Andy had no plan B.
I'm not going to fault anyone but I will say it was awful to watch. I started shopping online after a few rounds of that shyt.
All of this. I loved Mayweather fights because even in the rounds that were pretty dull, the skill level and ring IQ were just tremendous. Joshua put in a solid display against a snail with fast hands. It wasn't close to a masterclass. It was a good performance 7.5/10 against a man out of shape and completely ill-prepared to defend his titles.
I think you summed it up really well. The bit that your missing is that fans (in the case of Wilder , even the rival himself) there is a sense of jealousy which kicks in also. Many respond to discredit when they would have liked to have seen their own superstar perform in that way. Often that’s a subconscious thing too.
It’s not unique to boxing to be fair, you often see it in F1 with Hamilton at the moment for example - because he is winning whether his car is good, bad or indifferent.