Boxing fans need to accept reality.

the fighter makes the belt... NOT the other way around Yes, but not in a vacuum. So over time, a series of fighters end up making a belt as well. You can't say the fighter makes the belt and then ignore decades of fighters making a belt. When George Foreman was unified WBU/IBA heavyweight champion, that didn't mean the WBU and IBA belts were suddenly recognized world championships. you, telling me that Nordine Oubaali is a better bantamweight than Inoue No. Stop being so pedantic. Every single WBC champion at all times doesn't have to be better than every single WBO at all times in order for there to be a historical pattern that the WBC has had stronger champions than the WBO overall. and like I told you on the other thread, the WBC currently have 5 champions who are ranked #1... not 12 You're wrong. http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/ Heavyweight: Deontay Wilder (WBC World Champion) Cruiserweight: Mairis Briedis (WBC Diamond Champion) Light Heavyweight: Artur Beterbiev (WBC World Champion) Super Middleweight: Callum Smith (WBC Diamond Champion) Middleweight: Canelo Alvarez (WBC Franchise Champion) Welterweight: Errol Spence (WBC World Champion) Lightweight: Vasiliy Lomachenko (WBC Franchise Champion) Super Featherweight: Miguel Berchelt (WBC World Champion) Super Bantamweight: Rey Vargas* (WBC World Champion) Super Flyweight: Juan Francisco Estrada (WBC World Champion) Light Flyweight: Kenshiro Teraji (WBC World Champion) Minimumweight: Wanheng Menayothin (WBC World Champion) *Guillermo Rigondeaux has left the division, Rey Vargas rated #1. The top fighter in 12 of 17 divisions in boxing's most respected ratings, TBRB, is a WBC champion. Only 2 of the 17 are WBO champions. Stop acting like the WBC and WBO are equals. One was a worldwide unification of the sport's most respected and prestigious titles (NYSAC, IBU & NSC) and the other was invented out of thin air after the leader of the WBA's bribery ring was banned for life by the WBA for taking bribes, so he had to start his own organization the WBO.

There are four major leagues in boxing. All favored by different promoters. In boxing, you can't expect one league to have the top fighter in every division. But you are determined to insist all belts have the same value and should command equal respect. That's just not how the sport is though. So yes, you are correct, there is no definitive belt in boxing, but Wimbledon is still more prestigious than the Australian open, even though they're both grand slams. If you look at the top fighter in each division in the TBRB ratings, here's how many of the top fighters hold a title from each of the organizations: WBC - *12* champions are the top fighter in the TBRB ratings. WBA - 5 IBF - 3 WBO - 2 When one organizations has the top fighter in 12 divisions and another only has the top fighter in 2 divisions, you can't keep pretending that the organizations are equal. that is simply not true like I told you... flawed logic there FACT: the fighter makes the belt... NOT the other way around you, telling me that Nordine Oubaali is a better bantamweight than Inoue... simply because Oubaali holds the WBC strap... is shockingly incorrect... and if you tell me that there are exceptions, then you just shot yourself in the foot there are MANY other current examples, and dozens throughout history and like I told you on the other thread, the WBC currently have 5 champions who are ranked #1... not 12... no idea where you got that number from... Menayothin, Estrada, Berchelt, Spence, Beterbiev

1) FACT: the WBC are not definitive... in plenty of divisions, they do not rank the top fighter There are four major leagues in boxing. All favored by different promoters. In boxing, you can't expect one league to have the top fighter in every division. But you are determined to insist all belts have the same value and should command equal respect. That's just not how the sport is though. So yes, you are correct, there is no definitive belt in boxing, but Wimbledon is still more prestigious than the Australian open, even though they're both grand slams. If you look at the top fighter in each division in the TBRB ratings, here's how many of the top fighters hold a title from each of the organizations: WBC - *12* champions are the top fighter in the TBRB ratings. WBA - 5 IBF - 3 WBO - 2 When one organizations has the top fighter in 12 divisions and another only has the top fighter in 2 divisions, you can't keep pretending that the organizations are equal.

The injury occurred twelve weeks before the training camp according to Wilder. He accepted the Joshua fight six months before he ended up fighting Fury.

That isn’t avoiding a double standard, that is not calling your countryman out hoping the ukad would do what suiliman did for canelo. Wtf you talking about I said it's wrong what they did not notify Rivas. But I didn't pretend to know the results like you lot screaming "b-sample! b-sample or he's guilty!" After they had said they're not disputing findings so there is no point in b-sample but they are disputing there was no way he was juicing or had any gained anything accidental due to levels of the metabolites and the timing of the VADA tests he passed either side. Either the levels were stupidly low even for accidental consumption or they paid UKAD off. I ain't gonna pretend to know.

No, it was almost a month. He wasn't training when he accepted the offer. The injury occurred in training. The injury occurred twelve weeks before the training camp according to Wilder.

I have always wondered why different promotional companies don't do "trades" by allowing their fighters to appear on each other's platforms and vice versa for a fee. For example, what if Demetrius Andrade was allowed to fight Jermall Charlo on PBC in exchange for say Jermell Charlo facing Jaime Munguia on DAZN. Or if Vasiliy Lomachenko was allowed to fight Gervonta Davis on PBC in exchange for Errol Spence Jr. fighting Terrence Crawford on ESPN.

It's the same reason I don't take Crawford seriously. Like Bradley, he chose to hide behind Top Rank/the WBO, while all the other top fighters in the division were on the other side of the street. When the roles were reversed, and HBO had a monopoly on middleweight, Danny Jacobs crossed the street because that's where the action was at middleweight. Crawford has nobody to blame but himself for his situation. I agree... It's not that you should rate a fighter higher or lower based on which title they hold, it's that we've historically seen that certain organizations have a better caliber of fighters. The WBC is the most valuable belt, so it's the belt that has the most top fighters going after it. If you're with Warren or Arum, of course you go for the WBO and if you're a great fighter, you're not any less great because you hold the WBO, but you will likely be facing weaker competition. no, I STRONGLY disagree... that is flawed logic 1) FACT: the WBC are not definitive... in plenty of divisions, they do not rank the top fighter 2) who cares what happened in the past?... how on earth does, the WBC appointing the correct guy 80 years ago... automatically mean that they will appoint the best guy today? and the IBF are fkn awful, their rankings are truly dreadful... I think you are pushing shlt uphill with a pointed stick by trying to indicate that they are better than the WBO I care not about any of them, because NONE of them are definitive... the WBC are likely running about 50%... which is not great at all... if they were anything close to what you say, they would be 100% or very close PERMANENTLY... that is, IF you were to allow exceptions... otherwise they would be 100% period you are making that assumption/argument simply because you like the WBC... but there is nothing to indicate that anyone else should feel the same way it is extremely rare for fans to fall in love with a sanctioning body... or heaven forbid, a promoter/network... I have been following this sport for DECADES, and I had never encountered that behavior until the Pacquiao era... fans used to know the difference between a vulture and a fighter

The fighters are not owned by the broadcasting companies, Deontay Wilder if he wanted to? Could fight anywhere he wanted.

Did I? News to me. Pretty sure I said I'm waiting for the results. See I deliberately try to avoid double standards unlike you bozo's that go full steam ahead and make yourselves look like numptys. 'Just sayin........' That isn’t avoiding a double standard, that is not calling your countryman out hoping the ukad would do what suiliman did for canelo.

There have been two joint PPVs in history. Ok, thanks for confirming what I said.

In summary; Joint-PPV's aren't going to happen BUT joint-PPV's will happen, sometimes. Accept it. There have been two joint PPVs in history.

I'm supposed to believe there was a weeks difference? What are the odds of that. No, it was almost a month. He wasn't training when he accepted the offer. The injury occurred in training.

You believe whyte didn’t use PED’s before he was “cleared” so you should be able to believe the odds here. Just sayin........ Did I? News to me. Pretty sure I said I'm waiting for the results. See I deliberately try to avoid double standards unlike you bozo's that go full steam ahead and make yourselves look like numptys. 'Just sayin........'

PBC has the biggest stable. They need to drop the ABC belts and make their own PBC Belt and make PBC a stand alone league.

No, I disagree completely. Reality is - with how deep the talent pool is in boxing - it's usually not a problem that fighters from different promotions, with different TV deals don't fight each other. Is it a big problem that Jamal Herring won't fight Tevin Farmer? Or That Pulev won't fight Kownacki? Murata won't fight Charlo? Teixeira won't fight J-Rock etc.? Maybe not ideal, but there's many fights who are equally interesting with those guys involved so that's really not a big deal - and fighters can't fight everyone anyway. It's only really issue with true mega fights, when clear number 1 and number 2 - or two PFP fighters aren't fighting each other because of politics... ...and entire sports, everyone involved are just shooting themselves in the foot because of stupid ego or comformist approach. Fans are getting away from the sport alltogether when They don't get those couple fights - Crawford vs Spence, Wilder vs Joshua - that They really want. Everyone can make huge money, losing side will be in worse position sure, but whoever loses those fights is still a big draw.. Those idiots competing in business should stop being greedy, it's like They'd rather see everyone make less money than someone else make more money than them. Pathethic, just greed nothing else.

DAZN wants their stars fighting on DAZN. ESPN wants their stars fighting on ESPN. Fox & Showtime want their stars fighting on Fox & Showtime. DAZN's top stars aren't going to fight on ESPN or Fox/Showtime. ESPN's top stars aren't going to fight on DAZN or Fox/Showtime. PBC's top stars aren't going to fight on DAZN or ESPN. A big star from one side of the street can get a non-star from the other side of the street to cross the street to fight them. A non-star from one side of the street might cross the street if it's a world title fight (or eliminator) and their side of the street lost the purse bid. But that's about it. Stop fighting about it. Watch the fights that interest you. If one side of the street doesn't have fights that interest people, they'll go out of business. Joint PPVs are going to be very rare exceptions. Two A-sides that can make wayyyyy more fighting each other than they can make fighting in house. Crawford isn't a draw. Crawford vs. Spence does less buys than Pacquiao vs. Spence. Who is going to go through the hassle of a joint PPV when it's a smaller fight than the in house fight? Wilder vs. Fury is way bigger than any fight PBC can make in house in that division and way bigger than any fight Top Rank can make in house in that division. So you get the rare exception of a joint PPV. That's it. Otherwise stop crying. In summary; Joint-PPV's aren't going to happen BUT joint-PPV's will happen, sometimes. Accept it.

I'm supposed to believe there was a weeks difference? What are the odds of that. You believe whyte didn’t use PED’s before he was “cleared” so you should be able to believe the odds here. Just sayin........

That's not true. Wilder accepted Hearn's offer in early June 2018 and fought Fury in early December 2018. The broken arm occurred in late June. I'm supposed to believe there was a weeks difference? What are the odds of that.

When Wilder 'agreed' to cross the street he had a broken arm apparently. That's not true. Wilder accepted Hearn's offer in early June 2018 and fought Fury in early December 2018. The broken arm occurred in late June.