Joshua just revealed he had an operation and health issue in first Ruiz fight

From what I have heard/read so far, he attended more than one consultation but the issue wasn't immediately determined, hence why he went on with the fight. After the fight he had further checks it was discovered what the issue was and he had an operation. Assuming it was initially not considered anything serious to begin with but after losing to a fat guy he must have taken his symptoms more seriously.

You claim he lied but what if they didn't know his shoulder was torn? They filed paperwork for a painkiller before the fight because the pain only started 2 days before the fight. Show proof that they deliberately deceived the State AC, links to articles etc etc or your just speculating at this point. There is no speculation. The photos of the paperwork is available online. The post fight statements saying it bothered them in training camp are also available online. You can go google it yourself.

That is exactly what I am talking about the pacquaio fight. Oh my shoulder was fuked up before the fight. Gee, thats funny because you told the NSAC that your shoulder was fine on the paperwork. If you had an injury but lie about it pre fight to the doctors and commission, I dont want to hear about it post fight. If its a secret before the fight then keep it a secret after the fight. You claim he lied but what if they didn't know his shoulder was torn? They filed paperwork for a painkiller before the fight because the pain only started 2 days before the fight. Show proof that they deliberately deceived the State AC, links to articles etc etc or your just speculating at this point.

The reason he lost is because he fought like an idiot and jumped on a guy with faster hands up close and got himself hurt He got hurt by Whyte for jumping into a left hook. Got dropped by Wlad for standing right infront of his big right hand. So I’m not buying the excuses. He got hurt and finished because of his error. He was boxing fine before that. Now he beat Ruiz, he can make excuses for the first time. If he made excuses before this fight and lost again, then it would look worse.

That is exactly what I am talking about the pacquaio fight. Oh my shoulder was fuked up before the fight. Gee, thats funny because you told the NSAC that your shoulder was fine on the paperwork. If you had an injury but lie about it pre fight to the doctors and commission, I dont want to hear about it post fight. If its a secret before the fight then keep it a secret after the fight. Yup. Mentioning after the fact is pretty Convenient.

That is exactly what I am talking about the pacquaio fight. Oh my shoulder was fuked up before the fight. Gee, thats funny because you told the NSAC that your shoulder was fine on the paperwork. If you had an injury but lie about it pre fight to the doctors and commission, I dont want to hear about it post fight. If its a secret before the fight then keep it a secret after the fight. Tony Harrison brought that up when he pulled out of the Charlo rematch for surgery a few months back. People said he was ducking and he came out and said "If I lost the fight and blamed an injury, you'd all be calling bull****"

Is it really an excuse thou if he had to get medical help and get surgery? Its like people saying Pacquiao made up excuses for having a bum shoulder when he fought Mayweather, after the fight it turns out it was a linger issue for a few years and they actually had to surgically repair Pac's shoulder If fighters actually have to get medical procedures done, I am willing to accept that. When fighters just make **** up and its non medical related is when its an excuse IMO. That is exactly what I am talking about the pacquaio fight. Oh my shoulder was fuked up before the fight. Gee, thats funny because you told the NSAC that your shoulder was fine on the paperwork. If you had an injury but lie about it pre fight to the doctors and commission, I dont want to hear about it post fight. If its a secret before the fight then keep it a secret after the fight.

Yup. That would be Fraud. I said the same thing when people said that Josh had a severe concussion going into the fight. This isn't some bingo hall pro wrestling operation where you just walk in and perform. Except in Pacquiao's case the State AC screwed him over when it came to the painkiller but let Mayweather get his treatment, to this day getting an IV is clear night and day a massive issue, anyone who works in sports medicine knows this is a massive red flag.... (look up blood doping and why IV flush is required).

These excuses need to stop. They fill out a medical questionnaire as part of their physical. If they lie on the questionnaire, the doctor and commission cant do their jobs and properly sanction fights. Is it really an excuse thou if he had to get medical help and get surgery? Its like people saying Pacquiao made up excuses for having a bum shoulder when he fought Mayweather, after the fight it turns out it was a linger issue for a few years and they actually had to surgically repair Pac's shoulder If fighters actually have to get medical procedures done, I am willing to accept that. When fighters just make **** up and its non medical related is when its an excuse IMO.

These excuses need to stop. They fill out a medical questionnaire as part of their physical. If they lie on the questionnaire, the doctor and commission cant do their jobs and properly sanction fights. Yup. That would be Fraud. I said the same thing when people said that Josh had a severe concussion going into the fight. This isn't some bingo hall pro wrestling operation where you just walk in and perform.

These excuses need to stop. They fill out a medical questionnaire as part of their physical. If they lie on the questionnaire, the doctor and commission cant do their jobs and properly sanction fights.

man i've been wondering about this since the sky interview, where he admitted, 'yes, there was one particular thing that affected me in the first fight'. I second what splitSecond says, i need some specifics now

Specifics......