How aj beats wilder & fury

AJs a decent knockout artist as well, ko power in both hands. Wilders got more to worry about with AJ than just being outboxed for 12. If he doesn't counter or pressure AJ, he isn't going to fare well because he'll get smothered with a combo and knocked out. He hasn't got 12 to wait against AJ. That fight is a race to the KO. Aj has the talent to do so but does he have the psychology to do so? Im not going to go so far as to say he was tentative against Ruiz...if you can beat a man with a jab, why risk engaging? It would be interesting to see AJ go after Wilder.

Wilder is a pure puncher. Its a numbers game in many respects for such a fighter. A great analogy would be Bill Parcels the giants football coach. Parcels would seek to manage the clock compulsively. He wanted to hold the ball a certain amount of time during the game, and knew likely outcomes based on possessing the ball, and any other way of controlling the clock. With a puncher his game is predicated on throwing a certain amount of punches, within a match. Whether it is Dempsey, Liston, Tyson or Wilder, a puncher knows that if he gets a certain amount of opportunities he will succeed. Wilder is getting smart that way. For example he understood that WHEN he gets an opportunity does not matter so much as IF. Ortiz could win rounds, but if Wilder got the right amount of cracks at Ortiz, game over. Whether he went back and fourth and hit Ortiz with 5 good shots, or he hit Ortiz with those 5 shots in one round was, in a sense immaterial to Wilder... As long as he got the right amount of opportunities. Shannon Briggs demonstrated this when he knocked the Eastern Euro fighter out years back...in the last 20 seconds of the fight! So really for Wilder there is not much pressure. He will not try to counter AJ, will not have to worry about a game of jabs, because he has good reach and a decent jab...Remember also that having a great jab is an asset but sometimes a good jab used intelligently can be better than a great jab that can not be used. AJ has to worry about avoiding Wilder, while Wilder can just bide his time and find AJ whenever it suites him. AJ could survive but if wilder catches him right AJ does not have the chin to stand in there. AJs a decent knockout artist as well, ko power in both hands. Wilders got more to worry about with AJ than just being outboxed for 12. If he doesn't counter or pressure AJ, he isn't going to fare well because he'll get smothered with a combo and knocked out. He hasn't got 12 to wait against AJ. That fight is a race to the KO.

Ok, so if he fought the way he did last night then he really has a better chance at beating both. Wilder he can actually outbox doing what he did last night, as long as he doesn’t get hit with that monster of a right hand. With Fury he cannot outbox a boxer, so he would need to push on a bit and try and land his right hand. Depending on where the fight happens, I could see him getting the W just because Fury doesn’t really look to stop you like Wilder would.

Nice post, I always enjoy reading what you have to say. I think you're right in that Wilder's power is an equaliser for pretty much anything AJ can bring to the table. I still think it's possible that AJ could formulate and perform a good gameplan to beat Wilder, though I can't visualise what it looks like. I guess I'm banking on the adaptability that AJ has shown in the Ruiz rematch Thank You. A lot of what AJ has to do is grow comfortable using different techniques. when he comes in at a proper weight, like he did saturday, he ha decent mobility, his jab has been improving as well. The problem with wilder, is aside from Fury, who did make life uncomfortable for Wilder, nobody has given Wilder any reason not to think that he can fire at will. I watched the Ortiz fight with no volume and Ortiz may have won the rounds, but he never did anything to Wilder that fight that caused pain to stop Wilder from throwing punches at will. Wilder was banged up by Ortiz the first fight, but in his mind he weathered that and again, it never stopped him from punching. If I put myself in Wilder's shoes... fighting anyone, not just AJ.... I know that when I punch I will not get caught midpunch by a sharp counter, unless I am fighting Fury, I will not be punished if I stray off balance a bit, or have to reset to punch... So basically, with the exception of Fury, i can eat donuts, eat an occasional blow now and then, and decide when I want to attack. Fury has real skills and can do many things, and Ruiz could be very dangerous to Wilder if he gets his s h i t together and loses weight, because Ruiz can pressure Wilder and cause him to make a mistake. AJ cannot really counter punch, I have never seen him do so, his jab will not be as effective given Wilder's commensurate reach, he cannot pressure Wilder, and he has to be careful because he is fighting a very confident puncher who does not need to win rounds. I also do not think AJ has the best chin, he has been down in two of his fights. Now, having said the above, I don't disagree with you, rather, this is the starting point AJ has to have...taking a sober look at what he can and cannot do at the moment. Its quite a bit to overcome! If I were his team I would have him develop more skills, and he would Have to find a way to get Wilder to respect him... I honestly don't know how he could do that yet.

DONE with the Speculating and Assuming...Push all of them to fight each other instead of Fans acting like Groupies and being OK with guys not fighting each other and making excuses for them not fighting each other Make the F#CKING FIGHTS! No reason why AJ shouldn't fight the winner of Wilder vs Fury II I don't care about your conspiracies and what happened previously and who didn't accept what in the past. Comeback to the table and work something out It is A LOT of Fans who prefer to play things safe and don't want their favorite fighters in any danger so they get on the Internet and they just bash other fighters and talking about everything else besides their favorite fighter putting it all on the Line and fighting the very best I would much rather SEE these fights instead of going back and forth in threads like this because it is SAFE

Wilder is a pure puncher. Its a numbers game in many respects for such a fighter. A great analogy would be Bill Parcels the giants football coach. Parcels would seek to manage the clock compulsively. He wanted to hold the ball a certain amount of time during the game, and knew likely outcomes based on possessing the ball, and any other way of controlling the clock. With a puncher his game is predicated on throwing a certain amount of punches, within a match. Whether it is Dempsey, Liston, Tyson or Wilder, a puncher knows that if he gets a certain amount of opportunities he will succeed. Wilder is getting smart that way. For example he understood that WHEN he gets an opportunity does not matter so much as IF. Ortiz could win rounds, but if Wilder got the right amount of cracks at Ortiz, game over. Whether he went back and fourth and hit Ortiz with 5 good shots, or he hit Ortiz with those 5 shots in one round was, in a sense immaterial to Wilder... As long as he got the right amount of opportunities. Shannon Briggs demonstrated this when he knocked the Eastern Euro fighter out years back...in the last 20 seconds of the fight! So really for Wilder there is not much pressure. He will not try to counter AJ, will not have to worry about a game of jabs, because he has good reach and a decent jab...Remember also that having a great jab is an asset but sometimes a good jab used intelligently can be better than a great jab that can not be used. AJ has to worry about avoiding Wilder, while Wilder can just bide his time and find AJ whenever it suites him. AJ could survive but if wilder catches him right AJ does not have the chin to stand in there. Nice post, I always enjoy reading what you have to say. I think you're right in that Wilder's power is an equaliser for pretty much anything AJ can bring to the table. I still think it's possible that AJ could formulate and perform a good gameplan to beat Wilder, though I can't visualise what it looks like. I guess I'm banking on the adaptability that AJ has shown in the Ruiz rematch

Wilder moves back in straight lines and throws the same predictable 1 2 all night that's why even the poor competitors win the rounds. That's why Fury was making him miss pretty much all night That right hand is just devestatimg and against the short guys he keeps his distance until it lands. Andy Ruiz gave AJ trouble because when he's hurt he throws a hundred punched all in a second, Wilder just shells up and tries to survive when he's hurt and isn't capable of throwing these combos. Wilder wins if he pressures AJ, if he waits AJ will get him and finish him. Wilder is a pure puncher. Its a numbers game in many respects for such a fighter. A great analogy would be Bill Parcels the giants football coach. Parcels would seek to manage the clock compulsively. He wanted to hold the ball a certain amount of time during the game, and knew likely outcomes based on possessing the ball, and any other way of controlling the clock. With a puncher his game is predicated on throwing a certain amount of punches, within a match. Whether it is Dempsey, Liston, Tyson or Wilder, a puncher knows that if he gets a certain amount of opportunities he will succeed. Wilder is getting smart that way. For example he understood that WHEN he gets an opportunity does not matter so much as IF. Ortiz could win rounds, but if Wilder got the right amount of cracks at Ortiz, game over. Whether he went back and fourth and hit Ortiz with 5 good shots, or he hit Ortiz with those 5 shots in one round was, in a sense immaterial to Wilder... As long as he got the right amount of opportunities. Shannon Briggs demonstrated this when he knocked the Eastern Euro fighter out years back...in the last 20 seconds of the fight! So really for Wilder there is not much pressure. He will not try to counter AJ, will not have to worry about a game of jabs, because he has good reach and a decent jab...Remember also that having a great jab is an asset but sometimes a good jab used intelligently can be better than a great jab that can not be used. AJ has to worry about avoiding Wilder, while Wilder can just bide his time and find AJ whenever it suites him. AJ could survive but if wilder catches him right AJ does not have the chin to stand in there.

Haha... no... just no.

He fought the fight that most Wilder fans were saying he couldn't. AJ's best and most common style is smashing guys on the inside with combos something Wilder can't do and Fury might not be able to avoid. And i don’t know which wilder fan would say he couldn’t, he’s an Olympic champ and it’s an amateur style. He did what he had to but that won’t translate against elites.

Joshua boxed a short fat man today. His dynamic would be totally different vs a wilder or fury who he wouldn’t have a ten inch reach advantage in He fought the fight that most Wilder fans were saying he couldn't. AJ's best and most common style is smashing guys on the inside with combos something Wilder can't do and Fury might not be able to avoid.

I don't think it would end well for AJ if he expects to fight Wilder like he fought Ruiz II...right at the end of Wilder's long shots. I suppose his footwork is decent enough (outside the Ruiz I lateral shuffle disaster)--he might be able to get away with it long enough to pick up some early rounds because Wilder's output is not that great and he leaves himself open to falling behind on the cards sometimes. At some point, I think he would have much more of an advantage in the mid-range, trying to get under and inside of Wilder's shots. Wilder can shorten his punches (uppercut to end Ortiz), he can throw a punch with little windup as you come in (right hand to end Spilka), he can pull back and create some space for himself to get off...but if you stick with him for an extended period and are able to stay in mid-range, the openings will be there I really wish Fury would fight him like that because he both the outside/inside game, but he's been happy to be out there trying to be slick. Only in the 12th round after almost getting slept did he step forward and tried to take away the right hand in another way

I think Joshua would be bigger and stronger for both of these fights. He could enter the ring at 300 lb and sipping a milkshake and still outbox Wilder. So why fight fast and light? I think we'd see him at 245 lb or so. He'll need to finish Wilder - to avoid the right hand for 12 rounds is a big ask without having elite movement or defence. Still think it's a 50/50 and doesn't go the distance. Possibly similar size for Fury. But I think Fury will avoid that fight like the plague. He's not getting in with a similar sized boxer puncher. Styles make fights and that's a horrible one for Fury.

Not sure if jab n’ grab will work against Fury or Wilder.

Joshua boxed a short fat man today. His dynamic would be totally different vs a wilder or fury who he wouldn’t have a ten inch reach advantage in

Wilder's power is terrifying and he can end AJs night in one solid punch...... still the fact is he is a terrible boxer and will probably be the first one to get caught with a big shot and when he does he'll be in serious trouble. Joshua has to finish him when that happens or eventually Wilder will catch him.

Joshua is in the same position as any other potential Wilder opponent: if he can avoid the right, he probably wins; if he can't avoid the right, he probably loses. The factors are Joshua's power and Wilder's chin. If Wilder's chin is very good - if 2018 Ortiz's power was legit - I don't think Joshua's power is putting him down with one punch or one combination. He'd have to put a sustained hurt on him and wear him down a bit first. If Wilder's chin is still an unknown quantity - if 2018 Ortiz was faded or his power was overrated - anything's possible. Not a Wilder fan or anti-fan, but I'm inclined to say that Wilder probably has a good chin. So for me, the fight would come down the standard Wilder question: does the opponent have enough boxing ability to avoid the right for a prolonged period of time, and does he have enough power to hurt Wilder while doing so? On my card, Fury - the class of slickness at HW, even not at 100% - pulled it off. What Joshua lacks in slickess compare to Fury, could he make up with power and 'solve the equation'? I hope we find out at some point. The only wildcard for me is Joshua's nerves. I do think he gets discombobulated when he's in trouble. While he absolutely fought the right fight against Ruiz this time - he didn't put himself in a position where he could get in trouble, and Ruiz couldn't put him there - to beat Wilder he'd have to put himself in danger at some point.

He made him miss until he didnt. AJ wouldnt have recovered from the second shot that dropped Fury. No but AJ would punish him for what he did miss unlike Fury. Styles make fights and all that AJ couldn't outbox Wlad' like Fury but he still got that W.

You have to keep in mind, AJ has just as much of a chance of KO’ing Wilder. Fury isn’t knocking any of them out, AJ poses different problems for him. Wilder still has that huge punch, you can never count him out against anyone.

Wilder moves back in straight lines and throws the same predictable 1 2 all night that's why even the poor competitors win the rounds. That's why Fury was making him miss pretty much all night That right hand is just devestatimg and against the short guys he keeps his distance until it lands. Andy Ruiz gave AJ trouble because when he's hurt he throws a hundred punched all in a second, Wilder just shells up and tries to survive when he's hurt and isn't capable of throwing these combos. Wilder wins if he pressures AJ, if he waits AJ will get him and finish him. He made him miss until he didnt. AJ wouldnt have recovered from the second shot that dropped Fury.

AJ has two choices with Wilder: 1. Go for a decision and box him from the outside all night from the outside where wilder had a reach advantage and avoid that right hand which he will be at the tip where wilder gets full leverage. 2. Fight mid range and go for the knock out which leaves him open to a counter. Both strategies have considerable risk of getting KO'd. This aint a plodding fat t-rex armed Ruiz where all AJ has to do is focus for 12 and stick to a game plan. ANY game plan for Wilder carries a big risk of being knocked out.