I don’t get it. Unless you’re really new to the sport, you would know that Top Rank and PBC don’t really work together, yet Crawford renewed his contract with Top Rank instead of signing with a promoter that would give him access to a bigger talent pool.
I’m also looking at the last competitive welterweight fights that PBC and Top Rank has given us and by a long shot, PBC has given us really competitive welterweight fights:
Danny Garcia vs Thurman
Brook vs Spence
Porter vs Thurman
Danny Garcia vs Porter
Pacquiao vs Thurman
Spence vs Porter
When was the last time that Top Rank gave us a competitive welterweight fight? Clearly, PBC is where the best really fight the best. They might have some filler fights here and there, but for the most part, they beat Top Rank when it comes to welterweight showdowns. If you look at it from a logical perspective, Crawford seems to be the one hiding and calling himself the Pound for Pound “best” in the division when his resume might not even be better than a prime Berto....
This generation of boxing fans are OBSESSED with the words "scared" and "ducking"....They know the situation between Uncle Al and The Bobfather is complicated af but still choose to say that Crawford is being avoided by PBC fighters smh...He made his bed by resigning with TR and now he has to sleep in that mfer!! His fans should be mad at him for resigning!! But that’s the way this generation of boxing fans think...their favorite fighter can do no wrong in this imperfect world!! Smh
Look at the resumes of the top WW’s in PBC and compare them to Crawford. No way are they afraid of him and they are all fighting each other. Crawford stands no chance against Spence and might not even be able to beat Danny Garcia or Porter. He’s the weakest of all Welterweights. His name doesn’t hold any weight. He’s an HBO hype job that they oversold. Look what happened to Golovkin, now he’s getting slapped around. Same **** will happen to Crawford.
Rofl. Stop, you're embarrassing yourself.
You want to compare resumes? Crawford > Horn > Pacq > Thurman > Porter = Spence > Garcia. Sure, triangle theories are dumb, but prove me wrong. Weakest of WWs? That's why literally everyone except for you has him in Top3 P4P right? The whole world is stupid, but you, an obvious biased PBC shill, is a genius.
And LOL at Golovkin being a hypejob that got slapped around. Last I checked, that hypejob has a draw and razor thin, 1 round loss to Canelo, who is Top3 P4P and is almost a decade younger. As for getting slapped around, last I checked there were many parallels between Spence-Porter and G-Derevyanchenko. The difference between the two fights is that Golovkin went through 2 wars with Canelo and is almost 40, while Spence has been cruising along and is not even 30 yet.
I'm a big fan of Spence as a boxer and hate to "attack him", but useless, ultra-biased, garbage-spewing, wastes of space like yourself are the cancer of NSB.
problem is haymon likes to match those lucrative offers even if its bad business practice and blows all his money. he is so sensitive and emotional so he can't let them go.
Yeah I'm sure he will try to "Luis Ortiz" the situation if talks start to heat up but Kenny and Shawn might not feel like waiting when they can get the Crawford fight now and even more lucrative opportunities if Porter wins. I mean what can Haymon offer for big money? Errol Spence in 2021 or Danny Garcia a fighter he gains nothing from beating? At least with the Ortiz situation Haymon had Wilder to dangle and I bet Ortiz regrets the hell out of that decision right now. That's the difference with Kenny being there, he wont let someone hold his son's prosperity back just because they want to further their own agenda. He was already talking yesterday about being willing to accept calls from Arum. He isn't Angel Garcia.
I think its clear if the pbc welterweights wanted to fight crawford they would. Nothing prevents pbc fighters from fighting others outside pbc.
Andy Ruiz is a pbc fighter is is making millions fighting Joshua because he wanted to fight Joshua.
Wilder is a pbc fighter and fought Fury becuase they both wanted the fight.
Crawford has been vocal about fighting pbc guys. I think Danny Garcia even rejected an offer from Crawfords team. Shawn porter has repeatedly said he doesnt want to fight crawford in interviews. All Spence says when Crawford is brought up is that he has other fighters to fight on "his side of the street." So i believe these just a tip of the reasons people think pbc welterweights are ducking Crawford. Im sure theres a ton of other reasons people believe pbc fighters are ducking Bud.
The only thing we can hope is Kenny Porter doesn't give a **** what PBC wants if its at the expense of his son missing a great payday plus title shot and convinces Shawn to take the fight with Crawford.
problem is haymon likes to match those lucrative offers even if its bad business practice and blows all his money. he is so sensitive and emotional so he can't let them go.
Crawford's resume proves he doesn't fight the best opposition. The PBC welterweights fight better opposition. The Top Rank hype job recipe maker is in full work. Sign a **** fight, claim you want to fight the best(while proving the opposite with **** fights), and piggyback off their names in hopes the Top Rank dumbass fanboys buy into you supposedly wanting the all the smoke. Only a moron thinks PBC welterweights are ducking that overrated hype job.
Jeff Horn, peg legged Jose Benavidez, and washed up Amir Khan(who Crawford had to lowblow) is such a **** resume for a supposed top p4p fighter and welterweight. Crawford is also no draw. But dumbasses think he runs the division and calls shots. Bob Arum is already talking about cherry picking 140lbers moving up for Crawford lol. But he wants da best doe 🤥
hey he didn't have to, he wanted to
There won't be any split at all because PBC won't negotiate a fight where one of their fighters might lose to Crawford.
The only thing we can hope is Kenny Porter doesn't give a **** what PBC wants if its at the expense of his son missing a great payday plus title shot and convinces Shawn to take the fight with Crawford.
Probably because Tyson Fury already beat Wilder and it wasn’t even a close fight? Besides the two knockdowns, Wilder pretty much lost every round. Arum is probably confident Fury can pull it off again. The talent pool is much larger at Welterweight and if Crawford loses, who else will Arum have for that money division? He’s already talking about making guys at 140 move up to fight Crawford cuz he has no one at welterweight in his roster and he prefers to keep the money in house. Crawford will not be the A side against Spence, Danny Garcia, or Keith Thurman. He might be able to get Porter, but Crawford’s name doesn’t hold any weight to negotiate a fair split between PBC and Top Rank and Arum knows this.
There won't be any split at all because PBC won't negotiate a fight where one of their fighters might lose to Crawford.
When was the last time Haymon went out of his way to put one of his fighters against someone from Top Rank, Golden Boy, or Matchroom? Arum is already working with Haymon on Fury-Wilder. Why would he want to risk his biggest cash cow against the biggest puncher in the sport but not want to make Crawford vs. Spence?
Probably because Tyson Fury already beat Wilder and it wasn’t even a close fight? Besides the two knockdowns, Wilder pretty much lost every round. Arum is probably confident Fury can pull it off again. The talent pool is much larger at Welterweight and if Crawford loses, who else will Arum have for that money division? He’s already talking about making guys at 140 move up to fight Crawford cuz he has no one at welterweight in his roster and he prefers to keep the money in house. Crawford will not be the A side against Spence, Danny Garcia, or Keith Thurman. He might be able to get Porter, but Crawford’s name doesn’t hold any weight to negotiate a fair split between PBC and Top Rank and Arum knows this.
Because Arum won’t make the fight happen lol. Why even talk about a fight they know can’t happen? It’s been like this for years. Top Rank and PBC just don’t really work together. How hard is that to understand? It’s easy for Crawford to call out fighters he knows he can’t fight only to put up a bluff and fight someone C level fighter.
When was the last time Haymon went out of his way to put one of his fighters against someone from Top Rank, Golden Boy, or Matchroom? Arum is already working with Haymon on Fury-Wilder. Why would he want to risk his biggest cash cow against the biggest puncher in the sport but not want to make Crawford vs. Spence?
Because Arum won’t make the fight happen lol. Why even talk about a fight they know can’t happen? It’s been like this for years. Top Rank and PBC just don’t really work together. How hard is that to understand? It’s easy for Crawford to call out fighters he knows he can’t fight only to put up a bluff and fight someone C level fighter.
So youre blaming EVERYTHING on Arum. Thanks for the clarification. Why even make a thread if you already know your answer? Definitely a weird flex, but ok, kid
That's not a reason for a fighter to abandon his promoter. The blame lays with PBC for keeping all of their WWs away from Crawford.
And please don't give me "are they really afraid of a guy who's only beaten Jeff Horn". The world knows that Crawford is legitimate top WW. You can make an argument that maybe Spence or Pacquaio deserve to be on top, but to pretend that PBC doesn't want their guys fighting Crawford because "he only beat Jeff Horn" is laughable.
Crawford is in his prime, has the best claim to #1 WW and is unarguably Top3 P4P. On PBC side, they have drunk Spence coming off an accident and 41 year old Pacquaio. So yeah, they're ducking Bud in his prime, because if he embarrasses any of their top WWs, their stable becomes a laughing stock.
Look at the resumes of the top WW’s in PBC and compare them to Crawford. No way are they afraid of him and they are all fighting each other. Crawford stands no chance against Spence and might not even be able to beat Danny Garcia or Porter. He’s the weakest of all Welterweights. His name doesn’t hold any weight. He’s an HBO hype job that they oversold. Look what happened to Golovkin, now he’s getting slapped around. Same **** will happen to Crawford.
I think theyre ducking him because they refuse to fight him, mention his name, etc. Bud has a belt, why not beat him and give youreself better leverage in order to fight the other belt holders PBC has at WW?
Because Arum won’t make the fight happen lol. Why even talk about a fight they know can’t happen? It’s been like this for years. Top Rank and PBC just don’t really work together. How hard is that to understand? It’s easy for Crawford to call out fighters he knows he can’t fight only to put up a bluff and fight someone C level fighter.
My argument is that Crawford knows that it’s hard for Top Rank and PBC to work together. Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you should know this. Crawford knew that PBC had all the welterweights before signing with Arum. I’m really sure that PBC guys will fight him. Danny Garcia, Porter, Thurman, and Spence have all fought each other. You’re telling me they are going to be afraid of the guy who’s only beaten Jeff Horn in the division? Arum knows Crawford can’t pull numbers so against any of these guys, Crawford might not make Arum as much money since the promoters have to allocate the revenue based on popularity. Crawford might be able to reel in Porter, but Arum might not agree to a 55/45 split with Haymon.
That's not a reason for a fighter to abandon his promoter. The blame lays with PBC for keeping all of their WWs away from Crawford.
And please don't give me "are they really afraid of a guy who's only beaten Jeff Horn". The world knows that Crawford is legitimate top WW. You can make an argument that maybe Spence or Pacquaio deserve to be on top, but to pretend that PBC doesn't want their guys fighting Crawford because "he only beat Jeff Horn" is laughable.
Crawford is in his prime, has the best claim to #1 WW and is unarguably Top3 P4P. On PBC side, they have drunk Spence coming off an accident and 41 year old Pacquaio. So yeah, they're ducking Bud in his prime, because if he embarrasses any of their top WWs, their stable becomes a laughing stock.
I think theyre ducking him because they refuse to fight him, mention his name, etc. Bud has a belt, why not beat him and give youreself better leverage in order to fight the other belt holders PBC has at WW?
i also don't buy that bit about arum controlling 100% of who crawford fights
crawford has a choice to go after the best, but it seems like he's content where he is sitting back and waiting
He’s happy with what he’s making and is content defending his belt against the John Molinas, Jeff Horns, and past prime Amir Khans of the world. He does this and calls himself pound for pound the best, all while laughing at the stupid fans that believe it.
So your argument is that Crawford should leave his longtime promoter that built him up because PBC guys wont fight him?
Stop buying into boxing politics and demand meaningful fights regardless of whatever wanna-be monopoly a promoter wants to institute.
My argument is that Crawford knows that it’s hard for Top Rank and PBC to work together. Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you should know this. Crawford knew that PBC had all the welterweights before signing with Arum. I’m really sure that PBC guys will fight him. Danny Garcia, Porter, Thurman, and Spence have all fought each other. You’re telling me they are going to be afraid of the guy who’s only beaten Jeff Horn in the division? Arum knows Crawford can’t pull numbers so against any of these guys, Crawford might not make Arum as much money since the promoters have to allocate the revenue based on popularity. Crawford might be able to reel in Porter, but Arum might not agree to a 55/45 split with Haymon.
i also don't buy that bit about arum controlling 100% of who crawford fights
crawford has a choice to go after the best, but it seems like he's content where he is sitting back and waiting
imo
crawford will never be considered an ATG, by not fighting anyone in the top 5
everyone else has
i can't even put in him in the top 5 PFP list with his lack of quality activity
Errol "Easy Fight Promotions" Spence
Keith "MIA in Asia" Thurman
Danny "3mil plus upside isn't more than my PBC 1.5-2mil" Garcia
Ugas - "I can fight a WBA eliminator vs another TR fighter but not Crawford
Shawn "All talk via my Daddy" Porter
I say he blows anyone of them out by the 2nd half of the fight once he figures them out.
Skill recognizes skill! They know exactly what Crawford is.