Why Ellerbee Was Right On Wilder

So, $100m turns to $20m, Wilder jeopardizes his relationship with Showtime, DAZN gooses one US event to market without Canelo, and they get to walk away free without having to deliver Joshua (which likely ends up being something they couldn't deliver to begin with) Short money over long He made that 20M (or close to it) anyway. And he just pocketed another 20M. Look, I will ask again. I need all these posters talking about they don't believe Wilder is getting what to show me why we should disbelieve those reports while believing what Canelo "reportedly" got or what Fury "reportedly" got or what AJ "reportedly" got. How is it different? And while you're at it, show me the viewership numbers from ESPN for Fury's fight with Wallin, show me the viewership numbers for Canelo's fight with Kovalev, show me the DAZN numbers for AJ vs Ruiz. They are all being paid enormous sums for very ordinary numbers but the only time you are worried about fights losing money is with Wilder? Where they do that at?

Excuses, excuses, excuses ... The fact is that Wilder was screaming and crying all over the place about wanting to unify with AJ. And when he was offered the chance to do it for fantastic money .. he turned it down. I remember those cries on social media by Wilder, looking back now, he never wanted that fight 😂 he practically played us all. He must have turned down like 5 offered from Matchroom to fight Joshua and Whyte. Now he is guaranteed 3m for Ortiz 2 with the PPV been reported low, and he earned way less in the breazeale fight compared to the 20m he would have earned guaranteed with DAZN...He got paid in loyalty for the Breazeale fight SMH... With the Ortiz 2 PPV he has 3m guaranteed money, that alone is disgraceful!!! A fighter of his stature should be guaranteed minimum 20-25m, but but but wait for the Haymon side 20m that only he does and no other promoter does.. These guys are clowns

Excuses, excuses, excuses ... The fact is that Wilder was screaming and crying all over the place about wanting to unify with AJ. And when he was offered the chance to do it for fantastic money .. he turned it down. Short money should rightfully be pissed on, regardless of how "fantastic" tbh. Wilder and his camp we're ready and willing to travel to the UK for a 60/40 Joshua share on the event, but Hearn refused. Wilder and his camp then seemingly were still going to take the fight for a lump fee basically worth 40% of the take on Joshua-Klitchko (if the public info is anywhere near accurate, that'd be $18m-$20m), and that was balked at too. Hearn offered $12.5m for Wilder to come to the UK, the offer got up to $15m to come to the UK, Wilder then offered $50m for Joshua to come to the US, which Joshua backed out on. In less than 16 months, Wilder's value to Hearn went from $12m to $40m, and it'll likely be out of Hearn's in another 12 months completely. All because Matchroom Sport refused to put up the $18m-$20m package to host Deontay Wilder at Wembley, for the undisputed heavyweight championship (likely on Sky Box Office and CBS in the US). Crazy how history would've changed lol

a contract is legally binding. this is not some haymon behind the scenes here is some money deal. joshua is making more money after losing to ruiz so your whole point doesn't make any sense. the fights would still happen no matter what. just like the stupid ortiz rematch happened when no one wanted it. promises were made and big losses were had to satisfy the fighters. there is no need for hypotheticals. the money was there and he didn't go for it out of loyalty. he even said this. he also said he's gambling on himself. well given his purses his gamble didn't pan out. wilder will not make 60 million in his next fight.What if I told you that I don't give a **** what they make as long as they give us fans the fights that we want to see. That ***** Joshua wouldn't fight Wilder so Wilder went and fought everyone else who is relevant. Meanwhile the spoiled stiff conceited ***** is fighting to save his coddled boxing career. **** outta here with your convoluted idiocy.

Just keep on fighting Wilder. The boxing public loves you. You don't have to sell as long as everyone sees you. Just fight the fights that matter. Don't argue about where fights are, who is the draw etc etc. Just keep fighting... You've earned your respect with everyone except Joshua fans. Now they've resorted to backing Whyte, lmao!!!

The DAZN deal Wilder turned down was actually one of two options: 3 fights for 100 million or 4 fights for 120 million. Two of the fights were supposed to be versus AJ for 40 million dollars each. The 3 fight deal included another 20 million for a Breazeale fight, while the 4 fight deal included the Breazeale fight and another 20 million dollar fight against an opponent of Wilder's choosing. Note that DAZN didn't have a contract with AJ's signature on it and that AJ isn't signed to DAZN. AJ is signed to Matchroom and SkySports, and the contract Wilder was to sign didn't mention SkySports or any other revenue streams. So let's look at what happened... Joshua got knocked out. Does anyone think Wilder would have earned that first 40 million by now? Or, is it more likely he'd be either without a fight (in the case of the three fight deal) or fighting the other optional 20 million dollar fight in the 4 fight deal? Well, Deontay made 20 million vs Breazeale anyway. And, he just made another 20 million against Ortiz. It's 20 million more in his pocket in 2019 than if he'd signed the 3 fight deal and the same money if he'd signed the 4 fight deal since DAZN likely has him wait for the Ruiz-AJ rematch. I guess we will know if he lost money if he fails to make 40 million each of his next two fights. Or, if Ruiz wins the rematch, I am not sure that 40 million for two fights would still be on the table. But for our purposes here, let's call that irrelevant for 2019 since we can agree no 40 million would be made this year. So, right now, Wilder is in better position than he would have been if he had signed. He has made the same money or more. And he did it while remaining a free agent. Below is the article verifying what Wilder has made his last 2 fights. https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2019/11/21/deontay-wilder-vs-luis-ortiz-2-purses-heres-how-much-the-bronze-bomber-and-king-kong-will-make/#5ece76d31e60 They burned the bridges with Wilder so he went out and did it on his own. Those who say that Wilder ducked Joshua are Joshua Homers because no boxing fan with common sense would believe such utter garbage, lmao.

Hearns shoulda just offered that one fight vs Joshua and not tried to tie him down with extra fights. Imo Hearns did offer Wilders one fight with Joshuas and Wilders said no.

So, $100m turns to $20m, Wilder jeopardizes his relationship with Showtime, DAZN gooses one US event to market without Canelo, and they get to walk away free without having to deliver Joshua (which likely ends up being something they couldn't deliver to begin with) Short money over long Excuses, excuses, excuses ... The fact is that Wilder was screaming and crying all over the place about wanting to unify with AJ. And when he was offered the chance to do it for fantastic money .. he turned it down.

a contract is legally binding. this is not some haymon behind the scenes here is some money deal. joshua is making more money after losing to ruiz so your whole point doesn't make any sense. the fights would still happen no matter what. just like the stupid ortiz rematch happened when no one wanted it. promises were made and big losses were had to satisfy the fighters. there is no need for hypotheticals. the money was there and he didn't go for it out of loyalty. he even said this. he also said he's gambling on himself. well given his purses his gamble didn't pan out. wilder will not make 60 million in his next fight. Joshua is making more money on the rematch because Mohammed bin Salman was willing to spend something approaching $40m to host the fight (I don't know the gate numbers offhand, but wouldn't shock me if that was 5 or 6 times what the fight drew at MSG). Honesty is a beautiful thing. Making $60m in the third fight (with the Ortiz numbers still coming in, I doubt he's earned $40m on those two fights anyway) isn't the point. If the Fury rematch does what folks are starting to hype it to do (Arum, after doing jack **** to elevate Fury, somehow sees the event going from the assumed 350k that the first fight did, to 2 million, lol), Wilder may end up $30m short of the DAZN offer, but he'd also end up as a now established PPV attraction, 11 title defenses into his run, with a Joshua series of fights (2-3 fights) (assuming he beats Ruiz in the rematch) still to play out. Timing is whatever, but if the Joshua series can't start immediately (all things being sane, if Joshua wins the rematch, Pulev would fight Joshua in March/April 2020 for the IBF, face Usyk summer 2020, and eye the full unification to close out 2020), you still have a really good fight in Wilder-Kownacki from Barclays Center to go with for Summer 2020, before closing the year with Dillian Shyte if he gets cleared. 14 title defenses in, 5 years+ as champion, and the stories for the PPV audience will write themselves if whomever has the other belts keeps not wanting to fight Wilder

If he'd accepted the offer and AJ had then lost, Wilder would have earned twice as much for fighting Breazeale on DAZN then he ended up getting for the same fight on Showtime, and then been free to fight whoever he wanted, wherever he wanted, after that. So, $100m turns to $20m, Wilder jeopardizes his relationship with Showtime, DAZN gooses one US event to market without Canelo, and they get to walk away free without having to deliver Joshua (which likely ends up being something they couldn't deliver to begin with) Short money over long

They didn't know Joshua it would lose so it does not matter. Nobody thought Ruiz would win and him losing to Joshua was a forgone conclusion to everybody including Haymon and Co. They wouldn't let Wilder fight on rival platform. That's all there's to it. That was the only reason Wilder didn't sign. No he made 40 million for Breazeale and Ortiz so unless he's making 60 million for his next fight Wilder made a bad business and likely will never have the opportunity to make that much money ever again. It's still interesting that DAZN still doesn't have a formal contract with Anthony Joshua, tbh. And, as the offer was presented to the public, there doesn't seem to be anything there that would've prevented a Saudi Arabia situation for Wilder-Joshua either (in the sense that Wilder gets his fronted salary, Hearn finds some money mark willing to pay double what the fight could've earned anywhere, and Hearn keeps that extra money for himself). We'll get a gauge of what the numbers look like soon, but the PPV audience is finally taking note of Deontay Wilder, especially in these last 4 fights (the Ortiz comeback, the "leave Fury for dead" fight, the Breazeale obliteration, and the "one punch man" obliteration of Ortiz in the rematch). He does his job in the Fury rematch, he's basically on the money. A million homes at $75, leaves a pay pot of $35m-$40m, plus the live event money, plus the UK TV money, plus the rest of the international TV money. Wilder-TBA being worth $50m+ changes the conversation in a major way; largely due to Wilder and his camp passing on the $100m for three fights, likely making $50m-$60m for the three fights instead (Breazeale, Ortiz 2, Fury 2), but drastically raising the value of his events going beyond those fights. And that is even more significant going forward due to Joshua not being under contract; if Joshua's management can see that there are X amount of dollars available for the fight on PPV, and DAZN is only willing to front Y dollars, there's no incentive for them to keep keeping money out of Joshua's pocket, regardless of what Hearn's side deal gets him.

He got 20 million for Breazeale. He got 20 million for Ortiz 2. I don't think those two facts are much in dispute. Whether the ppv did well is actually a separate issue since his money was/is guaranteed. I think it's clear the platforms airing Wilder's fights are fine with what is happening right now and are in for the duration. There are examples of this kind of thing all the time. Plenty of fights have lost money because promotional outfits have swallowed short term losses in exchange for long term gains. DAZN is doing it right now with Canelo. ESPN is doing it right now with Fury. Funny, but I don't recall many of you in these forums questioning what those men "reportedly" made or wondering much about the successful viewership on those platforms each of those fights. Interesting...

You didn't answer my question. Why would Showtime pay Wilder $20 million for a fight that is essentially equivalent to a Charlo-Adams fight? Why would they pay for Wilder/Breazeale and not Wilder/Ortiz 2? That’s the real question here.

Actually, what Wilder made for Breazeale was readily available then. You had some reports saying only 10 million, some saying 18 million. But most folks reported him making the same money DAZN offered. Between what Showtime paid and what Haymon put in, Wilder made 20 million, as was reported by the Forbes article in the OP. More documentation to that effect follows: ..... You didn't answer my question. Why would Showtime pay Wilder $20 million for a fight that is essentially equivalent to a Charlo-Adams fight?

Dude, that's Forbes, one of the foremost financial publications in the world. They don't get stuff like that wrong. Correct. That's why they use the phrase "he was reported to have earned...". Or they quote Dan Rafael. If they knew what he earned they would state "Wilder earned...". They're reporting what others have reported. That's no more reliable than the original report. Forbes are being very careful in what they're saying.

Only time would tell, since he turned down the guaranteed 100M he has had two fights, since we are now talking about money then we know he earned way less against breazeale on showtime instead of the 20M he was offered on DAZN. We know showtime then pulled out of the rematch with Ortiz because they didn't think it was financially rewarding for them to pick up that fight, with the fight going to FOX and both boxers guarantees totalling 4.5m, let's see how their PPV does. Its on FOX which i believe is more viewed than showtime in america. If the fight sells well, then he would be vindicated for "Betting on himself" but it doesn't then he must be the dumbest boxer in the history of the sport for turning down guaranteed 100M for less than 30M over THREE fights.

No it doesn't verify what he made. It reports on other reports that didn't verify what he made. When they say "he made a reported..." they've got no facts. They're just reporting what someone else claimed. Dude, that's Forbes, one of the foremost financial publications in the world. They don't get stuff like that wrong.

Below is the article verifying what Wilder has made his last 2 fights. https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2019/11/21/deontay-wilder-vs-luis-ortiz-2-purses-heres-how-much-the-bronze-bomber-and-king-kong-will-make/#5ece76d31e60 No it doesn't verify what he made. It reports on other reports that didn't verify what he made. When they say "he made a reported..." they've got no facts. They're just reporting what someone else claimed.

Wilder made $20 mil in the non PPV Breazeale fight? But why? Is Showtime a charitable institution now? Actually, what Wilder made for Breazeale was readily available then. You had some reports saying only 10 million, some saying 18 million. But most folks reported him making the same money DAZN offered. Between what Showtime paid and what Haymon put in, Wilder made 20 million, as was reported by the Forbes article in the OP. More documentation to that effect follows: 2. Don't read into the ratings. Popularity is often judged through the lens of ratings, and Showtime ponied up a lot of money—Wilder was reportedly paid $20 million, through Showtime and his advisor, Al Haymon, who doubles as the head of Premiere Boxing Champions—to keep Wilder on premium TV. https://www.si.com/boxing/2019/05/20/deontay-wilder-anthony-joshua-dazn-showtime-fight-rumors Finkel told ESPN they are discussing a three-fight deal with Showtime. While he declined to give the value, he said Wilder would "make as much or more than he would have made under the DAZN deal" and that is without a fight against Joshua. Finkel also said that if the Showtime deal is finalized it wouldn't prevent a Joshua fight or Fury rematch on other platforms. https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/26309497/wilder-sticks-show-breazeale-fight Showtime Sports President Stephen Espinoza, whose network has been quiet since late December when PBC relaunched its new deal with Fox, said Wilder’s loyalty to Showtime was the “tiebreaker” between offers that were “in the same ballpark.” https://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la-sp-deontay-wilder-anthony-joshua-20190320-story.html Wilder sold this night—for which he made a reported $20 million for 137 seconds of work—and sold it hard. Sold the incident between him and Breazeale in 2017 at a hotel in Alabama. Sold their confrontation, the bad blood, the pain he intended to inflict. He said in a press conference this week that he wanted to kill Breazeale and get paid for that at the same time. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/boxing/deontay-wilders-easy-knockout-of-dominic-breazeale-underscores-boxings-relevancy-issues/ar-AABzOGG?li=BBnbfcL&fdhead=HPOLYSTRATF%3Focid%3Dfbmsn Hope this helps...probably won't.

Wilder made $20 mil in the non PPV Breazeale fight? But why? Is Showtime a charitable institution now?