I've suspected for a while that a big PPV between Bud and Manny was brewing, but with recent events I now believe it is LIKELY if not already signed.
- TC will announce the fight after beating Mean Machine on Dec 14. He has alluded to a big announcement coming.
- Mikey and Danny have been told they are not getting the Manny fight and have made other plans
- Great opportunity for PBC & Top Rank to promote their most popular fighters (sorry Errol) during the Fury/Wilder fight in Feb.
- TC/Arum know that they are in a tough spot with regards to getting big fights, so they should be willing to give Manny the split he needs to make big $. TC has been making $5M his last couple fights, which shouldn't be a problem with even a small slice of the PPV.
- This fight will draw a minimum of 1 million PPV buys and may get up to 2 million. Manny would get $20-30 million.
- TC/Top Rank are likely very confident that they can beat Manny. TC needs the WBA belt to set up another huge payday with Spence.
- This allows Spence to get a couple of tune-ups to recover from the crash before putting together the Crawford fight.
- Manny/Arum know each other well and can pull this off.
- This perfectly sets up a potential huge event in Spence/Crawford. And if Manny pulls an upset, that's an even better story. Even if Manny loses, he can always work to get another big payday with Floyd.
You’re an idiot. Crawford resigned with Top Rank knowing that every other relevant welter was with PBC. Now dummys like you wanna bytch because they won’t fight him. Moronic
Top Rank and Crawford fought Amir Khan who is NOT Top Rank fighter. Top Rank offered Danny Garcia a career high payday and leverage for any fight he might've wanted afterward.
So Crawford and Top Rank are willing to fight outside Top Rank and do joint fights, but PBC continues to only do in-house fights. That's fine so long as the fights are good, but none of their fights have been better than facing Crawford who is #1 PFP.
The real problem is people like you who are so biased you have to make things up to deflect responsibility.
PBC is bad for boxing. Boxing has 6 champions per weight class now which doesnt mean anything because you cant have 6 "best" fighters at any weight. Similarly it's irrelevant if every company only fights in-house (Fox/PBC, TR/ESPN, DAZN/Matchroom, and Showtime who typically only hosts PBC but hasn't had a meaningful fight on their network in all of 2019)
This is the worst I've seen the sport in my lifetime. Still some great fighters, but the politics of it all is watering down contests and champions
But Crawford/Garcia won’t even come close to the numbers that a proven PPV star (Pac) vs an undefeated champion (Thurman at the time) did.
Either way, that would have still been Garcia’s biggest payday up to date. That offer was good and I don’t see any reason Garcia wouldn't take that offer unless he knows what’s up in taking on Crawford
Oh yeah, I forgot about PPV shares. I was looking up the plain guarantee pays. But what if a Crawford-Garcia sells? It’s not perceived as a mismatch anyway like a Crawford-Khan was. And Danny also has a name
But Crawford/Garcia won’t even come close to the numbers that a proven PPV star (Pac) vs an undefeated champion (Thurman at the time) did.
You’re saying D Garcia would have made more $ to fight Crawford than Thurman made fighting PAC? That might fit your agenda but simply not true.
Oh yeah, I forgot about PPV shares. I was looking up the plain guarantee pays. But what if a Crawford-Garcia sells? It’s not perceived as a mismatch anyway like a Crawford-Khan was. And Danny also has a name
Bob hasn't been promoting TC fight, I wonder if Bud is jumping ship, cause no promo at all for a top p4p fighter thats entertaining and decent character
Danny would have gotten alot more than what Keith had gotten against Pacquiao had he chosen to take that offer to fight Crawford. Heck, that offer might even be bigger than what might get against Pacquiao (Ironically). But yeah, he don’t want that work. Danny is in for only low risk opponents even low reward doesn’t matter
You’re saying D Garcia would have made more $ to fight Crawford than Thurman made fighting PAC? That might fit your agenda but simply not true.
The problem is none of them will fight him.
Spence wont fight Crawford.
Porter wont fight Crawford.
Thurman wont fight Crawford.
Danny wont fight Crawford.
Terrence cant hold a gun to peoples head and make them fight. Really a shame a guy with his much talent is being boxed out, but the BIGGER SHAME are fans. Fans who defend PBC guys for ducking Terrence Crawford. Blows my mind.
You’re an idiot. Crawford resigned with Top Rank knowing that every other relevant welter was with PBC. Now dummys like you wanna bytch because they won’t fight him. Moronic
Crawford and Arum offered Danny Garcia the PPV fight this past April.
At THAT TIME Danny was whining about wanting rematches with Porter and Thurman, but both weren't interested.
At THAT time Terrence was #1 PFP.
Terrence and Arum offered Danny Garcia $4 million + PPV for the April 20 Madison Square Garden fight. And that wouldve been a CAREER HIGH PAYDAY for Danny.
Taking that fight and winning gives him:
- career high payday
- leverage in Thurman/Porter rematch negotiations
Danny Garcia passed up on the fight and fought Adrian Garnados for $1M flat on regular cable. And no fan or other fighter consider him worthy of a Thurman or Porter rematch for beating marginally regarded JWW Granados at WW....
Danny would have gotten alot more than what Keith had gotten against Pacquiao had he chosen to take that offer to fight Crawford. Heck, that offer might even be bigger than what might get against Pacquiao (Ironically). But yeah, he don’t want that work. Danny is in for only low risk opponents even low reward doesn’t matter
The matchup is what brings the numbers, Manny will do more vs TC than either Garcia, the real difference is the brains behind Manny see TC and Spence as likely to stop Manny or beat him up badly .
If Manny wants to fight losers the best fight is Porter but that is harder than either Garica so Porter will be by passed as well.
Manny will fight Danny Garcia or Mikey.
Excellent insight and very likely correct.
Danny Garcia is the best opponent because of how limited he is.
Manny is closer to Mikeys size and can do more than Danny can so the pick is likely Danny Garcia
what a dumb post... so crawford sent all those fighters a contract and they all denied it?????? i can sit here and say crawford doesnt wanna fight spence, danny, thurman, etc. you know damm well why these type of fights aint happen yet. one fighter is being promoted by top rank while the others is under PBC.
Crawford and Arum offered Danny Garcia the PPV fight this past April.
At THAT TIME Danny was whining about wanting rematches with Porter and Thurman, but both weren't interested.
At THAT time Terrence was #1 PFP.
Terrence and Arum offered Danny Garcia $4 million + PPV for the April 20 Madison Square Garden fight. And that wouldve been a CAREER HIGH PAYDAY for Danny.
Taking that fight and winning gives him:
- career high payday
- leverage in Thurman/Porter rematch negotiations
Danny Garcia passed up on the fight and fought Adrian Garnados for $1M flat on regular cable. And no fan or other fighter consider him worthy of a Thurman or Porter rematch for beating marginally regarded JWW Granados at WW....
Pac did about 800K buys with PAC Bradley 2 and then he did the 4.6M with Mayweather.
Yes. But if you took the time to read my entire comment, you would’ve read that I did recognize and acknowledged the May vs Pac 4.6 mil. You need to understand however, that fight should have a footnote next to it. May vs Pac was not your typical fight. The 4.6 mil buys was extremely rare and was not typical for a PPV event. The fight has massive casual build up around it and people were asking for that fight for about 5 years. That fight does not reflect a typical Pacquiao PPV.
Bradley vs Pac II had significance to it because Bradley got the decision the first time around, and it still failed to break 1 mil. 800K does not equal 1 mil.
A hypothetical Crawford vs Pac will probably do 500K - 600K. I seriously doubt it touches 800K. Pac would need to do some weird Mayweather type of event to break 1 mil. You need to understand. 1 mil PPV is very successful and is hard to accomplish.
I can’t see this version of Manny beating a prime Crawford. In fact I see Crawford putting on a clinic of this fight happens. I like Manny and at this point in his career I hope he takes a couple easier fights and retires.
I hope that tc and arum are ready now to fight an old senator, past his prime and a part time boxer pac....
Thing is when has Manny said he wants Crawford next never, cannot happen when Manny doesnt want it.
Wouldn’t this fight had happened before Manny was with PBC? I doubt it happens now. And lol at this doing 1 mil. Please. The only time Manny was doing 1 mil PPV consistently when when he was running through welterweights from 08 - 12. He hasn’t had a 1 mil PPV since Márquez IV in 2012. I don’t count the May - Pac numbers because that was a statistical rarity where 2 household names came together.
But for his last like, 5 PPVs he’s been doing 300K - 500K numbers. How would Crawford make it any more?
I think a Pac-Crawford fight will make buys slightly better than Pac-Thurman. The old man raised up his profile a little bit after that Thurman win. Even though Crawford is a relatively unknown household name, many will start to recognize him during the build-up of a Pac fight and people will realize how dangerous this fight will be for Pac making them intruiged to buy this fight
Getting 1M buys is far off but getting somewhere north of 500 buys is likely possible
2M PPV buys? Lmao.
Crawford can’t even pull in 200K buys. Manny can’t carry them to 1M all by himself anymore, he can do half the work.
The matchup is what brings the numbers, Manny will do more vs TC than either Garcia, the real difference is the brains behind Manny see TC and Spence as likely to stop Manny or beat him up badly .
If Manny wants to fight losers the best fight is Porter but that is harder than either Garica so Porter will be by passed as well.
Manny will fight Danny Garcia or Mikey.
Why now all of a sudden when this fight could have been made a long time ago if both sides wanted it? I think Crawford wants the fight but Roach will talk Pacquiao out of it. It would be a good fight if it happens but I think Crawford is too good for the old Pacquiao.
Ding ding ding
Wouldn’t this fight had happened before Manny was with PBC? I doubt it happens now. And lol at this doing 1 mil. Please. The only time Manny was doing 1 mil PPV consistently when when he was running through welterweights from 08 - 12. He hasn’t had a 1 mil PPV since Márquez IV in 2012. I don’t count the May - Pac numbers because that was a statistical rarity where 2 household names came together.
But for his last like, 5 PPVs he’s been doing 300K - 500K numbers. How would Crawford make it any more?
lol casuals don't know who Crawford is and Arum knows it, all his PPVs have been disasters and he has no personality. An ageing Pacquiao isn't gonna draw big PPV numbers alone, he needs a popular opponent and Crawford is far from it.
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