Could Eddie Futch or Emanuel Stewart make Wilder more technically sound?

How is corner work overated ,its the key point of being successful as a fighter and with a guy like wilder its just simple instructions, we know he lost the Fury fight maybe not if Steward was in there. ? Ha Anyone who knows boxing would know a guy like steward would fix many things on wilder he was a master at reforming guys like Wlad and Lewis . You cant be serious if you are saying Steward couldn't fix Wilders mistakes wheather its one or multiple ones. from the corner? absolutely not. again, cornerwork guides a fighter from round to round. it doesn't teach him how to throw a left hook without winging it from left field, or telegraph his right hand. read my other posts, the idea that he could improve over several fights with a better trainer than mark breland is covered. cornerwork is just overrated and given too much attention. it's a storyline that developed when microphones and later HD cameras were able to give you a glimpse into the drama and the interaction that takes place in between rounds. yes, it matters, but it's not going to take the wildest HW champion we have ever seen and turn him into lennox lewis. the key point of being successful? yeah right! only time that is the case is when a fighter is horribly cut. good cornerwork can save a fight then. and that's the cutman! that is the only time anybody coming out of the corner is the most important man in the ring!

There's a saying that if you spend your time working on your weaknesses then the best you can hope for is to become average. Whereas working on your strengths can make you exceptional. I'm not sure there's ever been a better example of that than Wilder. Could you create a better version of Wilder? He's pretty close to perfect for what he is. Fights the way he can win. But I still think an exceptional puncher loses to a very good boxer/puncher 8 times out of 10.

Hmm, the Breland thing is what puzzles me. Breland was very technically sound, disciplined, a technician - technically a true boxer-puncher, but he seems to have difficulty imparting these attributes to Wilder. I wonder if it is deliberate - ie. keep Wilder an unorthodox 'puncher'...just am curious to know the rational. Wilder's so athletically talented that I'm sure they could have (still could) hot-housed him so he'd be much better technically than he is. Or is Wilder happy where he is and not keen to learn more than just having the ability to ;land / set up his power. Wilder, in 15 years of throwing hands, went from being an utter novice to having one of the best lead hands in the heavyweight division, and delivering that right hand in it's purest form. All you have to do is look at the right hand that put out Kelvin Price in 2012, and compare it to the right hand that put out Luis Ortiz. Wilder's still a work in progress, but he's co-ordinated with his feet, has a great grasp of the range he wants to control, has a really good jab, is starting to use that left hook more, is starting to get confidence in that uppercut, and he's processing quickly when he has opportunities to land that open up. It's a long process, but don't let that death touch of a straight right deceive you

How is corner work overated ,its the key point of being successful as a fighter and with a guy like wilder its just simple instructions, we know he lost the Fury fight maybe not if Steward was in there. ? Ha Anyone who knows boxing would know a guy like steward would fix many things on wilder he was a master at reforming guys like Wlad and Lewis . You cant be serious if you are saying Steward couldn't fix Wilders mistakes wheather its one or multiple ones. Lewis and Wladimir had extensive amateur careers; Wilder walked into a gym at 20 years of age wanting to box. When have you ever heard of Emmanuel Steward, working with a guy without any real experience, and developing said fighter?

Yes and no Or is Wilder just this kind of fighter. Wilder has been throwing hands, amateur or professional, for basically 15 years at this point. Context purposes, if he started at 10 years old, he'd be 25 (pretty much where Tank Davis is now). Still, Wilder is what he is, and linking up with Mark Breland was basically perfect for Wilder (namely because Breland and Wilder's styles are basically the same, to the point that, in looking at Breland's career, you can basically see what Wilder is likely to look like when he maxes out). If you give Emmanuel Steward Deontay Wilder as a 15 year old, maybe you end up with something special. Doubt that the result is the same if either gets Wilder as a 20 year old novice

Or is Wilder just this kind of fighter. - -No fix for stupid...

Steward would do the same job on Wilder as he did on Hamed. Fighters have to play to their strengths and be themselves. Changing it will only take their strength away.

Hmm, the Breland thing is what puzzles me. Breland was very technically sound, disciplined, a technician - technically a true boxer-puncher, but he seems to have difficulty imparting these attributes to Wilder. I wonder if it is deliberate - ie. keep Wilder an unorthodox 'puncher'...just am curious to know the rational. Wilder's so athletically talented that I'm sure they could have (still could) hot-housed him so he'd be much better technically than he is. Or is Wilder happy where he is and not keen to learn more than just having the ability to ;land / set up his power.

Or is Wilder just this kind of fighter.Well, if Mark Breland can teach him how to throw that right hand then I don't see no reason why the other trainers Steward and Futch couldn't develop him into being a more complete and well-rounded fighter.

Or is Wilder just this kind of fighter.Well, if Mark Breland can teach him how to throw that right hand then I don't see no reason why the others trainers Steward and Futch couldn't help but to develop him into being a more complete and well-rounded fighter.

I think the thread is actually saying would Steward be able to produce a better Wilder from the beginning but it would nt matter he would be able to get a better game plan at any time for even one fight. Did you forget Holyfield defeated Bowe just once with Steward in his corner ? Steward is one of the great trainers of all time and that came with a loud voice of instructions, not whispering like Breland brings. corner work is incredibly overrated. makes for a nice story but the fighter's instincts are what matters, and you create those in the gym. would one of the best trainers ever produce a better fighter than one who has very little track record for producing great HW? do you really need to ask or think that's worth a thread? i don't think that's what the TS wanted to know. he wanted to know if someone could "fix" wilder, and the answer at this age is a resounding no. took wladimir years and years to fix wladimir kltischko, who had a legit amateur background and was just a more coordinated athlete and more measured puncher by his nature.

Absolutely! Futch of course trained like 4 of the 5 guys who beat Ali...now of course Holmes and Berbick beat a OLD Washed Up Ali but he also Trained Norton and Frazier who beat a more PRIME Ali so yeah Futch would've done a great job with Wilder Of course we know what Manny Steward would do with him. EVERYBODY out of Kronk had a EXCELLENT JAB, one of Wilder Current Trainers Mark Breland is out of Kronk and many believe had one of the greatest jabs ever. So yeah Steward would've LOVED to work with Wilder I'm sure with that size and Length I think Wilder did BETTER at being more PATIENT and Less Wild on Saturday despite losing most of those Rounds until the Knockout. I think that style of Wilder is more Dangerous actually. So despite the CRITICS I do think he should continue to fight that way. Maybe throw more Jabs to the Body and mix things up more.

Steward could transform any heavyweight better if they had Lewis type dimensions . The challenge would be would Wilder listen to him ,he runs his camp not his trainers and it isn't supposed to be like that at all and wilder is what you would call a hard listener . Ha Lennox Lewis disagrees

I doubt it..kinda hard for dead people to train anyone

Nope.. too tall and lanky, started boxing too late at 19 years old.

Steward could transform any heavyweight better if they had Lewis type dimensions . The challenge would be would Wilder listen to him ,he runs his camp not his trainers and it isn't supposed to be like that at all and wilder is what you would call a hard listener . Ha he's 34 years old man. you're not going to change much. he's only going to take a few more major fights. maybe a tune up or a mandatory here and there, but expect a rematch with fury, a fight with joshua, maybe a fight with ruiz, and if he loses you'll get a "comeback trail." way less than 10 fights, not nearly enough to make huge changes in a 34 year old fighter.

Might discipline his style a bit, but nothing makes him happy than a KO. If he wins a unaminous decision it’s meh fight for him

i'm sure they could tighten him up a bit, but he 100% won't be turning into pernell whitaker or even jermain taylor. especially when he's got a guy hurt, or when he's hurt or tired himself, he will revert to what he knows. even those guys wouldn't be able to convince wilder that he needs to change until he was on his back and knocked out. he has too much confidence in his power. he's got 41 knockouts and he stopped every opponent he's faced. and even then, once you convince him he needs to change, it will be hard task turning a guy that big and lanky into a pure boxer in his mid 30's. without a doubt he's hit his peak and we know the only reason he got this far. the man has freakish, once in a generation power, and he's 6.5 feet tall.