So What Is The PPV Tracking Estimate For Wilder/Ortiz 2?

It appears to have not done well, whatever that even means, due to no reporters having the slightest idea of the numbers. Saying that, this was kind of a burner of an event anyway. After Joshua lost, I think Haymon would have rather had Wilder sit or fight someone easy and then go strait to Fury or Joshua-Ruiz winner, but they had an obligation to Ortiz after Haymon convinced him not to fight Joshua. They likely expected Wilder-Ortiz II to lose money and didn't care, because the next fight is likely going to do gangbusters on PPV.

Not hating but isn’t this tracking at less than 100k buys? No credible reporter has given any number yet.

Considering they were giving away a TON of tickets... not surprised PPV flopped... Are you sure PPV flopped? ESPN says greater than 300,000 and PBC says more than a million. Both numbers mean the fight at least broke even and perhaps generated a good profit. However, trying to get a definitive number is currently not possible.

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8 days and counting. No numbers at all. That means it was so low that it's embarrassing. I'm sure the people at Showtime were like "whew, glad we didn't take the hit on that BS" hahahah Bro, come on, they can always come up with something like it did 300K or more. Real question will then be would you believe it? Like they always say, it lies in the eye of the beholder.

Bro, anyone can create a youtube channel, as another example. Unless it's something about cute puppies, kittens, horses, etc., you can never get 1,000 people to subscribe to your channel for less than a year or something. And subscribing to a channel is just one click of a button. I have a Youtube channel with recorded digital painting videos. Been there for 3 years and I only got 123 subscribers.

Considering they were giving away a TON of tickets... not surprised PPV flopped...

Exactly. Fans need to band together and demand sources, evidences how they come up with grossly exaggerated numbers. Funny part is fanboys can't even accept anything below 200K. Same fanboys who never bought PPVs in their lives.

Not hating but isn’t this tracking at less than 100k buys?

Like I've been telling you people. The internet is an example where millions of people are online, probably even a billion. You sell a product for $1 a piece, only about less than 20 people would buy it. Everyone wants freebies. 1,000 is a huge, huge number. That's why I don't even believe these silly 100,000, 200,000, 300,000, etc. figures even during the May/Pac era. Schaefer knew this, Espinoza knew this, Haymon knew this. HBO knew this. So all these figures that are coming out in hundreds of thousands are all fantasies. They're designed to mislead people. Bro, anyone can create a youtube channel, as another example. Unless it's something about cute puppies, kittens, horses, etc., you can never get 1,000 people to subscribe to your channel for less than a year or something. And subscribing to a channel is just one click of a button.

High time for fans to be skeptical of any number that comes out ranging from 50K - 100K. $100 Canadian for only one fight is hard to shell out for most people nowadays. It's almost the price of a refurbished laptop that you can use for many years. Exactly. Fans need to band together and demand sources, evidences how they come up with grossly exaggerated numbers.

So you're saying Mayweather/Pacquiao only sold like 200,000? No, I was referring to their respective fights prior like May/Ortiz, Pac/Rios, May/Berto, etc. May/Pac, there will never be anything like it in our lifetime. Pac and May will still do good numbers individually.

It's in the red that's for sure. They had to match DAZN's guarantee to Wilder hoping to make up for it with the Fury fight. Espinoza is happy he didn't put it on Showtime PPV but let FOX take the loss. They had the option to grab it.

Fox/PBC giving away huge guarantees for 2 fighters. If they're true there has to be reason for this. Your guess is as good as mine. Stupid Hearn will come back offering massive amounts of money. Then the lowball cries begin. Rinse and repeat.

Like I've been telling you people. The internet is an example where millions of people are online, probably even a billion. You sell a product for $1 a piece, only about less than 20 people would buy it. Everyone wants freebies. 1,000 is a huge, huge number. That's why I don't even believe these silly 100,000, 200,000, 300,000, etc. figures even during the May/Pac era. Schaefer knew this, Espinoza knew this, Haymon knew this. HBO knew this. So all these figures that are coming out in hundreds of thousands are all fantasies. They're designed to mislead people. So you're saying Mayweather/Pacquiao only sold like 200,000?

With the fight purses being 20m for Wilder and 7m for Ortiz, they would need around 700k buys just to cover those alone. That doesn't cover the undercard fighter's purses. That's before sponsor's, gate and international rights. As a ballpark figure we'll go with that all being 5m. That would still mean the PPV buys would need to be around 580k with the PPV provider getting their cut.

Its obvious the numbers didnt do good. No one will over pay wilder is his next fight. Everybody knows he can't draw shyyte, he was never a ppv fighter thou.

High time for fans to be skeptical of any number that comes out ranging from 50K - 100K. $100 Canadian for only one fight is hard to shell out for most people nowadays. It's almost the price of a refurbished laptop that you can use for many years.

Well this was his second fight since turning down 100m from DAZN, he has to hope Fury doesn’t duck him again. Even if that fight sells a million buys, he wouldn’t have made 100m from three fights. He has to be the dumbest boxer in history. If I was him, I would fire all the members of my team after the Fury fight, organise a meeting with the head of DAZN or ESPN and see what I can get at age 35/36 as a free agent. This is why I would always respect Mayweather, with the little education that he has, he learn along the way, from when he was with James Prince to Arum to Haymon to doing things by himself. He made sure his last 6 fights was for a mega deal. His only loyalty was to money. Not to any network or any promoter. How Wilder and Ortiz were brainwashed to duck Joshua is something I would never understand.