PBC is holding Wilder back IMO

Well Ruiz vs AJ II is far more anticipated because it is the rematch to one of the biggest upsets in Heavyweight Boxing History so naturally that is the far bigger fight and anticipation is up ALSO, with AJ, props to the UK, they get behind their guy and support their guy. Boxing here in the US is far more Complicated to become a Superstar. You don't just get the Support of Americans just because you're American obviously. It takes much longer and lot more work to become a STAR in America. Doesn't matter who is your Promoter or which Network you fight on Wait are you saying AJ vs Wilder. When it was discussed AJ should have got a lot more money like they were asking because hes a bigger star?

Well Ruiz vs AJ II is far more anticipated because it is the rematch to one of the biggest upsets in Heavyweight Boxing History so naturally that is the far bigger fight and anticipation is up ALSO, with AJ, props to the UK, they get behind their guy and support their guy. Boxing here in the US is far more Complicated to become a Superstar. You don't just get the Support of Americans just because you're American obviously. It takes much longer and lot more work to become a STAR in America. Doesn't matter who is your Promoter or which Network you fight on Im not comparing the views. Ill be comparing the PROMOTION. To see if theres more than one announcer or the film crew, the feel of the money spent.

Those fights are gifts to promotion. They can't happen all the time. Chit Logan fight was pit together better than this Wilder fight. Wilder himself has voiced his opinion on the matter. He knows what's up. The.man has it all and I've seen him sign autograph after autograph doing what he can. He's the show now give him his platform is what I'm saying. Let's sit back and watch the AJ fight this month and see how the feel is and compare the two fights. Mark this thread and we can address it when it's over. Well Ruiz vs AJ II is far more anticipated because it is the rematch to one of the biggest upsets in Heavyweight Boxing History so naturally that is the far bigger fight and anticipation is up ALSO, with AJ, props to the UK, they get behind their guy and support their guy. Boxing here in the US is far more Complicated to become a Superstar. You don't just get the Support of Americans just because you're American obviously. It takes much longer and lot more work to become a STAR in America. Doesn't matter who is your Promoter or which Network you fight on

The worst promotion ever. One announcer that is pure crap. Going to a replay on the middle of a fight. Please bring back HBO. This production sux!! It just feels cheap. - -Deyonce getting the peanuts she signed for.

I wonder how much money they just spent on this? I remember the views were insane and the ppv showed what a real build up looks like.

The whole production in so many levels above PBC

BULLSH#T! Wilder Star Power no question has grown dramatically compared to what he was 1-2 years ago and that is Credit mostly to Showtime and Espinoza but also COMPETITION and Pressure from DAZN and ESPN who both wanted Wilder on their Network and sent over Massive Offers for him to get him on their Platform I do agree that HBO was the BEST at building up new Stars in the Sport of boxing and neither DAZN, ESPN, FOX, Showtime can compare. HBO covered Boxing for DECADES though, FOX, DAZN... it has barely been a damn YEAR since they started covering BOXING so lets give them TIME FOX I think does a great job on their NETWORK, if you don't watch their Network then you miss out on a lot of great Content. A lot of boxing fans are waiting for Uploads on youtube but FOX have their own Networks and APP so why would they just give way their content on youtube and not put it on their own Network. It might not reach YOU but it likely reaches OTHER Sports Fans who are not yet boxing fans like us. Sorry but the Opinion of the Hardcore Boxing Fans is MEANINGLESS! The Success of Mayweather vs McGregor as well as KSI vs Logan Paul is Proof that what Hardcore Boxing Fans think means absolutely NOTHING anymore. Hardcore Boxing b#tched and complain about those events and those Events was a HUGE success without the complaining hardcore boxing fans as well as the mainstream boxing media. They don't need us Solely anymore! GET OVER IT! Those fights are gifts to promotion. They can't happen all the time. Chit Logan fight was pit together better than this Wilder fight. Wilder himself has voiced his opinion on the matter. He knows what's up. The.man has it all and I've seen him sign autograph after autograph doing what he can. He's the show now give him his platform is what I'm saying. Let's sit back and watch the AJ fight this month and see how the feel is and compare the two fights. Mark this thread and we can address it when it's over.

I guess I just miss big promotion. 24/7 was epic and it's gone. I'll never forgot some of those build ups. They were amazing. I know Jim and team would be at times biased, but not like PBC or DAZN announcers. Besides a bit biased or not they were the best team in boxing. I feel like the fans are being sold short. I never use to watch UK fights but now I feel their energy. They have the big crowds, screens, buffer, ECT ECT. Someone needs to step it up in America. PBC knew this fight would sell after the fury fight so why not give us a good promotion? If fury vs Wilder 2 is a garbage promotion they need a thump on the head. Well, I'm glad I got to see the best promotion in boxing in my lifetime. I hope for this gen someone steps it up. I wonder how much money they just spent on this?

I guess I just miss big promotion. 24/7 was epic and it's gone. I'll never forgot some of those build ups. They were amazing. I know Jim and team would be at times biased, but not like PBC or DAZN announcers. Besides a bit biased or not they were the best team in boxing. I feel like the fans are being sold short. I never use to watch UK fights but now I feel their energy. They have the big crowds, screens, buffer, ECT ECT. Someone needs to step it up in America. PBC knew this fight would sell after the fury fight so why not give us a good promotion? If fury vs Wilder 2 is a garbage promotion they need a thump on the head. Well, I'm glad I got to see the best promotion in boxing in my lifetime. I hope for the best gen someone steps it up. Yeah, they spent the money, even the score, the cameras use, the people they got on board. PBC is not spending the money on the shows. Do PBC do PPV, is it the same costs. Haymon just wants a bigger cut for himself, I suppose.

BULLSH#T! Wilder Star Power no question has grown dramatically compared to what he was 1-2 years ago and that is Credit mostly to Showtime and Espinoza but also COMPETITION and Pressure from DAZN and ESPN who both wanted Wilder on their Network and sent over Massive Offers for him to get him on their Platform I do agree that HBO was the BEST at building up new Stars in the Sport of boxing and neither DAZN, ESPN, FOX, Showtime can compare. HBO covered Boxing for DECADES though, FOX, DAZN... it has barely been a damn YEAR since they started covering BOXING so lets give them TIME FOX I think does a great job on their NETWORK, if you don't watch their Network then you miss out on a lot of great Content. A lot of boxing fans are waiting for Uploads on youtube but FOX have their own Networks and APP so why would they just give way their content on youtube and not put it on their own Network. It might not reach YOU but it likely reaches OTHER Sports Fans who are not yet boxing fans like us. Sorry but the Opinion of the Hardcore Boxing Fans is MEANINGLESS! The Success of Mayweather vs McGregor as well as KSI vs Logan Paul is Proof that what Hardcore Boxing Fans think means absolutely NOTHING anymore. Hardcore Boxing b#tched and complain about those events and those Events was a HUGE success without the complaining hardcore boxing fans as well as the mainstream boxing media. They don't need us Solely anymore! GET OVER IT!

Definitely. They do everything on the cheap, they show seemed tacky and they rather have pretty girls than people with boxing knowledge on their show. Wilder would be far more popular and could crossover if had promoter like Arum. I guess I just miss big promotion. 24/7 was epic and it's gone. I'll never forgot some of those build ups. They were amazing. I know Jim and team would be at times biased, but not like PBC or DAZN announcers. Besides a bit biased or not they were the best team in boxing. I feel like the fans are being sold short. I never use to watch UK fights but now I feel their energy. They have the big crowds, screens, buffer, ECT ECT. Someone needs to step it up in America. PBC knew this fight would sell after the fury fight so why not give us a good promotion? If fury vs Wilder 2 is a garbage promotion they need a thump on the head. Well, I'm glad I got to see the best promotion in boxing in my lifetime. I hope for this gen someone steps it up.

All the stars were out for that fight; That is Wilder vs Ortiz 2. The last I heard the rematch was tracking around 750K PPV buys.

The worst promotion ever. One announcer that is pure crap. Going to a replay on the middle of a fight. Please bring back HBO. This production sux!! It just feels cheap. Definitely. They do everything on the cheap, they show seemed tacky and they rather have pretty girls than people with boxing knowledge on their show. Wilder would be far more popular and could crossover if had promoter like Arum.

Well why isn't HBO doing that? They got out of boxing because they had no fighters outside of Canelo! P4P is worthless. Do you think casual fans who bought the fight last night care about P4P? No, they care about KO's and they got their money worth. Only people who care about objective P4P list are hardcore boxing fans. You're another boxing fan trapped in a bubble. You don't matter. You'll watch the fights regardless. Casual fans didn't buy the fight Saturday I'm guessing. Casuals used to buy Floyd and Manny fights and they buy Canelo fights when they go over a million buys. 250k buys is nothing but hardcore boxing fans paying to watch. HBO got out because the return on investment wasn't there for them i'm sure. P4P is far from worthless, those are the guys that casuals do find out about and tune in to watch. I may be in this bubble but I don't buy PPV anymore unless it's a top level fight. I bought Pac-Thurman and Chipped in for Spence-Porter. 2 top level fights. every Wilder fight is the same story, he loses every round until he lands the big right and he wins. I'll save my $75 when he fights, I watched on youtube at 7 am sunday morning!

Well why isn't HBO doing that? They got out of boxing because they had no fighters outside of Canelo! P4P is worthless. Do you think casual fans who bought the fight last night care about P4P? No, they care about KO's and they got their money worth. Only people who care about objective P4P list are hardcore boxing fans. You're another boxing fan trapped in a bubble. You don't matter. You'll watch the fights regardless. Money’s worth? It was garbage. Nice KO and all, but the best fights of the night were on dazn.

Just wait. Be patient. The PPV numbers will start leaking Tuesday if they're good. And the gate info will be released within 10 days. I think you're severely underrating Wilder's popularity. There are 3 fighters doing over a million dollar gates. Canelo Wilder Spence its not that he isn't popular to some degree. its that he's not popular enough to justify what they pay him, and isnt that point of boxing? boxing is a business, make money, etc...right? his ppv vs fury didnt make money. this one is going to lose a ton of money since they have to sell 500k plus to break even. his big future fight is the fury rematch would didnt sell well the first time, but maybe it will this time? problem is they are most certainly going to want more than 20 million each so that means they have to do a lot more buys this time. there is a lot of fantasy hope riding on the wilder stock

HBO is out of boxing because they were unable to create any PPV attractions. Canelo came to them already a PPV attraction built from the Floyd undercards and the fight with Floyd PBC has 3 legit PPV attractions. Who else is doing that? HBO could put on 1 Canelo fight vs a named fighter and do what PBC does in 3 PPV shows. PBC has about 200 fighters, right? well good for them for building 3 "stars" lol... DAZN is a year in and has like 5 top P4P fighters in their stable. selling PPV only matters to idiots like you who like getting bent over for $75 anytime a half decent matchup gets made. I'm Happy to watch Wilders one good punch a fight land on youtube and save my $$

Just wait. Be patient. The PPV numbers will start leaking Tuesday if they're good. And the gate info will be released within 10 days. I think you're severely underrating Wilder's popularity. There are 3 fighters doing over a million dollar gates. Canelo Wilder Spence It's not that. He's a star but so you as a fan like you are think the promotion is good for him? Do you think it's up to par with even say a UK broadcast? I don't want anyone to get it twisted I'm not going after PBC. I would be just as happy if they fixed the mess they put on.

Yall just cant help hating on PBC...... Its pathetic at this point You really thought that production and crew of one was good? Really? Wilder deserves better! His outfit outclassed the whole event.

HBO is out of boxing because they were unable to create any PPV attractions. Canelo came to them already a PPV attraction built from the Floyd undercards and the fight with Floyd PBC has 3 legit PPV attractions. Who else is doing that? That's fine I'm cool with that. This discussion is about the production. It didn't look it sound professional. Wilder has a chance to be a big star, treat him like one! Didn't anyone else see the replay in the middle of one of the rounds in one of the fights? One guy announcing that is a clown on the mic. Just clean the chit up! I felt like I was in one of the Reno casinos