After hours of rumination; I realized the truth about GGG

I like GGG but in terms of greatness i dont know if i can rate him in the top 25 of last 20 yrs at 160

Haha poor Steve Rolls I see his name on this forum so much. I have heard hearsay anecdotes about him in a local gym here in bum**** nowhere Canada though so you can't be too far off. Dude looked like a HS janitor ...

I already answered that point. Rocky Fielding and Amir Khan, at MW, were not just "as bad as" Rolls, they were worse than him. Ex champion and champion. Steve Rolls has no rank, no history, no credentials. Look im not saying they good but come on they aint on the same as level as wats--face

WTF??? Mayweather has gone through 5 weightclasses... Re read the comment i said like mayweather he has no issue making Weight in his given weightclass. Mayweather choose to move up he didn't have to and more often than not he stayed around 147. Just as g stayed at 160.

He never fought north of 160, and has been stuck there for absolutely years. How can he be considered to be great when he's been stuck in one division for more than a decade? If he was truly great; he would have went to 168 and destroyed Ward, and the other champs at that weight, then moved up to 175 and done the same. This will always be an asterick to GGG, moving up would cement his legacy. It's too bad as an old man, his time in boxing is nearly at an end. You sound like Mayweather saying Ali wasn’t as good as him because he didn’t fight in several different weight classes. Forget GGG, look at Hagler’s career, he never fought north of 160 and is one of the greats. Your logic is illogical.

Nobody u mentioned 2 was as bad as Steve Rolls. Every other person had a belt, was an ex champion. GGG literally found some random guy no one ever heard of and KOed. He mineswell have fought a amateur boxer Haha poor Steve Rolls I see his name on this forum so much. I have heard hearsay anecdotes about him in a local gym here in bum**** nowhere Canada though so you can't be too far off.

"asterick" That would make for a hilarious name

Hagler unified all the belts, something GGG failed to do. Hagler also beat ARGUABLY one of the top 10 ATG in Sugar Ray LEONARD. Hagler is at a high level of boxing. :bad: Your whole thread is based on ggg is not great because he never moved up. Yet, you don't hold the same standards to Hagler.

He never fought north of 160, and has been stuck there for absolutely years. How can he be considered to be great when he's been stuck in one division for more than a decade? If he was truly great; he would have went to 168 and destroyed Ward, and the other champs at that weight, then moved up to 175 and done the same. This will always be an asterick to GGG, moving up would cement his legacy. It's too bad as an old man, his time in boxing is nearly at an end. Ever heard of Marvin Hagler? Carlos Monzon? Many more examples of great fighters who stayed in one weight class predominantly their whole career, but these are a couple of notable ones in the very same division as Golovkin. Dominating your division over a long period of time and clearing out all challengers is often times more impressive than moving up in weight. Particularly nowadays since there are more weight classes and at LEAST four(!) 'world titles' in every division. That's why you get guys like Broner who is able to call himself a 'three weight world champion'.

Blame the Klitschko's and LOeffler. That was their plan, but it was mostly Loeffler telling the Klit bros how he could make the K2 brand a success by milking GGG at 160, and HBO liked the idea. HBO's demise was because of disrespecting the integrity of daring to be great and only focused on making subs, all company men. If HBO employees of all sorts cared, they would've been pressuring GGG to fight Ward long ago or Canelo when he was at 154. Loeffler even went lengths to create ''Mexican style'' with Abel and the whole Californian audience bought it, taking MExican-American fight fans for a ride. GGG was a successful marketing proxy to beat Mexican boxers, so you have other fans from various backgrounds whom loved the idea. I mean why does GGG GLoveking, Kafkod or W1LL love GGG so much? I assure you they don't look like Kid Galahad Remember a guy named Floyd Mayweather. Do you remember him when he fought at the lower weights and was a Holy Terror. He stood in front of his opponents made them miss and made them pay. He went for knockouts but then he morphed into Money Mayweather. Ran around the ring used spoiling tactics and generally made unexciting fights. I was a big fan of his but I did not like how he changed up. People were getting sick of it and with no immediate PAC Mayweather fight in the forseeable future a guy like Golovkin that was knocking people out was exciting and caught the public's eye. He wasn't groomed as you say to beat Mexican fighters. On his way up he fought relatively few Mexicans. Yeah the Mexican style was a marketing ploy but so what. His style at the time more resembled Mexican fighters than any other style so it was a obvious way to increase his appeal. You are also implying that some or most of his followers like him for his skin colour. If you think that is racist why don't you have the guts to come out and say those names you mentioned are racists which is what you are getting at.

what guys at 168 was he even supposed to fight? they never answer this honestly. he tried to fight froch and ward who were the 2 best and they both turned him down. froch chose retirement and ward chose pavlik/sartison and then to war with hbo and his promoter instead. james degale? abraham? Shhh ... you're not supposed to mention that GGG wanted to fight Ward in 2012. It's against the ethos of this site.

Nobody u mentioned 2 was as bad as Steve Rolls. Every other person had a belt, was an ex champion. GGG literally found some random guy no one ever heard of and KOed. He mineswell have fought a amateur boxer I already answered that point. Rocky Fielding and Amir Khan, at MW, were not just "as bad as" Rolls, they were worse than him.

Hagler unified all the belts, something GGG failed to do. Hagler also beat ARGUABLY one of the top 10 ATG in Sugar Ray LEONARD. Hagler is at a high level of boxing. :bad: Where to start with this? In Hagler's day you could unify belts without everyone ducking you. Hagler didn't beat Leonard. But if he did, then we can also say that Golovkin beat Canelo...twice. The Ring Mag #1 P4P right now. But Hagler lost that fight.

The first genuine World class fighters GGG fought, he struggled and got beat. The man is not "Great", or "Elite", or "P4P". He was fed a line-up of fallguys for years. Soon as he stepped up he was made to look amateurish and basic. Did he look amateurish and basic going 24 rounds with prime Canelo at the age of 36/37 and arguably beating him twice? He only stepped up at an age when most elite fighters are already retired because no other elites would fight him till he turned 35 and started to show signs of slipping. BJS actually admitted that he waited for GGG to turn 35 before calling him out, because he would have been "slaughtered" by the younger version of Golovkin. And please don't any GGG haters start quoting me talking about Andre Ward. GGG vs Ward was never even a realistic possibility.

Canelo fought Fielding, who might have held a WBA regular title put was no better than Rolls. And Fielding was fresh off a 1st round KO defeat to the WBA super champion, Callum Smith, who was clamoring to fight Canelo. And what about Canelo vs Amir Khan? Khan had a name but he made that name at SLW. Canelo dragging Khan up to MW and nearly killing him instead of fighting GGG, who was his mandatory challenger, was the most disgraceful cherry pick I've ever seen. Nobody u mentioned 2 was as bad as Steve Rolls. Every other person had a belt, was an ex champion. GGG literally found some random guy no one ever heard of and KOed. He mineswell have fought a amateur boxer

When the last time a big boxer fought somebody as bad as Steve Rolls? Thats what ex champions are for. GGG has no shame. Just think if Floyd or Canelo or Joshua fought some guy like that Canelo fought Fielding, who might have held a WBA regular title put was no better than Rolls. And Fielding was fresh off a 1st round KO defeat to the WBA super champion, Callum Smith, who was clamoring to fight Canelo. And what about Canelo vs Amir Khan? Khan had a name but he made that name at SLW. Canelo dragging Khan up to MW and nearly killing him instead of fighting GGG, who was his mandatory challenger, was the most disgraceful cherry pick I've ever seen.

Every elite boxer, including the ATGs, fought no-hope opponents in between their big fights. When the last time a big boxer fought somebody as bad as Steve Rolls? Thats what ex champions are for. GGG has no shame. Just think if Floyd or Canelo or Joshua fought some guy like that

cept ward didnt want to take the fight. thats the whole reason hbo kicked him off. not just the ggg fight but guys like bute, froch rematch, etc...hbo also told him they would not approve sartison and he went ahead and signed that fight anyway, then came to hbo and said i've signed my next fight. they were like well we aren't televising it. then the legal problems started. all because of wards opponent selection. this was confirmed in court records. his own promoter said there were a ton of fights hbo wanted and ward didnt want them so im not sure how you get ward was more willing to fight when he wasn't. i know you like ward but thats what happened. people can say i like ggg but ggg did something similar whne he fought rolls instead of andrade. only difference is dazn let him while hbo did not let ward take those easy fights that he thought he deserved. people say i like GGG. nbobody accuses you of being a ward stan. so in that regard your card is pulled. you're speculating about the offers you never saw, teh weights, the dates and if they lined up with reality. ducking bute? the guy carl froch flattened? not my problem you guys overrated the hell out of the fighter. if he beat froch you'd have a leg to stand on. but he got his ass kicked becasue he was an overrated fighter. not a f#cking soul called for that fight other than brits and euros who were detracting from ward. if ward had taken it and knocked him around the ring you'd have been calling him "goloviin's leftovers," because he knocked the guy out like a light in the amateurs. you're not addresing the reality that golvokins team made the right decision to stay at 160 lbs for the money. they didn't move up to 168 or 175 lbs. they instead fought a string of very light opposition off of pay per view leading up to the jacobs fight. As we moved into 2015, the fight looked no nearer to being made, but the cold war being fought in the media rumbled on. In June Golovkin gave an uncharacteristically angry interview in Russian, blasting the American for trying to generate publicity by using his name and accusing him of already turning down the chance to fight once in the past: “At our meeting with HBO they asked us whether we are ready to box. You know our answers – I said yes, you said no. You said something about your shoulder or promoter – I’m not interested in the reason, I only heard your ‘no.’” Golovkin ended with some particularly harsh words aimed directly at his rival: “As a man, you are dead to me”. Precise details of the meeting Golovkin was referring to are not easy to find, though neither Ward nor HBO have ever denied it took place. Assuming the conversation unfolded exactly as GGG described it, Ward’s response indicates that it likely took place during his hiatus from the ring in 2013, when he was sidelined after tearing his right shoulder and also embroiled in a legal dispute with his promoter, Dan Goosen. As such, the fact that Ward said he was not “ready to box” at that time is hardly surprising. is this tge "offer" you're talking abotu? when ward was literally unable to fight due to shoulder surgery and a very well documented contract dispute with his promoter? On October 8th, just three months after Rafael’s report, Loeffler gave an interview to boxingscene.com explaining why the official offer was rejected, saying it was received after their unification fight with David Lemieux had been signed and therefore too late. He also claimed their primary aim was to unify the 160lb division, but admitted they would move up to 168 for “mega events” against Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. or Carl Froch. As for Ward, Triple G’s “stardom” had now surpassed the American, he argued, and therefore a 50-50 split between the pair no longer made sense. and then months later, after ward returns and looks decent and losing weight, he's no longer worth a 50 50 split?> is this honest negotiating? throwing **** through the media? f#ck you :lol1:. go spill your bull**** somehwere else! i'm at least admitting that there wasn't a huge urgency in ward's camp to take the fight. they coudln't make 164 lbs if they tried. the comeback was 172 and 175 lbs. ward wentup and took on a much stiffer challenge at 175 lbs for less money. was he really scared of taking an L to a 160 lber who blocked punches iwth his face and who was taylor made for him? what you're failing to address is that one camp knows damn well who would be favored if they fought at a fair weight. who ducked who, really? let's assume both guys "avoided the fight" in part beacsue of the money. ok fine. factor in who avoided who because ward would mop the floor with gennady golovkin, 2 weight classes smaller and with a style taylor made to get walked around the ring and lose 10-12 rounds.

So getting a draw and a loss versus Canelo, is better than beating Wlad in his own backyard? You can call Wlad old in hindsight, but Fury was the underdog at +395, with Wlad at -510. Look how many of the BoxingScene "experts" picked Wlad: https://www.boxingscene.com/klitschko-vs-fury-boxingscenecom-staff-predictions--98700. Appears to me you're trying to downplay Fury's ELITE acheivement after the event. like i said most people thought he won so thats where the difference lies. i dont use official judges as the barometer for who won a fight. for example fury beat wilder but officially its a draw. i dont agree.

cept ward didnt want to take the fight. thats the whole reason hbo kicked him off. not just the ggg fight but guys like bute, froch rematch, etc...hbo also told him they would not approve sartison and he went ahead and signed that fight anyway, then came to hbo and said i've signed my next fight. they were like well we aren't televising it. then the legal problems started. all because of wards opponent selection. this was confirmed in court records. his own promoter said there were a ton of fights hbo wanted and ward didnt want them so im not sure how you get ward was more willing to fight when he wasn't. i know you like ward but thats what happened. people can say i like ggg but ggg did something similar whne he fought rolls instead of andrade. only difference is dazn let him while hbo did not let ward take those easy fights that he thought he deserved. Too much facts in this response.... Green K inc.