Clenbuterol doesn't do nothing

So Clen would help Canelo nearly 80 days away to breath better on fight night? Lol. You realize that the benefits listed for “performance” are relative DURING competition let alone the general medical benefits for patients needing it in the NOW. Imagine a hospital patient being told by the doctor, the effects will benefit you 80 days from now! Lol The time frame in which an offender takes the prohibited substance does not change its prohibition.

Any illegal substance that helps you breathe better is obviously an advantage. You could go 12 rounds and still have the same energy swinging your hands, moving around without tiring. How is that not an unfair advantage when you use that "perk" to inflict damage?

lol at these pseudo scientists trying to feel smart. For you to feel smart you would have to touch my brain. its banned dude failed and in the meat was always the hidden excuse.

ha yeah. I hear ya. Wiki itself ain't trustworthy but I tend to use it more as a quick way to find the references to the relevant research papers which are my prefered sources. I always like to know what knowledge people got though, man... you never know when that ish can come in handy. And yeah funny enough I'm prescribed Salbutamol too, so I'll bear that in mind, rarely use it cept a bit in winter maybe... just the beginnings of COPD but I manage it well. No-one to blame but myself though, aspiration pneumonia bout a decade ago and my dumb ass kept smoking even after that til a coupla years back. sorry to hear that. glad you are positive, no point in keeling over to these things.

thanks but wikis not my thing personally, my medics degree is my preferred source. Sadly also been using one for asthma for 20 years so thats my heart messed up already. I know they say my salbutamol doesnt effect heart, but i believe it does eventually. if anyone has asthma I would recommend using as little as you can get by on. useful for others though cheers. enjoy KGs link, peeps. ha yeah. I hear ya. Wiki itself ain't trustworthy but I tend to use it more as a quick way to find the references to the relevant research papers which are my prefered sources. I always like to know what knowledge people got though, man... you never know when that ish can come in handy. And yeah funny enough I'm prescribed Salbutamol too, so I'll bear that in mind, rarely use it cept a bit in winter maybe... just the beginnings of COPD but I manage it well. No-one to blame but myself though, aspiration pneumonia bout a decade ago and my dumb ass kept smoking even after that til a coupla years back.

Beta2 agonist...and if what I've read is correct you got that just about bang on. The beta agonists are their own class of drug but have various similarities in effects to stimulants and steroids. Curiously WADA classify Clenbuterol as an anabolic rather than with the other beta agonists.... umm. following the reference it looks like it's because of a study showing that using it as a bronchodilator gave little to no performance boost to athletes. Here's what wiki has to say at least, but the footnotes give a shetload more info for anyone who's interested https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clenbuterol thanks but wikis not my thing personally, my medics degree is my preferred source. Sadly also been using one for asthma for 20 years so thats my heart messed up already. I know they say my salbutamol doesnt effect heart, but i believe it does eventually. if anyone has asthma I would recommend using as little as you can get by on. useful for others though cheers. enjoy KGs link, peeps.

Canelo use to gas out early in his career...

Ha ha man, that shit was grueling. What was that? 2 or 3 hours of my life just to defend a position of 'we don't know for sure', who woulda thought that'd be so problematic for some dudes? :lol1: Only on NSB, man. Damn thing was I'd actually sat down to update the Pick Em leaderboard when I got pulled into all this silliness, but I reckon I still might be able to find time before tonight. Hope you're doing well, man.:boxing: All is well bro. I couldn’t help but get a good laugh from that though.... I knew what was coming. Pick Em is not my friend this week. Cheers

Why would they use a banned substance as a masking agent? :dunce: :lol1: "Lets mask my use of banned substances with a banned substance" :rofl: Brilliant..just plain brilliant...ha ha

Lmao!!!!! Catch a deep breath! Some people just chose not to understand. Ha ha man, that shit was grueling. What was that? 2 or 3 hours of my life just to defend a position of 'we don't know for sure', who woulda thought that'd be so problematic for some dudes? :lol1: Only on NSB, man. Damn thing was I'd actually sat down to update the Pick Em leaderboard when I got pulled into all this silliness, but I reckon I still might be able to find time before tonight. Hope you're doing well, man.:boxing:

the Clen talk has exhausted me bruh. a bit boring tbh. believe what you want. Hey man, you have pretty good brakes! I can smell the rubber from over here..

It's alright, man, I was just about ready to throw in the towel myself... heading for some RSI here.:lol1: Lmao!!!!! Catch a deep breath! Some people just chose not to understand.

A supercharger doesn't keep the engine cool. A supercharger compresses air, increasing air intake to the engine and thus optimizing the combustion rate. This increased intake and optimization is similar to the effect of clenbuterol, and how it helps respiration. I'd say it's a pretty spot on analogy. We're not talking about a water pump. Ice your engine bro! We differ about the analogy, carry on

the Clen talk has exhausted me bruh. a bit boring tbh. believe what you want. It's alright, man, I was just about ready to throw in the towel myself... heading for some RSI here.:lol1:

“As Daniel Eichner, director of SMRTL, the Wada-accredited lab that conducted the tests stated in his letter (on Monday): ‘These values are all within the range of what is expected from meat contamination’. Upon receiving this information, Golden Boy immediately notified the Nevada State Athletic Commission and Golovkin’s promoter, Tom Loeffler.” So what are the EXPECTED ranges of actual Clen users in the real world, be it body builders...I assure you the lab experts can see varying results for how the body breaks down different types of use let alone the amounts. Erik Morales' case didn't have trace amounts disclosed. Guess which fighter had trace amounts and was ruled meat contamination? Francisco Vargas. And I assure you that if the lab experts can do as you say they ain't told anyone and ain't published any research about it... and I know how to look for that ish. Usually you can find an abstract or something even if the paper is hideen behind a paywall. Clen doesn't produce detectable matabolites, man. You can't do a metabolite to precursor ratio to establish when the Clen was taken. You put Clen in you piss Clen out... that's why we can't get a definitive answer to this thing. And yeah. All the bolded section says is exactly what we've already established. That Canelo's clenbuterol results were consistent with meat contamination. What isn't said here - or pretty much anywhere else (I guess because they are being rightly careful not to imply guilt), is that any result that is consistent with meat contamination is also consistent with PED abuse. If you wait long enough no matter how much Clen you put in your systen you'll end up with a urinary concentration that is 'consistent with meat contamination'.

Who is ''they?'' What source are you citing? Where are you getting ''could?'' 'Consistent with' basically means 'could be'. Doesn't mean 'is' doesn't mean 'proves'. Just means the available evidence doesn't disprove something. That's all I've been saying all along. Just ain't good enough for some of you dudes though is it?:lol1: The 'they' is anyone who said canelo's results were consistent with meat contamination, though specifically I was referencing your post: so if I'm using verbiage from the science field, you know the same people that work Olympic testing, then take their word for it.

Well it’s banned for a reason. It’s good for weight loss. It doesn’t make you stronger. But it’s cheating because it’s a shortcut to lose weight. It’s not really all that bad if you’re a fatass who doesn’t compete in anything. But it is cheating in sports.

What is all this fluff? I didn't invent ''consistent with meat contamination'' nor ''meat contamination'' studies. I don't have a degree in Biochemistry nor work for a WADA accredited lab let alone being a Director of a lab. What we do know, neither you or I own million dollar spectrometry machines, so if I'm using verbiage from the science field, you know the same people that work Olympic testing, then take their word for it. I am taking their word for it. They're saying it could be meat contamination. They're not saying it is meat contamination. They're not even saying it is probably meat contamination. They're just saying the available evidence doesn't rule out meat contamination. That's what 'consistent with' means. That's all I was trying to tell you in my previous post. People are just used to being careless with language is all.

So I think your good friend Jose was taking more then just Clenbuterol. Most likely stacking it with other stuff because I have never heard/seen/read about someone getting gyno from solely Clen. It doesnt do anything to your test levels so your Estrogen levels dont elevate at all. I would almost guarantee he was stacking multiple things. he was stacking deca, clen, and a few other things, some he shot in his azz, some were pills, that kinda messed his liver up.

a good friend of my Jose, strong guy, used to cycle it regualrly and it made him so strong, but he got bish **** and had to get surgery to make them go away. So I think your good friend Jose was taking more then just Clenbuterol. Most likely stacking it with other stuff because I have never heard/seen/read about someone getting gyno from solely Clen. It doesnt do anything to your test levels so your Estrogen levels dont elevate at all. I would almost guarantee he was stacking multiple things.