Does the fighter who dictates weight ever lose?

And Hopkins still weighed in under the catch weight just for the hell of it lol. Talk about a backfire. Yeah he came in a pound less, that must’ve really messed with Oscar’s head who was obviously hoping to drain B-Hop.

First one that came to mind... And Hopkins still weighed in under the catch weight just for the hell of it lol. Talk about a backfire.

Did DLH invent WW? Golovkin said he'd fight at a catchweight and then changed his mind and demanded 160. He chose the weight, FACT. Are you being serious? You reasoned it out and came up with this??

I have like 3 people on ignore man and he is one of them...waste of time man...I wouldn't waste yours...one of a few on here who cares nothing for facts and just blindly supports his tribe/narrative...let it go I would say :) https://media1.giphy.com/media/qmfpjpAT2fJRK/giphy.gif thinks that Golovkin has a better resume than Canelo..... I just made a thread about specifically why people rate Canelo's resume as better than GGG's...and I laid out my case as to why I rate GGG's better..... https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=820918 ---------------------------- thinks that one of the " killers " on Golovkin's resume could have beaten Canelo.... but will not say which one I don't think Canelo would have gotten all of his guys out by KO and maybe would not have 'won' all of them..... https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=820918&page=10 ---------------------------- thinks that Golovkin has faced more quality opposition than almost any other fighter in history..... never had a slip up against quality opposition, and he faced probably more of them than almost any other fighter in history... https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=824905 ---------------------------- thinks that Andre Ward is no better than Bika Barrera and Miranda I just never really saw the skills from him..... if he was born in a different country I don't think he would have been looked at much differently than Bika Barrera or Miranda etc..... https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19903762#post19903762 ---------------------------- thinks that Golovkin has 5-6 'great' wins..... but cannot even name 1 of those 'great' wins Yeah he has about 10+ good wins imo...and 5-6 'great' wins if you want to term it that...great fighter, great career...an ATG at MW...that's pretty clear I think..... If a great win is a dominant win over another prime great fighter...I would say GGG has quite a few tbh..... https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=821123&page=20 ---------------------------- thinks that Lemieux, Murray... are the same level as Canelo/Jacobs Lemieux, Murray pretty clearly around the level of SD Canelo Jacobs... https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20112309#post20112309 ---------------------------- thinks that Murray Lemieux Monroe and Vanes, are better wins for Golovkin..... than Lara Cotto Trout and Mosley, are for Canelo..... Canelo's top wins would be Lara..Jacobs and Cotto imo...GGG's would be Jacobs, Murray and Lemieux...I don't see a ton of separation there..... winning 7-5 vs a great Lara...and going 12 with a shot fat Cotto...is not imo better than 8 Round destruction of Lemieux...and 11 round destruction of Murray..... Vanes was inactive and moving up in weight...but he wasn't shot like SSM more or less was..... I don't think going 12 with Mosley when Canelo did, or 12 with Trout, are better wins than GGG running through Monroe and Geale..... https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=820918&page=16 ---------------------------- creates a thread misquoting Steve Weisfeld..... Boxing1013 attempted to remove defence, ring generalship, and effective aggression, as official scoring criteria..... to justify why he thinks Golovkin beat Canelo in their rematch..... but, had NO IDEA that Steve Weisfeld was AN OFFICIAL JUDGE at the Canelo/Golovkin rematch..... and Weisfeld scored that fight for Canelo looool https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=818903 ------------------------------- proves that he has no idea how to score a professional boxing match... I'll also tell you how I score them...generally give a 'full point' for a good hard clean shot...and a 'half point' for a punch that is a scoring blow but isn't necessarily super hard or clean. https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20372893#post20372893 ------------------------------- thinks Golovkin's resume is just as good as Pernell Whitaker's resume resume wise it is interesting that one dominated with decision wins over good fighters, and one with KO wins over good fighters...both having the same number of wins, and about the same number of good wins. https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=843266 ------------------------------- thinks that Daniel Geale is a better fighter than Jeff Fenech I would even say Geale in his prime was a better fighter than Fenech https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=843266&page=2 ------------------------------- has NO idea what qualifies a fighter for greatness I think you are once again another on here who fails to realize that what makes 99% of great fighters great - is beating 9/10 or even 10/10 of the good solid pros they faced...most greats only face 1-2 or maybe 3 other greats in their primes/best weights, and usually they have mixed results there. https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=843266&page=2 ------------------------------- thinks that Golovkin is the same level as Duran GGG is comparable to Duran levels-wise for me... https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=843918&page=4

Golovkin and Cotto picked the weights and lost. That's the point of the thread. Stay salty. :biggthump Golovkin invented the middleweight division? I didn’t know that.

Oscar set a catch weight of 157 for Hopkins and still lost.

Cotto against Canelo. Golovkin against Canelo. Golovkin forcing Canelo to fight according to the established limits, good pick. Cotto FORCING Canelo to fight at the same weight Canelo fought his previous 3 fights is another good one.

Oscar vs BHop, man. I’m thinking also that Oscar was not the betting favorite in either fight. I know he wasn’t against Floyd, not sure about Hopkins.

Oscar-Hopkins First one that came to mind...

oscar demanded floyd to come up at 154. floyd gladly accepted Definitely that was one of two times I didn’t think of. The other was Oscar also but that one seemed more like a compromise with Hopkins than a demand. Oscar, to his credit, was more of a risk taker than most. Sometimes risks are called risks for a reason.

I’m sure it happens but I cannot think of any high profile fights where the fighter who dictated weight to the other fighter didn’t win. Oscar vs BHop, man.

I’m sure it happens but I cannot think of any high profile fights where the fighter who dictated weight to the other fighter didn’t win. oscar demanded floyd to come up at 154. floyd gladly accepted

Oscar played himself against Pacquiao. He had track marks on his arms walking into the ring because he was so dehydrated cutting weight during fight week. Guy could barely get off his stool before he quit. Majority of the time A side is the one setting the weight so of course they will have the advantage. I’ve always believed if an opponent accepts a weight or rehydration clause they can’t complain later. No one is forcing them to take the fight.

Algieri was 20-0 when Pac fought him. At that time he had weighed in at or under the 140 limit exactly once. Every other time he was over. Holding Algieri to the 140 limit would not have been doing him any favors. Hatton had more than 20 straight wins at 140, moved up to 147 and very nearly lost to Collazo. After that fight he moved back down to 140. After which he went 4-1 at 140 (the loss being to Pac) and 0-2 at 147 You're talking stupid here. I have like 3 people on ignore man and he is one of them...waste of time man...I wouldn't waste yours...one of a few on here who cares nothing for facts and just blindly supports his tribe/narrative...let it go I would say :)

#manny-weight #thisthreadbackfiredbadlyhuh? spent 1 post whining about Canelo... and then spent 4 pages defending Manny http://media.tumblr.com/ccef6e641636790216bd434a0c177fc2/tumblr_inline_n75krwRWEZ1qjsg0u.gif

Algieri was 20-0 when Pac fought him. At that time he had weighed in at or under the 140 limit exactly once. Every other time he was over. Holding Algieri to the 140 limit would not have been doing him any favors. Hatton had more than 20 straight wins at 140, moved up to 147 and very nearly lost to Collazo. After that fight he moved back down to 140. After which he went 4-1 at 140 (the loss being to Pac) and 0-2 at 147 You're talking stupid here. the dude was - AND STILL IS - a junior welter... Chris Algieri ID# 449201 division super light 1019-06-01 139 Tommy Coyle 139½ https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/449201 lets lay this excuse-filled nonsense to bed right now “I’m undefeated at 140,” Algieri explained. “Welterweight was never really a division I needed to move up to. I just had great opportunities there. I’m just not a welterweight. My body’s better served for the junior welterweight division.” Ricky Fatton killed himself to make weight... losing (LITERALLY) 40-50 pounds to make junior welter... Hatton was clearly better/healthier at 147, there is no question about that... those last 7 pounds would have killed him healthy > dead on the scales like I said, remove Fatton if you need to... but Team Pacquiao played the weight game superbly, pulling the little guys up and dragging the big guys down explain to me why Pacquiao totally refused to fight the lightweight Marquez at 140? Q. why did Pacquiao insist on a catchweight that was higher than he HAD NEVER WEIGHED HIMSELF... ? lol A. to disadvantage Marquez as much as possible they saw from the Mayweather fight that Marquez was fat slow and less-effective at welter... and Manny had to eat 6 meals a day including 3am/6am shakes to make 143/144 because he burned off weight so fast in camp ... #manny-weight #thisthreadbackfiredbadlyhuh?

Hatton couldn't make 140 healthily for years Algieri was a junior welter... AND HE STILL IS :lol1: manny-weight... doing its job, since 2009 Algieri was 20-0 when Pac fought him. At that time he had weighed in at or under the 140 limit exactly once. Every other time he was over. Holding Algieri to the 140 limit would not have been doing him any favors. Hatton had more than 20 straight wins at 140, moved up to 147 and very nearly lost to Collazo. After that fight he moved back down to 140. After which he went 4-1 at 140 (the loss being to Pac) and 0-2 at 147 You're talking stupid here.

I’m sure it happens but I cannot think of any high profile fights where the fighter who dictated weight to the other fighter didn’t win. It's because you're very young. How old were you May 5th, 2007?

That was a weird one doe. Oscar came down to Manny at a weight he hadnt been in a decade or something iirc. I think Oscar wanted to look like he was giving Manny some favor more than he was trying to dictate weight like most guys are trying to do it. But yea thats definitely when its gone wrong, but it feels like it went wrong cuz Oscar was doing backwards weight bully sh^t lol. Not that I think that Oscar wins if hed had made Manny fight him at a higher weight that night cuz Oscar seemed off & Manny seemed on & it likely just wasnt meant to be for Oscar that night weight be damned. Yeah, people blame the weight on the way that fight went. Oscar was completely shot and Manny at his physical prime and he was a god damn wrecking ball. A few more lbs doesn't save Oscar that's for sure

Lets not forget Caneloweight. The 155 champ who did Canelo drain at 155.... ? name one