Roy Jones vs Greatest from 160 to 175

Hopkins was in jail and came to boxing late. Toney like to eat too much. RJJ could have trilogies with both I don't think anybody wants to see any trilogies at this stage. It's a shame that we didn't see a Hopkins rematch in 02, and a Toney rematch in 03.

Yes, Toney was a great fighter who should have had more discipline. Yes, Hopkins got better as he aged, but Roy had an injured hand too. A rematch in 2002 would have been perfect. But Bernard didn't want anything to do with it. Hopkins was in jail and came to boxing late. Toney like to eat too much. RJJ could have trilogies with both

You know Toney had issues with the weight and not at his best. The Hopkins he fought was also very green. Yes, Toney was a great fighter who should have had more discipline. Yes, Hopkins got better as he aged, but Roy had an injured hand too. A rematch in 2002 would have been perfect. But Bernard didn't want anything to do with it.

Roy reign of greatness was from 92-02. IMHO, his absolute peak was when he was 25/26, in 94/95. The versions who fought Toney and Paz at SMW. You know Toney had issues with the weight and not at his best. The Hopkins he fought was also very green.

I'm asking you, when was Roy's prime. Roy reign of greatness was from 92-02. IMHO, his absolute peak was when he was 25/26, in 94/95. The versions who fought Toney and Paz at SMW.

You've typed out all of those names, yet you don't know when his prime was? Roy never had a great chin, but it wasn't made of glass. Those guys on your list would all have needed the perfect opportunity to have landed on him. Easier said than done. A guy like Canelo would have had no chance of beating Roy. It would have been an easy match up for Roy stylistically. I'm asking you, when was Roy's prime.

How would you think a Canelo vs. Roy @ 160 would go? An easy U/D for Roy. Canelo is short, with a short reach, he has stamina issues, and he's easy enough to hit. He's also not particularly fast and isn't a power puncher. Although he's a very skilled fighter, he wouldn't have posed a serious threat to Roy. Roy's speed would have had him second guessing all night. A bad stylistic match up for Roy would be someone who had size, skill and huge power like Spinks, or a tall southpaw with great skills and a big reach like Nunn.

You said Roy knocked down Joe so imagine what a prime Roy would do. By your very logic of ATG's getting knocked out, we shouldn't take too from one knockdown Joe received from Roy. Are you seriously saying Joe was at his best at 36? No boxer is in their athletic best in their mid 30's. And Roy did not physically dominate Hopkins. It was an 8-4 type fight. The Toney fight was with a Toney who said he struggled to make weight. Mike McCallum was old when Roy fought him. The fight would be closer than most believe and I have Calzaghe edging him. Be honest, you never saw Roy's prime. It seems obvious to me. How could Joe have edged him, when he had no offensive advantages over him and he had confidence issues? Not only was Roy faster, more powerful and harder to hit, he was also far more accurate, with superior technique and timing. If Joe scraped an S/D over Robin Reid and he was dropped by a euro level fighter because he was always a sucker for a right hand, then he wasn't good enough to have beaten a prime version of Roy. Get some perspective.

The person said look at what Roy did to Joe, he dropped him, ignoring the rest of the entirety of the fight, which is much more indicative. And I could just as easily say, look at how a past prime Joe dominated Roy - imagine what a prime would've done. Their fight was completely pointless. Joe wouldn't go near him when he was prime, but he was happy to fight him when he was shot. He was desperate to end his career with Roy's name on his resume in order to massage his ego and to top up his pension fund. Joe himself said before their fight that Roy had been shot since 2004. Their fight doesn't in any way tell you how an earlier fight would have played out. Glen Johnson bullied Roy for 9 rounds and then knocked him cold over 4 years earlier. Yet who'd seriously give Johnson a chance of beating Roy in his prime? Nobody. What you don't realise is that Roy was a gun shy, near 40 year old fighter that faced Joe, which didn't even resemble the guy who'd dominated the 90's. It was the ghost of Roy Jones. Joe's style was completely different to Roy's. His style was based on his fitness/stamina. Even at 36, Joe's fitness levels and shot output were just the same as they'd always been. If you had a time machine and you could chose any version of Joe to fight Roy, it would basically be the same fighter as from 2008. The versions of Joe who fought Reid, Woodhall, Lacy and Kessler were all the same. Whereas the versions of Roy who'd iced Griffin and Hill were just different fighters to the guy who Joe faced. It would be akin to comparing the versions of Mike Tyson who fought Spinks and Holmes, to the versions who fought Lewis and Williams. Prime for prime, Roy was faster, more powerful and harder to hit than Joe. He was just on another level. I watched both of their careers in their entirety. As great as Joe was, he just wasn't good enough to have beaten Roy in his prime. Roy was beating good fighters without losing rounds, whilst Joe was struggling with Robin Reid and picking himself up off the floor after having shoot outs with Byron Mitchell and Kabary Salem. I think you need to research Roy's career to see just how special he was. He was a phenom.

When was a prime Roy? Roy also had a glass jaw. You've typed out all of those names, yet you don't know when his prime was? Roy never had a great chin, but it wasn't made of glass. Those guys on your list would all have needed the perfect opportunity to have landed on him. Easier said than done. A guy like Canelo would have had no chance of beating Roy. It would have been an easy match up for Roy stylistically.

You said Roy knocked down Joe so imagine what a prime Roy would do. By your very logic of ATG's getting knocked out, we shouldn't take too from one knockdown Joe received from Roy. Are you seriously saying Joe was at his best at 36? No boxer is in their athletic best in their mid 30's. And Roy did not physically dominate Hopkins. It was an 8-4 type fight. The Toney fight was with a Toney who said he struggled to make weight. Mike McCallum was old when Roy fought him. The fight would be closer than most believe and I have Calzaghe edging him. Even Hopkins admits he couldn’t handle a prime Jones... Jones won that fight clear as day. James Toney was consensus P4P top 3 when Jones beat him. How can you try and discredit that win???😂😂 Did you actually follow in the 90’s? I highly doubt you did. Between 93 and 94 Jones done more than Calzaghe did in his entire career.

And I still haven't received a reply from the O.P. Funny how these guys make big claims so loud, but then get quiet when asked to substantiate them. Both guys struggled with speed. Hagler never ever wanted a fight with anyone bigger (which Jones clearly was). I give both a shot at Roy prime for prime out of respect for their resumes

Pacquiao, Duran, Hearns all the way back to guys like Joe Louis all got KTFO, loads of ATG’s did. What a stupid point to make... Calzaghe was arguably in the best form of his career. He was certainly coming off the best win of his career beating a 43 year old Hopkins by SD. Roy Jones completely dominated that same fighter in his physical prime I think that says it all... YDKSAB. You said Roy knocked down Joe so imagine what a prime Roy would do. By your very logic of ATG's getting knocked out, we shouldn't take too from one knockdown Joe received from Roy. Are you seriously saying Joe was at his best at 36? No boxer is in their athletic best in their mid 30's. And Roy did not physically dominate Hopkins. It was an 8-4 type fight. The Toney fight was with a Toney who said he struggled to make weight. Mike McCallum was old when Roy fought him. The fight would be closer than most believe and I have Calzaghe edging him.

How is any of the above relevant? The person said look at what Roy did to Joe, he dropped him, ignoring the rest of the entirety of the fight, which is much more indicative. And I could just as easily say, look at how a past prime Joe dominated Roy - imagine what a prime would've done.

LOVE Roy. He just never recovered from Tarver KO Some ppl blame the HW move and then back down drain

We're talking here about a prime version of Roy. How realistic do you think it would have been for some of those guys above to have beaten him? Canelo? Come on now. When was a prime Roy? Roy also had a glass jaw.

Archie Moore Michael Spinks Bob Foster Billy Conn Sergey Kovalev Dwight Muhammad Qawi Antonio Tarver Joe Calzaghe Andre Ward Nigel Benn Chris Eubank Sugar Ray Robinson Carlos Monzon Marvelous Marvin Hagler Harry Greb James Toney Saul Alvarez Gennadiy Golovkin Sergio Martinez Randolph Turpin Gene Fullmer Bob Fitzsimmons Bernard Hopkins We're talking here about a prime version of Roy. How realistic do you think it would have been for some of those guys above to have beaten him? Canelo? Come on now.

Exactly... I doubt this guy has actually watched Roy in his prime, he probably just remembers the shell of Roy that lost badly to Tarver, Calzaghe, Green, Hopkins etc. Probably. Roy was a phenom in his prime.

Dropped by a forearm. Joe was past prime too. It was his very last fight and he dominated every round after that. And for all the tines he’s been knocked down, he’s never been KTFO’d like Roy. How is any of the above relevant?

Michael Nunn would have beat him and that’s why they never fought. Michael Nunn would have presented Roy with a very difficult match up stylistically. Roy would had to have fought him in an aggressive manner. Roy deserves criticism for how he messed Nunn around in 1997. Personally, I think Roy was in a no-win situation at the time. Nunn was faded but was still a threat, and the fight would have brought very little money in. If he'd looked good, he wouldn't have gotten any credit, but if he'd have looked bad he'd have faced criticism. I don't think Roy feared him though. He'd tried to fight Liles a year earlier. And although Nunn and Liles were different fighters, Liles was just as big of a threat as Nunn, if not more so.