Vasyl Lomachenko
GGG
Manny Pacquiao
Demetrius Andrade
Tevin Farmer
Naoya Inoue
Shakur Stevenson (yep already)
Tank (I wasn't sold on him at 1st & I'm still not 100% but I'm leaning towards he very well might be.)
Errol Spence Jr.
Terence Crawford
Deontay Wilder (I don't think he's nice but his power might really be all he needs)
Honorable Mention:
Haney (I think he's the goods but I need to see him in the trenches)
Usyk (not sold on what he'll do vs better competition)
Teofimo Lopez (Gonna say about 25% out of 100. I feel like he'd beat Haney but I feel Haney will fair better as he moves up in weight)
"If Lomachenko had a difficult fight with Campbell? What does Andrade do if his ability is put in a 135lber?"
I don't like to judge fighters off 1 fight but what Lopez just did most didn't see coming. Loma is still a special fighter but Teo just left the Honorable Mention on my list!
Your mother was delusional when she gave birth to you.
I don't listen to hype I know what I seen & I stand behind what I said.
You can't respond to anything I said with anything credible. Alotta picking & choosing.
Canelo went 12 with Matthew Hatton, old Mosley, Trout, 9 with Liam Smith, this is all at 154 but it's out of the realm of possibility that he can't stop Culcay in Germany. & Vanes can't do similar to what the guys I just named fought Canelo did. 😭😭
Yep I guess it was levels when Floyd fought Manny too. Let's also carefully omitt team GGG didn't wanna fight the guy who actually beat Vanes although he offered to fight that day as well. & let's omitt the fact that Vanes was a career 154lber who was drug up outta retirement before the fight & has been retired ever since the fight. & said he just wanted to feel GGG's power.
Whatever you level you feel like them guys are on they've yet to prove they aren't denying Andrade the opportunity to get in the ring & settle it. #FactzOnly
This guy just compared Shane Mosley to Jack Culcay. :lol1:
As I said DELUSIONAL...
When Andrade has a better win than Vanes then maybe we can talk. Until then nobody who understands boxing is taking him serious as an elite fighter.
You’re completely delusional when it comes to Andrade man. :lol1:
You evidently admire that elusive type style, which is probably why you got sucked in on the Farmer hype train.
Canelo would destroy guys like Culcay and Vanes and that’s coming from guy who’s a huge GGG fan. C’mon man those guys are so basic.
Look how GGG dealt with Vanes, look how Andrade did as I said it’s about levels.
Andrade is yet to prove he is at that level and possibly never will.
Your mother was delusional when she gave birth to you.
I don't listen to hype I know what I seen & I stand behind what I said.
You can't respond to anything I said with anything credible. Alotta picking & choosing.
Canelo went 12 with Matthew Hatton, old Mosley, Trout, 9 with Liam Smith, this is all at 154 but it's out of the realm of possibility that he can't stop Culcay in Germany. & Vanes can't do similar to what the guys I just named fought Canelo did. 😭😭
Floyd Mayweather vs Ricky Hatton, FM TKO10
Manny Pacquiao vs Ricky Hatton, MP KO2
Floyd Mayweather vs Oscar De La Hoya, FM UD 12
Manny Pacquiao vs Oscar De La Hoya, MP TKO8
Yep I guess it was levels when Floyd fought Manny too. Let's also carefully omitt team GGG didn't wanna fight the guy who actually beat Vanes although he offered to fight that day as well. & let's omitt the fact that Vanes was a career 154lber who was drug up outta retirement before the fight & has been retired ever since the fight. & said he just wanted to feel GGG's power.
Whatever you level you feel like them guys are on they've yet to prove they aren't denying Andrade the opportunity to get in the ring & settle it. #FactzOnly
This is for you:
🤦🏽*♂ 😭 If Vanes hadn't KD Andrade it wouldn't even be nothing to talk about. Cause he did nothing else. The man himself has admitted he lost but again certain ppl try to justify a "SD." Punch stats is a Guage point. 60 punch swing, decrease 30 from Andrade & add 30 to Vanes. That's still +60 for Andrade...You know yourself Vanes didn't win so idk what we talking about really.
Again I understand the business. I already said Fury's division in itself is overrated. Impressive & special are two different things.
There's also levels and levels between their privilege as fighters as well, which is the reason Canelo got the Floyd fight which was an "MD" where a lot of ppl thought Floyd 12-0'd him. Does Floyd 12-0 Andrade? I don't think 154 Canelo would stop Culcay in Germany. Not sure about Vanes. Andrade stopped Keeler, (fight coulda actually been waived earlier) but I think Canelo would do it sooner. I think he'd stop Sulecki too. We gonna act like Canelo hasn't been picking who he fights for like a decade tho? & Andrade hasn't been fighting who he can? What would Andrade do to Cotto? Khan? GGG? Rocky Fielding? I never seen Canelo beat anybody I thought Andrade couldn't. & if you're implying he can do to the ppl that you named - to Andrade. Then why isn't he the first Mexican undisputed champion in boxing history like he claimed he wanted? Since his competition is so much better it shoulda been easy. Nothing less than 12-0 or a dominant Rocky Fielding sorta performance since their competition level is about the same right?
You’re completely delusional when it comes to Andrade man. :lol1:
You evidently admire that elusive type style, which is probably why you got sucked in on the Farmer hype train.
Canelo would destroy guys like Culcay and Vanes and that’s coming from guy who’s a huge GGG fan. C’mon man those guys are so basic.
Look how GGG dealt with Vanes, look how Andrade did as I said it’s about levels.
Andrade is yet to prove he is at that level and possibly never will.
Good list but how do you have Wilder and not Fury???
Andrade? Like ppl said SD with Vanes and Culcay aint special.
Farmer? Hell NO!
Tank? Man seeing a gimp go 12 rounds ain't special.
The rest solid.
Put Fury in for Wilder
Put Canelo in for Andrade
How you gonna leave Roman Gonzalez of this list?? Rig?
Add Josh Taylor or Mikey Garcia
This is for you:
The people I get into with on here I try my hardest to make a mental note & never engage with them in any way shape or form. Including going in their threads. So moving forward just don't speak to me blatant or indirectly. Cause I already have intentions to not engage with you. If we was in front of each other it wouldn't be any consistent talk. So why continue to on the Internet
The punch stat stuff is very subjective, compubox is essentially just people pressing buttons. A lot of casuals get sucked in by that sort of stuff. Tevin Farmer is a prime example...
Both Andrade’s fights with Vanes and certainly Culcay were competitive. He deservedly won both but there where competitive. I had both Vanes and Culcay winning around 4 rounds.
So you’re impressed by Andrade looking somewhat impressive against nobodies but Canelo beating Kovalev, Fury beating Wlad/Wilder doesn’t really move the needle for you.
That’s a completely flawed logic man...
Imagine what Canelo would do to Culcay, Vanes, Keeler, Sulecki etc. There’s levels and levels between their respective level of competition.
🤦🏽*♂ 😭 If Vanes hadn't KD Andrade it wouldn't even be nothing to talk about. Cause he did nothing else. The man himself has admitted he lost but again certain ppl try to justify a "SD." Punch stats is a Guage point. 60 punch swing, decrease 30 from Andrade & add 30 to Vanes. That's still +60 for Andrade...You know yourself Vanes didn't win so idk what we talking about really.
Again I understand the business. I already said Fury's division in itself is overrated. Impressive & special are two different things.
There's also levels and levels between their privilege as fighters as well, which is the reason Canelo got the Floyd fight which was an "MD" where a lot of ppl thought Floyd 12-0'd him. Does Floyd 12-0 Andrade? I don't think 154 Canelo would stop Culcay in Germany. Not sure about Vanes. Andrade stopped Keeler, (fight coulda actually been waived earlier) but I think Canelo would do it sooner. I think he'd stop Sulecki too. We gonna act like Canelo hasn't been picking who he fights for like a decade tho? & Andrade hasn't been fighting who he can? What would Andrade do to Cotto? Khan? GGG? Rocky Fielding? I never seen Canelo beat anybody I thought Andrade couldn't. & if you're implying he can do to the ppl that you named - to Andrade. Then why isn't he the first Mexican undisputed champion in boxing history like he claimed he wanted? Since his competition is so much better it shoulda been easy. Nothing less than 12-0 or a dominant Rocky Fielding sorta performance since their competition level is about the same right?
Again bad judging. At least you acknowledge his defensive ability at all. Some pretend it doesn't exist. He's at the top of a lot of defensive statistics which I don't think a lot of people know. & ppl will say it was against "nobodies." But don't a lot of people in boxing fight "nobodies?" I don't see their name on them lists..
You pretty much ignored & disregarded everything I said about Andrade lol.
Boxing is largely about how you are moved. Fury & his competition are vastly overrated. I understand the business. I said before Canelo Kov. I'm not giving credit to whoever wins. It's meaningless & designed to make Canelo look good. So why would I be impressed over something meant to impress casuals?
The punch stat stuff is very subjective, compubox is essentially just people pressing buttons. A lot of casuals get sucked in by that sort of stuff. Tevin Farmer is a prime example...
Both Andrade’s fights with Vanes and certainly Culcay were competitive. He deservedly won both but there where competitive. I had both Vanes and Culcay winning around 4 rounds.
So you’re impressed by Andrade looking somewhat impressive against nobodies but Canelo beating Kovalev, Fury beating Wlad/Wilder doesn’t really move the needle for you.
That’s a completely flawed logic man...
Imagine what Canelo would do to Culcay, Vanes, Keeler, Sulecki etc. There’s levels and levels between their respective level of competition.
Diaz dominated that fight. Fair play for admitting you got it wrong, I thought this was a new thread which is why I was so taken aback by Farmer. I always knew that guy didn’t have the goods, only looked good against C level fighters.
Andrade is pretty similar IMO. I only had him edging Vanes and Culcay and neither men are world beaters. People try and make out he’s some defensive wizard but he’s just athletic with solid reflexes. He’s nothing special IMO, I like Andrade though, met the guy in Vegas, he was cool so I don’t mind if I’m wrong...
I rate Shakur highly too, I did a thread not too long ago saying if I had to pick a guy to be the man over the next decade I’d go with him. We just don’t have the evidence to back up those claims yet though.
As I said dude, the rest of the list is fine by me. Fury and Canelo are definitely special talents though, what other 6 ft 9 man can move like that, what other 5 ft 8 fighter is knocking out light heavyweight’s?
Roman Gonzalez is really one to go back and watch man, if you enjoy elite fighting, you’ll enjoy watching him. 👍🏻
Again bad judging. At least you acknowledge his defensive ability at all. Some pretend it doesn't exist. He's at the top of a lot of defensive statistics which I don't think a lot of people know. & ppl will say it was against "nobodies." But don't a lot of people in boxing fight "nobodies?" I don't see their name on them lists..
You pretty much ignored & disregarded everything I said about Andrade lol.
Boxing is largely about how you are moved. Fury & his competition are vastly overrated. I understand the business. I said before Canelo Kov. I'm not giving credit to whoever wins. It's meaningless & designed to make Canelo look good. So why would I be impressed over something meant to impress casuals?
It seems sometimes ya'll see what you wanna see. Check the date on the OP. JoJo's performance was nothing that should be ever classified as outclassed. You think JoJo Diaz "outclassed" farmer. But see nothing wrong with you saying "SD over Vanes" make it makes cause it don't. JoJo had a clear win, outclass tho? No. I saw Farmer looking like something was mentally off with him as I said before on here & I believe that he's a better more capable fighter than what he showed that night. I may have underestimated his lack of power but that's a whole nother discussion. I'll bite the bullet for now.
As for the SD:
Split decision?? LMAO !!!! pic.twitter.com/41Ruu7WiZr— Demetrius Andrade (@BooBooAndrade) June 9, 2019
I honestly feel only certain type of ppl bring up this being a "SD" when talking about this fight. I actually watched this a few months ago & iirc outside of the KD "every round Vanes 'won' was debatable!" I saw 3 rounds for Vanes if you wanna be generous & give him those rounds. But I'd love for somebody to show me 6 rounds (cuz we gotta include the KD) that Vanes won. Why nobody talks about how the commentators Lampley, Kellerman, & RJJ was talking about how bad the scorecards were? I could go on about bad judging being brought up when it's convenient. But I'll stop there..
You pretty much agree Loma, Bud, & Spence are special. Loma was telling Andrade how he was unstoppable back in their amateur days & since he ain't loss yet, looks to still be true + I don't favor anyone to beat him. If Lomachenko had a difficult fight with Campbell? What does Andrade do if his ability is put in a 135lber? Bud & his team know how avoided Andrade is. Bud said Andrade was one of the greatest talents he ever seen! Spence just went through a tough fight with Porter. Some say it was "life & death." That same Porter said he feels Andrade is P4P#1. Spence said he would go to 160 for Canelo. He said the fight with him & Andrade would be a good fight but he doesn't "feel like" moving up all of a sudden... If Bud & Spence is "50-50" in the publics eyes than what does Andrade do against a guy who feels he's one if the greatest talents he's seen & another guy who don't really wanna fight him? All the professionals know wassup man. But the fans can see a different story. I have a thread in the works about Andrade & the guy you think is "special" with professionals speaking on it, not fans I hope to see you in there.
I've seen almost everything I need to see from Shakur. He's special. I have no doubts & I'm open to criticism if he's not an ATG when it's all said & done.
Fury is a good fighter, Canelo is a great fighter. Special to me they are not from what I seen. Do you want me to go into detail as to why they aren't as well IMO?
I don't follow lower weights like that.
Diaz dominated that fight. Fair play for admitting you got it wrong, I thought this was a new thread which is why I was so taken aback by Farmer. I always knew that guy didn’t have the goods, only looked good against C level fighters.
Andrade is pretty similar IMO. I only had him edging Vanes and Culcay and neither men are world beaters. People try and make out he’s some defensive wizard but he’s just athletic with solid reflexes. He’s nothing special IMO, I like Andrade though, met the guy in Vegas, he was cool so I don’t mind if I’m wrong...
I rate Shakur highly too, I did a thread not too long ago saying if I had to pick a guy to be the man over the next decade I’d go with him. We just don’t have the evidence to back up those claims yet though.
As I said dude, the rest of the list is fine by me. Fury and Canelo are definitely special talents though, what other 6 ft 9 man can move like that, what other 5 ft 8 fighter is knocking out light heavyweight’s?
Roman Gonzalez is really one to go back and watch man, if you enjoy elite fighting, you’ll enjoy watching him. 👍🏻
Hea clearly trolling with both the slight at Usyk and the blatant omission of Fury.
I have a thread discussing Fury being special on the same page, it isn't coincidence.
Dude thinks hes clever but he DKSAB like his name says.
I never trolled a day in my life, I wasn't even raised like that. & you delusional as hell if you think I pay attention to what you do on the site. I don't even know what thread you talking about if I'm lying god take my soul right now. I think sum of you dudes have a mental illness the way ya'll interact on the internet. You been on me since I replied back to you the other day & you conveniently went ghost from. 🤔 I'm here to talk real boxing perspectives, I don't troll. The people I get into with on here I try my hardest to make a mental note & never engage with them in any way shape or form. Including going in their threads. So moving forward just don't speak to me blatant or indirectly. Cause I already have intentions to not engage with you. If we was in front of each other it wouldn't be any consistent talk. So why continue to on the Internet? & that's the difference between real nigģas & the trolling type!
Tevin Farmer... :lol1: He’s barely even world class, JoJo outclassed him just as I predicted. Farmer is grossly overrated man.
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=839155
Andrade is another shocker tbh bro. His best win is a SD over Vanes, hardly screams special talent...
Shakur needs to at least beat a world class fighter before we christen him as a “special” talent but he has tremendous potential.
The rest of the list I can get behind though.
Missing out Fury and Canelo is laughable too. :lol1:
Do you follow the lower weight classes??? Roman Gonzalez and Juan Francisco Estrada both deserve a mention at the very least.
It seems sometimes ya'll see what you wanna see. Check the date on the OP. JoJo's performance was nothing that should be ever classified as outclassed. You think JoJo Diaz "outclassed" farmer. But see nothing wrong with you saying "SD over Vanes" make it makes cause it don't. JoJo had a clear win, outclass tho? No. I saw Farmer looking like something was mentally off with him as I said before on here & I believe that he's a better more capable fighter than what he showed that night. I may have underestimated his lack of power but that's a whole nother discussion. I'll bite the bullet for now.
As for the SD:
Split decision?? LMAO !!!! pic.twitter.com/41Ruu7WiZr— Demetrius Andrade (@BooBooAndrade) June 9, 2019
I honestly feel only certain type of ppl bring up this being a "SD" when talking about this fight. I actually watched this a few months ago & iirc outside of the KD "every round Vanes 'won' was debatable!" I saw 3 rounds for Vanes if you wanna be generous & give him those rounds. But I'd love for somebody to show me 6 rounds (cuz we gotta include the KD) that Vanes won. Why nobody talks about how the commentators Lampley, Kellerman, & RJJ was talking about how bad the scorecards were? I could go on about bad judging being brought up when it's convenient. But I'll stop there..
You pretty much agree Loma, Bud, & Spence are special. Loma was telling Andrade how he was unstoppable back in their amateur days & since he ain't loss yet, looks to still be true + I don't favor anyone to beat him. If Lomachenko had a difficult fight with Campbell? What does Andrade do if his ability is put in a 135lber? Bud & his team know how avoided Andrade is. Bud said Andrade was one of the greatest talents he ever seen! Spence just went through a tough fight with Porter. Some say it was "life & death." That same Porter said he feels Andrade is P4P#1. Spence said he would go to 160 for Canelo. He said the fight with him & Andrade would be a good fight but he doesn't "feel like" moving up all of a sudden... If Bud & Spence is "50-50" in the publics eyes than what does Andrade do against a guy who feels he's one if the greatest talents he's seen & another guy who don't really wanna fight him? All the professionals know wassup man. But the fans can see a different story. I have a thread in the works about Andrade & the guy you think is "special" with professionals speaking on it, not fans I hope to see you in there.
I've seen almost everything I need to see from Shakur. He's special. I have no doubts & I'm open to criticism if he's not an ATG when it's all said & done.
Fury is a good fighter, Canelo is a great fighter. Special to me they are not from what I seen. Do you want me to go into detail as to why they aren't as well IMO?
I don't follow lower weights like that.
The special talents in boxing are:
- Crawford
- Inuoe
- Shakur
- Anthony Joshua
- Rigo (but he’s past his prime).
- And Loma and Haney are borderline special. Loma is very good but I’ll like to see him dominate someone his size. Haney has been great lately, perhaps due to matchup but I watched some of his fights two years ago and I wasn’t that impressed.
AJ is special but Loma is borderline. FFS man... :lol1:
Canelo , Mikey Garcia , David , Benavidez , Estrada , Jose Ramirez , Zurdo Ramirez , Luis Nery , Virgil Ortiz , Andy Ruiz , Navarrete , Ryan Garcia , Rey Vargas , Berchelt , Leo Santa Cruz & Diego Pacheco just to name a few.
Google Search: Mexican Professional Boxers. :lol1:
Hea clearly trolling with both the slight at Usyk and the blatant omission of Fury.
I have a thread discussing Fury being special on the same page, it isn't coincidence.
Dude thinks hes clever but he DKSAB like his name says.
The omissions of Fury/Canelo had me wondering whether this was troll job too tbh.
Vasyl Lomachenko
GGG
Manny Pacquiao
Demetrius Andrade
Tevin Farmer
Naoya Inoue
Shakur Stevenson (yep already)
Tank (I wasn't sold on him at 1st & I'm still not 100% but I'm leaning towards he very well might be.)
Errol Spence Jr.
Terence Crawford
Deontay Wilder (I don't think he's nice but his power might really be all he needs)
Honorable Mention:
Haney (I think he's the goods but I need to see him in the trenches)
Usyk (not sold on what he'll do vs better competition)
Teofimo Lopez (Gonna say about 25% out of 100. I feel like he'd beat Haney but I feel Haney will fair better as he moves up in weight)
Tevin Farmer... :lol1: He’s barely even world class, JoJo outclassed him just as I predicted. Farmer is grossly overrated man.
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=839155
Andrade is another shocker tbh bro. His best win is a SD over Vanes, hardly screams special talent...
Shakur needs to at least beat a world class fighter before we christen him as a “special” talent but he has tremendous potential.
The rest of the list I can get behind though.
Missing out Fury and Canelo is laughable too. :lol1:
Do you follow the lower weight classes??? Roman Gonzalez and Juan Francisco Estrada both deserve a mention at the very least.