State of the Welterweight Division

As long as they don't try to put em on PPV any mix of Crawford , Thurman , Garcia or Porter's fine with me. I can do without Ugas in the mix. Not really a fan of his style.

- -Kermit is 5-7, but he has a lanky feel to him because of his reach and lean physiotype. We have a 6-7 welter today. Prob going nowhere, yet instructive as to what young men can boil down to under modern weighin rules. Kermit is 5'11". I've seen him in person. And I am 5'7". He was taller than me.

Until Spence recovers, I'll go with something like: Pacquiao vs Garcia Thurman vs Crawford Porter vs Ugas rematch I like all of those fights.

- -Ugas tries to light a pilot light and blows hisself up. Bad gas happens... That can happen sometimes when you want that smoke lol.

Due to the unexpected and unfortunate car accident involving Errol Spence Jr., What fights would you like to see now for 2020 since we do not know exactly how long it will take EJ to rehab from any injuries he may have suffered??? Manny Pacquiao is there, along with Terrence Crawford, Keith Thurman, Shawn Porter, Danny Garcia, Yordenis Ugas, and (I will even mention him because he refuses to go away) Amir Khan. I am not going to list my picks. I want to hear from the fans. Also let it be known of fighters you may want to see move down in weight or those that you think can drop down in weight. Until Spence recovers, I'll go with something like: Pacquiao vs Garcia Thurman vs Crawford Porter vs Ugas rematch

I dont know. I just see Errol Spence as a natural sized welterweight to me. To me Kell Brook seemed like a bigger welterweight than him. Kermit Cintron was like a gigantic welterweight to me due to his height. - -Kermit is 5-7, but he has a lanky feel to him because of his reach and lean physiotype. We have a 6-7 welter today. Prob going nowhere, yet instructive as to what young men can boil down to under modern weighin rules.

Due to the unexpected and unfortunate car accident involving Errol Spence Jr., What fights would you like to see now for 2020 since we do not know exactly how long it will take EJ to rehab from any injuries he may have Manny Pacquiao is there, along with Terrence Crawford, Keith Thurman, Shawn Porter, Danny Garcia, Yordenis Ugas, and (I will even mention him because he refuses to go away) Amir Khan. I am not going to list my picks. I want to hear from the fans. Also let it be known of fighters you may want to see move down in weight or those that you think can drop down in weight. - -Ugas tries to light a pilot light and blows hisself up. Bad gas happens...

the **** for?..pac just beat thurman while khan has not been relevant for years now let that irrelevant ww fight someone who has not done **** at ww too like mike garcia... pac deserves a better fight people as old as he is, he's still done more in the division than anyone! That’s why Pac needs to ride into the sunset with that victory before it gets ugly... Who u want for him crawford? Lol who else is relevant at welter? I picked khan as it is a money fight regardless of how BS it is and a relatively safe highlight reel farewell KO for pac.. Don’t get me wrong.. i’m a huge fan.. just don’t want him overstaying

Pac vs KHAN then winner and loser retires Crawford vs porter.. i bet porter gives him the same hell he gave spence... might even have a better chance of winning as crawford ain’t that big Danny vs keith rematch.. winner gets spence lol the **** for?..pac just beat thurman while khan has not been relevant for years now let that irrelevant ww fight someone who has not done **** at ww too like mike garcia... pac deserves a better fight people as old as he is, he's still done more in the division than anyone!

PBC Elites: GrandPac vs. Porter DSG vs. Lipinets TR/Matchroom Elites: AK vs. Mikey Crawford vs. Hooker The Rest: Thurman vs. Broner Alvarado vs. Collazo

Bud also has less power and size.. it didn’t matter how good Floyd’s jab was when he fought hatton.. hatton was able to close the gap... porter is by no means flatfooted and will be able to come close... then we’ll know what bud is also made of when it comes to inside fighting. Agree to disagree when it comes to pacman against porter.. pacman obviously tires out now and take some rounds off — understandable with his age.. he was gassed against thurman who didn’t apply much pressure.. In his prime pacman would put a hurting on a raging porter probably with uppercuts, but at 40? Nahh.. we saw how uncomfortable he was with horn’s relentless pursuit.. and porter is better than horn.. better at cutting the ring.. better jab.. better body work... and more durable Porter was able to bully and push a gigantic welter in spence (which of course was a surprised).. i dont think he’d have a problem tiring and tying out an old pacman into the corners.. Of course pacman can hurt and time porter.... but the pace if goes to deep waters will not be suitable for a 40 plus yr old high mileage fighter... and im a big fkn fan.. I’d fancy pacs chances against spence than against porter.. atleast with spence he’ll have room to breathe and operate as he had with thurman.. he can also outspeed him a bit.. I dont know. I just see Errol Spence as a natural sized welterweight to me. To me Kell Brook seemed like a bigger welterweight than him. Kermit Cintron was like a gigantic welterweight to me due to his height. Shawn Porter fought at a heavier weight class in the amateurs in spite of his height and now at the welterweight division he is able to bull a lot of guys except for, Brook and Thurman. I watched that Manny Pacquiao vs Jeff Horn fight from start to finish. I couldn't believe that it was happening that way right in front of my eyes. The referee was non existent and they went into straight Aussie rules. Manny should have went for the kill in that round 9 or 10 and ended it. At the end of the final bell I still thought Manny did enough to win. It just seemed like Arum was washing his hands of Manny at that point. I dont think Freddie will allow Manny to go back down memory lane in a fight with Porter, but I am still going to place Manny above most of the other top welterweights there are.

With the situation at hand idk that I wanna see Errol do ANYTHING in 2020 quite yet. Being that we actually havent even seen him yet or know how this accident has impacted him to grasp his mental state or confirm the physical state of him I cool taking a step back & letting Errol figure out what he wants to do. I mean this was no Thurman fender bender type accident. Errol easily could be dead from his accident. So I got no demands of him as a fan & could fully understand him not fighting for a prolonged period of time &/or taking a soft touch in his first fight back when he does decide to come back. Hell I wouldnt expect this to happen, but after an event like this its even possible he decides he doesnt want to box anymore at all who f#cking knows. Which is exactly why I left him out of the mix up for 2020. There are so many questions that go unanswered right now. Even if or when he is able to continue is there going to be a visible difference between pre accident Errol Jr. and post accident Errol Jr.? I just want him to take his time with recovery and not rush back. Boxing isnt going anywhere.

I think Bud has a better jab than Spence. When I fought I didnt throw a jab at you or to touch you. I threw it through you. That one punch makes a difference in any fight, and coming from both stances as Crawford may have a chance at keeping the bull at bay. But that's why we want to see the fight. I called Manny over Keith from the beginning, and I will call him over Porter if they fight as well. Manny just has too much experience, not in terms of what he has made look easy, but in terms of what he has fought through. I think Manny wont show a sharp decline until the end of 2020. Mikey I didnt even put on the list. Not because I dont like him or respect his talent, it's just that his talent is suited for a well matched welterweight. He cant just jump in with any top welter like Manny. I said Danny was anxious. He wants to be the guy again. Anyone that he fights next is going to be in for a hard fight. Thurman has to stay healthy. That's my biggest thing with him. Long layoffs dont do him any justice. Bud also has less power and size.. it didn’t matter how good Floyd’s jab was when he fought hatton.. hatton was able to close the gap... porter is by no means flatfooted and will be able to come close... then we’ll know what bud is also made of when it comes to inside fighting. Agree to disagree when it comes to pacman against porter.. pacman obviously tires out now and take some rounds off — understandable with his age.. he was gassed against thurman who didn’t apply much pressure.. In his prime pacman would put a hurting on a raging porter probably with uppercuts, but at 40? Nahh.. we saw how uncomfortable he was with horn’s relentless pursuit.. and porter is better than horn.. better at cutting the ring.. better jab.. better body work... and more durable Porter was able to bully and push a gigantic welter in spence (which of course was a surprised).. i dont think he’d have a problem tiring and tying out an old pacman into the corners.. Of course pacman can hurt and time porter.... but the pace if goes to deep waters will not be suitable for a 40 plus yr old high mileage fighter... and im a big fkn fan.. I’d fancy pacs chances against spence than against porter.. atleast with spence he’ll have room to breathe and operate as he had with thurman.. he can also outspeed him a bit..

when the king.. in any political power position dies unexpectely.. turmoil ... battles for the thrown..guys who used to have respect and fear.. suddenly feel.. they need to grap that crown.. that is what we are watching now. when the jews lost a king.. power struggles ensued.. same chit *** Yo Z that typhoon made the news over here. You gonna be good? They calling for evacuations.

Pacquiao still has 1-2 fights left than retires. Thurman needs a comeback fight, could be Ugas? Crawford will probably fight Kavaliauskas, and than maybe even Collazo -Uzbek winner. If Spence gets stripped because of inactivity, Porter/Thurman/Ugas/danny are main candidates for his belts. Yea I dont like Bud being stuck fighting these mandatory names. I see Spence getting stripped.

Crawford needs to cross the street. Or tell Arum to open up the wallet and pay for Porter to fight him on ESPN. Just like DAZN paid for Jose Ramirez to fight Hooker. I agree completely.

Crawford needs to cross the street. Or tell Arum to open up the wallet and pay for Porter to fight him on ESPN. Just like DAZN paid for Jose Ramirez to fight Hooker.

when the king.. in any political power position dies unexpectely.. turmoil ... battles for the thrown..guys who used to have respect and fear.. suddenly feel.. they need to grap that crown.. that is what we are watching now. when the jews lost a king.. power struggles ensued.. same chit Calm down Z. They not fighting over drug money lol. But yes. I totally get where you're coming from. There are two belts possibly up for grabs right now and if Spence is able to defend any of them, he is in for a hell of a fight. It just was a weird twist of fate for Spence. Life changes in the blink of an eye. You and I both know it. It's always the same in any war. The spoils go to the victor. And welterweight just went into a free for all.

Nah... even floyd won’t be able to use his distance skill with that version of porter. Unless porter lets them. He will hug, bully and wrestle you.. and personally I like watching the intensity — unless it’s against pacman who i see him winning against at this point. He going to wear the old man.. Porter will also do damage to that chubby version of Mikey garcia at welter i see him knocking him out via non stop wrestling... or the likes of marquez (pre hulk or even the hulk version) just not a true welter. If Thurman never gets back to his top form then i see garcia having a good chance of hurting him next time they see each other... that might make fans actually want to see him against spence. I think Bud has a better jab than Spence. When I fought I didnt throw a jab at you or to touch you. I threw it through you. That one punch makes a difference in any fight, and coming from both stances as Crawford may have a chance at keeping the bull at bay. But that's why we want to see the fight. I called Manny over Keith from the beginning, and I will call him over Porter if they fight as well. Manny just has too much experience, not in terms of what he has made look easy, but in terms of what he has fought through. I think Manny wont show a sharp decline until the end of 2020. Mikey I didnt even put on the list. Not because I dont like him or respect his talent, it's just that his talent is suited for a well matched welterweight. He cant just jump in with any top welter like Manny. I said Danny was anxious. He wants to be the guy again. Anyone that he fights next is going to be in for a hard fight. Thurman has to stay healthy. That's my biggest thing with him. Long layoffs dont do him any justice.

when the king.. in any political power position dies unexpectely.. turmoil ... battles for the thrown..guys who used to have respect and fear.. suddenly feel.. they need to grap that crown.. that is what we are watching now. when the jews lost a king.. power struggles ensued.. same chit