"The Cat" Usyk vs "Rocky" Marciano in a war: who wins?

People will look at the Usyk fight today and think Marciano, but Marciano was 5”9 and 67 inch reach or so ,he’s not getting near Usyk who could weigh 200 for that fight and he operates better at that weight unless he’s fighting guys above 230 . It probably goes the distance .in a lopsided fight ,I don’t even think Chisora won more then 4 rounds ,the first judge had it right at least no way it was 115 to 113 . Marciano knew how to close the distance, it would be a chess match but I do give Usyk the edge in being able to control the distance.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 usyk would be lucky not to be killed Usyk stops Rock in a bloodbath. :boxing:

Usyk takes Rocky to deep waters and drowns him.

Fury is the HW Mayweather. The HW Sweet Pea. The HW Locche.

This is a good post by you, at least you have explained in detail your opinions. Anyway remember what I have stated on this thread, and we can both sit back and watch? It all unfold in Usyk's career, and how people are going to dramatically change their perceptions and opinions of him in due time 'It is going to happen'. The man is not a bad fighter, but he is as sure as anything not? This all time great, master technician which is a perception within the boxing community that is continually being enforced upon our minds 'I don't believe it'. Usyk is not in Floyd Mayweather's league, he is a fundamentally sound boxer with no glaring weaknesses but no outright special gifts 'And at heavyweight he may have some success, but his abilities are just not good enough negate and bridge the gap to the big boys in my opinion'. Just look at how timid, his heavyweight campaign has been so far 'I don't see any conviction within the man, him and his entire team are just hoping to politically side step certain fighters and land a fight with the major players' which will back fire very badly. 100% agreed, I've been saying all of that for ages and I'm an old Usyk fan. The problem is that new fans buy into the establishment produced hype and start making guys out to be invincible, they probably only see highlight videos of fighters when they are having success in a fight. They'll jump off the bandwagon instantly after a loss. I like when you support a fighter and their only fans are enthusiastic hardcores but then after some time and increase in popularity 95% of the new fans make the old fans look bad and make you want to distance yourself from them EDIT: The comparison to Mayweather in my other post was purely to describe a fighter with ring IQ, not as a comparison of their overall abilities and accomplishments

The conditioning of Rocky would be key, assuming they were roughly the same size as each other I think Rocky's endurance would play key here. He would work Usyk down and start to get the better of Usyk as the fight goes on later down the stretch. I don't think Usyk could last 15 rounds with that guy at all.

Easy win for Usyk Rocky too small he was around 185 lbs Usyk ko him

Rocky was 185lbs fighting shot lightheavies who movied up and 38 year old shot former champions Then a bunch of cab drivers with losing records.

Lol. few factors I'll go through (I'm drunk af)). Usyk is overrated, I agree. He was being outboxed by Bellew, I agree (also by Hunter). Usyk is also a slow starter though, and doesn't mind being outboxed 'slightly' if it's within his expectations. He is a high IQ fighter and slowly turns up the heat as the fight progresses, and always finishes much stronger than his opponent. His greatest attribute is his cardio and high ring IQ. Usyk could fight Bellew 1000 times and beat him 1000 times but look like chit 1000 times out of 1000 for the first 5 rounds. He isn't the most entertaining fighter but you'd be a fool to underestimate his fighting IQ. There are literally 'tens' of factors running through your head as a fighter if you are intelligent like Mayweather, Usyk etc. and you are constantly gauging your opponents' strengths and weaknesses throughout a fight/boxing match. Usyk hansn't come up short thus far for a reason., Marciano is a legend, not many would dispute that. But he is a legend of his era, and that era has been surpassed significantly. EDIT; Also agree that Holyfield AND Haye make better HWs than Usyk. Price and Chisora most definitely can beat Usyk. This is a good post by you, at least you have explained in detail your opinions. Anyway remember what I have stated on this thread, and we can both sit back and watch? It all unfold in Usyk's career, and how people are going to dramatically change their perceptions and opinions of him in due time 'It is going to happen'. The man is not a bad fighter, but he is as sure as anything not? This all time great, master technician which is a perception within the boxing community that is continually being enforced upon our minds 'I don't believe it'. Usyk is not in Floyd Mayweather's league, he is a fundamentally sound boxer with no glaring weaknesses but no outright special gifts 'And at heavyweight he may have some success, but his abilities are just not good enough negate and bridge the gap to the big boys in my opinion'. Just look at how timid, his heavyweight campaign has been so far 'I don't see any conviction within the man, him and his entire team are just hoping to politically side step certain fighters and land a fight with the major players' which will back fire very badly.

What ability? People speak as if Usyk has revolutionize boxing from a technical perspective, doing things boxing fans have never seen before. His boxing skills are completely and utterly overrated, he was being out boxed by Tony Bellew 'Who was dead at the weight, by the time he moved back down to cruiser-weight'. There is not one attribute, whether it be physical or technical which Usyk has which you can describe as great. Usyk does not hit particular hard, his defense is really simple, and his speed is nothing special. Usyk is just a fundamentally sound fighter, who is good in every area. When you are a fighter moving up through the weight classes, you need a area of your game which is great. David Haye had abnormal punching power, speed and immense defensive capabilities, Evander Holyfield had near physical Invulnerability, immense physical strength, a great engine couple with complete all around boxing skills 'Holyfield was a complete fighter, there was nothing inside of the ring he could not do'. I have stated this afew times? I would give David Price & Derek Chisora a chance of being Usyk, I honestly do not understand the mass hysteria over his boxing skills or ability as a fighter. It is really bizarre, it is as if people are suffering from cognitive dissonance 'Did anybody see his last fight? And people within the boxing community are trying to insinuate that Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua etc are afraid our weary of Usyk? Very bizzare behavior, but I think it is just the way society is going, 'None of the top heavyweights are afraid of Oleksandr Usyk'. Lol. few factors I'll go through (I'm drunk af)). Usyk is overrated, I agree. He was being outboxed by Bellew, I agree (also by Hunter). Usyk is also a slow starter though, and doesn't mind being outboxed 'slightly' if it's within his expectations. He is a high IQ fighter and slowly turns up the heat as the fight progresses, and always finishes much stronger than his opponent. His greatest attribute is his cardio and high ring IQ. Usyk could fight Bellew 1000 times and beat him 1000 times but look like chit 1000 times out of 1000 for the first 5 rounds. He isn't the most entertaining fighter but you'd be a fool to underestimate his fighting IQ. There are literally 'tens' of factors running through your head as a fighter if you are intelligent like Mayweather, Usyk etc. and you are constantly gauging your opponents' strengths and weaknesses throughout a fight/boxing match. Usyk hansn't come up short thus far for a reason., Marciano is a legend, not many would dispute that. But he is a legend of his era, and that era has been surpassed significantly. EDIT; Also agree that Holyfield AND Haye make better HWs than Usyk. Price and Chisora most definitely can beat Usyk.

Archie Moore - 188lbs, 5'11", 38 years old Ezzard Charles - 192.5lbs, 6'0", 33 years old Joe Louis - 207lbs, 6'2", 37 years old, previously retired Joe Walcott - 194lbs, 6'0", 39 years old Gassiev - 198.5lbs, 6'4", 24 years old Bellew - 199lbs, 6'3", 35 years old Briedis - 199lbs, 6'1", 33 years old Glowacki - 199lbs, 6'0", 30 years old Marciano - 188lbs, 5'10 Usyk - 215lbs, 6'3 Marciano's opponents physically don't compare giving their age and size to Usyks opponent who could gain another 10+lbs on fight night and are much less worn in general. Usyks opponents are talented even if you argue Marcianos opposition was more so my opinion is their size and youth makes them harder fights. I'd have to put my money on Usyk as Marciano never got to fight anyone elite in their prime or as big Usyk.

If someone with Usyk's ability was fighting in the 40s or 50s he'd probably be talked about as the undisputed GOAT today. The way I see it is Gassiev would bully Marciano and Marciano's era was primitive compared to today What ability? People speak as if Usyk has revolutionize boxing from a technical perspective, doing things boxing fans have never seen before. His boxing skills are completely and utterly overrated, he was being out boxed by Tony Bellew 'Who was dead at the weight, by the time he moved back down to cruiser-weight'. There is not one attribute, whether it be physical or technical which Usyk has which you can describe as great. Usyk does not hit particular hard, his defense is really simple, and his speed is nothing special. Usyk is just a fundamentally sound fighter, who is good in every area. When you are a fighter moving up through the weight classes, you need a area of your game which is great. David Haye had abnormal punching power, speed and immense defensive capabilities, Evander Holyfield had near physical Invulnerability, immense physical strength, a great engine couple with complete all around boxing skills 'Holyfield was a complete fighter, there was nothing inside of the ring he could not do'. I have stated this afew times? I would give David Price & Derek Chisora a chance of being Usyk, I honestly do not understand the mass hysteria over his boxing skills or ability as a fighter. It is really bizarre, it is as if people are suffering from cognitive dissonance 'Did anybody see his last fight? And people within the boxing community are trying to insinuate that Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua etc are afraid our weary of Usyk? Very bizzare behavior, but I think it is just the way society is going, 'None of the top heavyweights are afraid of Oleksandr Usyk'.

If someone with Usyk's ability was fighting in the 40s or 50s he'd probably be talked about as the undisputed GOAT today. The way I see it is Gassiev would bully Marciano and Marciano's era was primitive compared to today

Correct. Holyfield was a proven drug cheat. This is why I don't support him or his entire run at heavyweight. He was even juicing at cruiser. Holyfield is an ATG.

Dempsey was never accused of being on steroids. I really enjoyed watching Holyfield fight and admired him but there is strong circumstantial evidence he was on something. Correct. Holyfield was a proven drug cheat. This is why I don't support him or his entire run at heavyweight. He was even juicing at cruiser.

That's a pretty weak response. Don't use boxrec or YouTube and I will agree with you. Sorry if you are making an allegation like that you need to provide some proof. He grew up in an area where the Italian Mafia was prevalent. Not knowing someone connected was unlikely. Mobsters liked hanging around with celebrities it gave them some legitimacy or so they thought. Show me something that proves his fights were fixed. Nat Fleisher checked into his record and as far as he was concerned it was legitimate. Well said. He was legit.

You're a cute kid. I do appreciate your posts. And I think you have the potential to really "get things". So don't let my post seem dismissive or harsh. If not for my criticism how else would you grow? Usyk came of age in a very different era than Marciano. Look at football: no matter how good you are, you do not sign right out of high school. I think a lot of guys would argue that straight out of college you're really not ready either. But a Minor League really wouldn't work. And you're always worried about accumulating injuries derailing promising careers before they even start. The moment a kid first puts on his gear, it's a race against time. Baseball doesn't have A minor league. It has many. Players aren't even expected to hit their prime until they're intheir 30's, and great pitchers are defined by decades of play. I'll be the first to say football has gotten too soft. And Baseball is too diluted. Ithink i've ranted about that enough on these boards in my tangetns. The point remains, sport has changed tremendously over generations. Usyk has never fought anyone w/ a losing record, or anything resembling it. In fact, many of his opponents were undefeated. He won his championship w/in 10 pro-fights. No one knew if Marciano would ever become a contender, let alone consider matching him w/ a top 10 Heavyweight in his first 10 fights. And even you will admit he would have lost to the current champion (badly) at that point. So yeah, Usyk hasn't hobbled through a dozen or so Phil Muscatos to break himself out of the local circuit. He didn't get a gift decision over a Roland LaStarza (fight 25) to become a contender. Can yo ushow me footge of an oppoent of Marciano who looks as good as Gasiev? :lol1: You're a known troll / alt, don't blow a blood vessel. You fostering growth in me? 'Wraps? Imagine.

Do some research outside of YouTube and BoxRec. That's a pretty weak response. Don't use boxrec or YouTube and I will agree with you. Sorry if you are making an allegation like that you need to provide some proof. He grew up in an area where the Italian Mafia was prevalent. Not knowing someone connected was unlikely. Mobsters liked hanging around with celebrities it gave them some legitimacy or so they thought. Show me something that proves his fights were fixed. Nat Fleisher checked into his record and as far as he was concerned it was legitimate.

Do some research outside of YouTube and BoxRec. That a pretty weak response. Point me to something that corraborates your innuendo that his fights were fixed. He was the son of Italian immigrant's growing up in an area rife with Mafia. It was part of life in those days. Yeah he knew and associated with Mafia figures but show me proof he had his fights fixed. You can't it's all based on hearsay and guilt by association.

Baloney. All the fights I've seen him in his opponents were fighting to win not looking for a place to fall down. Do some research outside of YouTube and BoxRec.