Can we please stop trying to make average boxers great?

when the hell did i ever say that? You didn’t deny it when I said earlier I assume you’re one of those guys. So, who the hell did Canelo ever beat? Based on your criteria. Golovkin, Lara and Jacobs are nobodies to you. Don’t tell me the “names” of washed up Mosley and Cotto blow you away that much?

Ok, so who’s Canelos best “win”? Golovkin? And he beat whom? Lara? And Lara beat whom? Jacobs? You’ve got Canelo as a top 10/20 ATG and you’ve said previously there’s no such thing as a bad scorecard or decision and Canelo was one round from a draw with Jacobs and one round from a loss and a draw with the terrible Golovkin. Dereyvchenko was like two rounds from a Golovkin win and one round from a Jacobs draw. So your saying Canelo is a top 10/20, he’s blown you away but his best wins are controversial decisions over nobodies? And one of those he got a “draw” with? In reality you’ve really just said Canelo is about on par with Broner (who you’ve said is better than GGG) but then again, isn’t this what you’d said all along? when the hell did i ever say that?

Not everybody agrees on who is great and who isn't. I know I don't Some boxers most think are great I don't think are great and others I think were great many don't agree.

Theres only one great fighter currently still fighting and that is pacman...

and those 2 beat whom? none of these guy have beaten anyone worth a damn man Ok, so who’s Canelos best “win”? Golovkin? And he beat whom? Lara? And Lara beat whom? Jacobs? You’ve got Canelo as a top 10/20 ATG and you’ve said previously there’s no such thing as a bad scorecard or decision and Canelo was one round from a draw with Jacobs and one round from a loss and a draw with the terrible Golovkin. Dereyvchenko was like two rounds from a Golovkin win and one round from a Jacobs draw. So your saying Canelo is a top 10/20, he’s blown you away but his best wins are controversial decisions over nobodies? And one of those he got a “draw” with? In reality you’ve really just said Canelo is about on par with Broner (who you’ve said is better than GGG) but then again, isn’t this what you’d said all along?

You mean like tank who was automatically a great fighter or the second coming because he’s managed by Floyd, like BRONER was made into a monster because he could make lighter weights, every generation has a dozen or so overhyped fighters who won’t reach the potential people try to talk up for them, that’s the boxing game.

Mandown In his own thread!!! You guys are savages...

Jacobs best win? Maybe Quillan as underdog and the close one over Dereyvchenko. He gave a close fight to Canelo too and I’m sure you think Canelo is a top 10-20 ATG, correct? If Canelo is that good and has 400 dimensions why is the general perception that he lost at least one of those fights to GGG, probably both? Don’t tell me you’re a Whitaker didn’t beat Chavez he gets no credit type guys? and those 2 beat whom? none of these guy have beaten anyone worth a damn man

Broner is a clown and GGG simply is overrated and far from great..and Jacobs best win is??? since you wanna try to highlight him..another solid boxer but nothing to brag about Just to provide some balance...based on level at the time they fought, Mugabi is probably Hagler's 2nd best win - 3rd at worst certainly...many would say Jacobs is GGG's 2nd best win, 3rd in a way if you thought GGG beat Nelo twice as I did Mugabi literally lost every time in his career that he stepped up...if you want to try and list his best win, please feel free...But I am sure it will impress no one...trust me, I've looked...I mean look at his wins and tell me one thing about any of those guys.

Broner is a clown and GGG simply is overrated and far from great..and Jacobs best win is??? since you wanna try to highlight him..another solid boxer but nothing to brag about Jacobs best win? Maybe Quillan as underdog and the close one over Dereyvchenko. He gave a close fight to Canelo too and I’m sure you think Canelo is a top 10-20 ATG, correct? If Canelo is that good and has 400 dimensions why is the general perception that he lost at least one of those fights to GGG, probably both? Don’t tell me you’re a Whitaker didn’t beat Chavez he gets no credit type guys?

Well he beat Jacobs, who’s better than Broner or anyone Broner beat. He beat Dereyvchenko (same applies) and had three belts which is unifying. He didn’t create the division. Don’t tell me your one of those loons who decided to be born when he was to have a weaker era? He also got a terrible “draw” vs. Golovkin which saw a judge suspended and everyone saying he won. His “loss” was very debatable too. Whereas Broner has a few gift “wins”, totally one-sided beating losses too. Better than Broner, yes. Broner is a clown and GGG simply is overrated and far from great..and Jacobs best win is??? since you wanna try to highlight him..another solid boxer but nothing to brag about

I agree, average boxers like Spence should never be called great by fans.

Exposed by who??? seriously he never fought anyone worth a damn..and this wasnt a shot at GGG but you just made a post wiht 0 merit..the guy fought nobodies his entire career and was called great...HE HAS NEVER DOMINATED A TOP BOXER PERIOD!! 37 IS NO EXCUSE AT 38 FLOYD WAS STILL P4P #1 ? you literally just brought up GGG in the post I quoted lol...I didn't bring him up my friend, you did lol. I disagree...I think when you stack up his run compared to say Hagler, who is a popular pick for GOAT at MW...Hagler at 29 (so close to prime at least) had a close 15 round with a smaller/older/out of shape Duran, where he couldn't hurt him or stop him...he had his great KO win over Hearns...and then got embarrassed by a smaller inactive SRL over 12 rounds. I don't really see how that performance in big fights is any better than imo GGG beating Canelo 8-4 in both fights, and really very clearly was the better man in the first fight...GGG for me didn't have the high of the Hearns KO that Hagler did...but he also didn't have the low in a big fight where he was pretty unimpressive as Hagler was vs Duran and SRL. And imo the only guys who ever gave GGG a close fight were Ouma early in his career that he ended with a KO. And now SD who I felt outworked GGG and was the better man, but got a little unlucky rd by rd on my card and I had GGG winning 6-6 with the KD. Compare that to Hagler who lost to WM Sr early and also Boogie Watts...Hagler imo had those losses/close fight with Duran on his resume because as great/tough as he was, he struggled to box his way inside...he was content to bounce his way in, taking your shot in efforts to give his. When he faced guys who could box move and take a punch...he had difficulties...I give him credit for avenging the Watts and Monroe losses, but they are still low point for him that GGG never has had...and certainly GGG was always exceptional vs that level competition when he was in his physical prime. Tbh I just don't see the over-stating of Hagler's resume/the slighting of GGG's when compared together...Hagler the higher high imo with the KO of Hearns...but also has most of the lower lows between the two guys. I also can't imagine who else would be listed as an ATG at MW besides GGG/Hagler and a few others...so by anyone's count if he isn't top 5 all-time at MW, I mean I just don't really know what they are looking at...just maybe they need to take a step back imo and try and look at the facts again and just try and do it without bias...just my 2 cents

list the people he won his titles from, and that is really my point Well he beat Jacobs, who’s better than Broner or anyone Broner beat. He beat Dereyvchenko (same applies) and had three belts which is unifying. He didn’t create the division. Don’t tell me your one of those loons who decided to be born when he was to have a weaker era? He also got a terrible “draw” vs. Golovkin which saw a judge suspended and everyone saying he won. His “loss” was very debatable too. Whereas Broner has a few gift “wins”, totally one-sided beating losses too. Better than Broner, yes.

He’s clearly better. He’s unified titles, beaten better opponents and even got a “draw” that everyone thinks he won over s guy you consider an all-time legend. Broner hasn’t even beaten someone as good as Lemieux let alone Jacobs, Brook or Dereyvchenko. GGG is far from great but he’s also equally far from Broner. list the people he won his titles from, and that is really my point

GGG is more discipline but not better as he has done nothing great in his career either He’s clearly better. He’s unified titles, beaten better opponents and even got a “draw” that everyone thinks he won over s guy you consider an all-time legend. Broner hasn’t even beaten someone as good as Lemieux let alone Jacobs, Brook or Dereyvchenko. GGG is far from great but he’s also equally far from Broner.

But if you’ve been guilty of being so blatantly wrong why point the finger at others for having similar enthusiasm? You had him down as a generational great. You had GGG down as trash. Golovkin is far better. Maybe your eye test isn’t the be all end all? GGG is more discipline but not better as he has done nothing great in his career either

I think you're just trying to subtly diss GGG lol...dude is 37, his best years are probably past him...hard to argue with how great he was though imo...if he wasn't great it would have been exposed a while ago (as AJ was with Ruiz etc)...his run at MW was very impressive imo and he was the best of his era in a glamour division...I don't see how his accolades stack up much different to past ATGs at MW. Exposed by who??? seriously he never fought anyone worth a damn..and this wasnt a shot at GGG but you just made a post wiht 0 merit..the guy fought nobodies his entire career and was called great...HE HAS NEVER DOMINATED A TOP BOXER PERIOD!! 37 IS NO EXCUSE AT 38 FLOYD WAS STILL P4P #1

Broner is trash, I get that..that joke is 7 years old now But if you’ve been guilty of being so blatantly wrong why point the finger at others for having similar enthusiasm? You had him down as a generational great. You had GGG down as trash. Golovkin is far better. Maybe your eye test isn’t the be all end all?

Spence, GGG, Wilder, Joshua..etc etc..non are great..but Spence has the most time to improve I think you're just trying to subtly diss GGG lol...dude is 37, his best years are probably past him...hard to argue with how great he was though imo...if he wasn't great it would have been exposed a while ago (as AJ was with Ruiz etc)...his run at MW was very impressive imo and he was the best of his era in a glamour division...I don't see how his accolades stack up much different to past ATGs at MW.