Why is no on giving ggg credit for still being a top mw at 37?

denying that Canelo is a A-level fighter... is taking things a bit far so is Dummy1013, insisting that Lemieux is on the same level as Canelo and Jacobs... WTF? My gripe isn't Canelo skill, its the taint of PED's so I'm biased. Skill wise thou Canelo is A list fighter.

A level fighters don't need PED's, sorry but that stain will mark him period. Its just like Mosley and the taint it has on his career. denying that Canelo is a A-level fighter... is taking things a bit far so is Dummy1013, insisting that Lemieux is on the same level as Canelo and Jacobs... WTF?

2015 was the last year of Golovkin's prime, even then he was past his absolute peak which was around 2012-2013. Just look at videos of him back then, he was so much sharper, with ferocious handspeed. It's frustrating watching him now because he just doesn't have it anymore. The first fight I noticed cracks was against Murray in 2015. He got tired and didn't seem to quite have the same edge and explosiveness. Against Lemeuix that year as well he laboured somewhat as well. Right now he's 70% of what he was, way past peak. He should retire before he gets badly hurt. yep... it was when Ward called him out, that the cracks first started appearing

Canelo and SD ruined satievs life

In any other sport an athlete that competes at the highest level we give them praise. In soccer no one talks about who's better prime for prime. We always mention how good a players is over several years of his career. Consistency matters. Roy jones jr at 35 was getting koed cold by journeyman. Leonard was done late 30's. Ggg after being ducked for 10 years still competes at the highest level at 37. It's extremely rare for a fighter who's had several amateur fights to still compete as a top pro at 37. You guys can say i'm making excuses but facts are facts. The all time greats get a pass for losing to bums but ggg at 37 still has to ko everyone, can't have tough fights and he's been exposed? LET ME GUESS. GGG AT 40 IS STILL IN HIS PRIME RIGHT? Wtf is that? - -DAZN giving million$ of credit, but none for you.

he does not even have 1 great win lol My friend, all we can do is look at the facts before us and call it like we see it...I think it makes you look small and takes away from any point you may have, when you try and insult a fighter or someone who disagrees with you, just because you don't like that fighter, or just because someone disagrees with you...just trying to help ya out with that, sincerely...I know you post on here a lot, and I think you would get more enjoyment out of the site if you just kept it a little more neutral and convivial. We all won't always agree on here, no shame in that...a good debate is nice to have...also, when I am giving my opinion of a fighter, I am going by what I saw from them...I saw GGG beat Nelo twice...those would be 2 great wins for me...plus the manor in which GGG won almost all of his fights was 'great' considering how exceptional he was in those wins...I view the quality of those opponents as very good overall, you seem to not agree...well that is the way it goes sometimes. Also it is pretty clear that if GGG has no great wins officially...Hagler only has 1...and Hagler has some bad losses officially, while GGG has none...so yeah I don't really get the over-rating of Hagler relative to GGG...even by the same standards people seem to elevate Hagler, it is hard to see how those same people slight GGG so heavily. But yeah I guess agree to disagree here, no shame in that...honestly a little strange for someone to get so worked up just because someone has a different opinion lol...if someone has a different opinion than me that I think is strange, I may comment on it, but don't really see the point in getting so emotional about a different opinion lol. If someone said Broner was an ATG I may say 'bro come on, take another look' and then move on with my life :)...if they repeated it all the time, I mean they would just be making themselves look silly :), I wouldn't need to chime in all the time and try and ridicule, and why would I lol, who cares ya know. You seem to get super emotional and upset when someone says GGG was a great fighter lol...I mean I think Ward was really over-hyped/over-valued as a boxer...but when I break down why, I never really insult the guy...to me insulting a fighter like that and getting really emotional is indicative that you have some bias going in, and are not really evaluating things objectively, but with emotion, and what you WANT to be true...I just think as a man we should be better than that my friend. If someone can name 5 better all-time MWs than GGG I will listen...if someone can say why Hagler's run at MW was really so superior to GGG's I will listen...a smart man always changes his mind when presented with better intel...but yeah in general there seems to be a lot of pushback against GGG that is way over the top imo. How anyone can say he isn't an ATG at MW...I mean I just don't really see that one...athletes I think it is pretty clear get better over time...and GGG was the most recent guy at MW, and had a great long run with a lot of success and very few *****s in the armor...some more or less agree with me, some do not... I just honestly don't see why anyone gets so worked up about it like you do lol...but oh well man I do hope you have a great day! And maybe just woo-sah sometimes before you post my friend. Canelo is CLEARLY an A fighter... Lemieux is CLEARLY not Not really sure what your point was there lol...or why you tagged me in that. I think Canelo is close to A level, this is true...Lemieux is not, I would agree...but as far as top quality fighters, Lemieux would be in GGG's list in a way, just as Hagler would have Mugabi in his. A level fighters don't need PED's, sorry but that stain will mark him period. Its just like Mosley and the taint it has on his career. I like Nelo but yeah it will be interesting how that all affects his legacy when it is all said and done.

Canelo is CLEARLY an A fighter... Lemieux is CLEARLY not fcuk you are a moron :lol1::lol1: A level fighters don't need PED's, sorry but that stain will mark him period. Its just like Mosley and the taint it has on his career.

In any other sport an athlete that competes at the highest level we give them praise. In soccer no one talks about who's better prime for prime. We always mention how good a players is over several years of his career. Consistency matters. Roy jones jr at 35 was getting koed cold by journeyman. Leonard was done late 30's. Ggg after being ducked for 10 years still competes at the highest level at 37. It's extremely rare for a fighter who's had several amateur fights to still compete as a top pro at 37. You guys can say i'm making excuses but facts are facts. The all time greats get a pass for losing to bums but ggg at 37 still has to ko everyone, can't have tough fights and he's been exposed? LET ME GUESS. GGG AT 40 IS STILL IN HIS PRIME RIGHT? Wtf is that? Um GGG did not look that good in his fight with Dervy. Either it really is true that he was fighting sick or he has slipped that badly. I say this as a GGG fan, stop already, your making Objective GGG fans look stupid.

2015 was the last year of Golovkin's prime, even then he was past his absolute peak which was around 2012-2013. Just look at videos of him back then, he was so much sharper, with ferocious handspeed. It's frustrating watching him now because he just doesn't have it anymore. The first fight I noticed cracks was against Murray in 2015. He got tired and didn't seem to quite have the same edge and explosiveness. Against Lemeuix that year as well he laboured somewhat as well. Right now he's 70% of what he was, way past peak. He should retire before he gets badly hurt.

When have people ever given him credit in here. Half the posters seem to hate GGG's guts Nah, it’s just a very loud mouthed minority.

When have people ever given him credit in here. Half the posters seem to hate GGG's guts

The dude was an incredible am, winning a lot/hardly losing, winning a silver at the Olympics...maybe some heavies can win in the ams with limited skills, but I mean to have that success at MW is pretty good evidence the man has a lot of skills...also his jab is what has made him special imo, one of the best I have ever seen...that has helped to set up his power, which I agree is very very good. Yeah man I disagree...only 2 tough/close fights I saw for GGG were vs Ouma early-ish in his career, which he ended definitively...and then vs SD, who I felt was better than GGG that night, but rd by rd I still had it 6-6 for a narrow GGG win...SD just got a bit unlucky imo that it wasn't a clear-ish 8-4 type victory for him...also with 4 of 6 of GGG's toughest fights (Canelo 2/Jacobs/SD) coming after 35+, it is probably fair to think this is not the best ever version of himself that we are seeing..his performance vs SD kind of solidified that view imo...I would also say that SD in my view did way better than Nelo (or Jacobs) did in his/their 2/3 fights with GGG. Lemieux, Murray pretty clearly around the level of SD Canelo Jacobs...but because GGG smashed them I think those who want to slight GGG tend to leave them off the list of his..just my perception...but yeah as mentioned, from my analysis GGG's run vs a lot of those quality fighters is very rare, even for other ATGs...most have a slip up or two against those types of guys in their careers...as we say, styles make fights, and occasionally a 'lesser' fighter will pose a real challenge to a better fighter and can come away as the winner...GGG never had any real issues with any quality guys like that, except for Ouma, which he still 100% won. Agree to disagree I suppose, don't really see the case against GGG being in the convo for GOAT at MW imo...certainly one of the ATGs there in that division. Will be interesting to see what his career/future holds from here on out...physically I thought he looked pretty good vs SD, for whatever reason he just wasn't throwing the jab...but if that performance from him will be the norm going forward he should probably go on a little easy retirement tour, or retire...if he really wants Canelo 3 then go ahead I guess...but he will probably take more damage vs Nelo in fight 3 than he did vs SD, and that would be a lot, relatively speaking. Canelo is CLEARLY an A fighter... Lemieux is CLEARLY not fcuk you are a moron :lol1::lol1:

The dude was an incredible am, winning a lot/hardly losing, winning a silver at the Olympics...maybe some heavies can win in the ams with limited skills, but I mean to have that success at MW is pretty good evidence the man has a lot of skills...also his jab is what has made him special imo, one of the best I have ever seen...that has helped to set up his power, which I agree is very very good. Yeah man I disagree...only 2 tough/close fights I saw for GGG were vs Ouma early-ish in his career, which he ended definitively...and then vs SD, who I felt was better than GGG that night, but rd by rd I still had it 6-6 for a narrow GGG win...SD just got a bit unlucky imo that it wasn't a clear-ish 8-4 type victory for him...also with 4 of 6 of GGG's toughest fights (Canelo 2/Jacobs/SD) coming after 35+, it is probably fair to think this is not the best ever version of himself that we are seeing..his performance vs SD kind of solidified that view imo...I would also say that SD in my view did way better than Nelo (or Jacobs) did in his/their 2/3 fights with GGG. Lemieux, Murray pretty clearly around the level of SD Canelo Jacobs...but because GGG smashed them I think those who want to slight GGG tend to leave them off the list of his..just my perception...but yeah as mentioned, from my analysis GGG's run vs a lot of those quality fighters is very rare, even for other ATGs...most have a slip up or two against those types of guys in their careers...as we say, styles make fights, and occasionally a 'lesser' fighter will pose a real challenge to a better fighter and can come away as the winner...GGG never had any real issues with any quality guys like that, except for Ouma, which he still 100% won. Agree to disagree I suppose, don't really see the case against GGG being in the convo for GOAT at MW imo...certainly one of the ATGs there in that division. Will be interesting to see what his career/future holds from here on out...physically I thought he looked pretty good vs SD, for whatever reason he just wasn't throwing the jab...but if that performance from him will be the norm going forward he should probably go on a little easy retirement tour, or retire...if he really wants Canelo 3 then go ahead I guess...but he will probably take more damage vs Nelo in fight 3 than he did vs SD, and that would be a lot, relatively speaking. if you think Golovkin is the GOAT middleweight, then you are a fkn moron he does not even have 1 great win lol you are a perfect example of a spastic casual-fan when you said that Lemieux, Murray... are as good as Canelo Jacobs and Derevyanchenko... you sunk even lower than when you insisted that Murray Lemieux Monroe and Vanes, are better wins for Golovkin..... than Lara Cotto Trout and Mosley were, for Canelo what a ret4rd https://media1.tenor.com/images/3e185f09f562adfc416e7bc961e9fc73/tenor.gif?itemid=9755587 I will add your recent stupidity... to your wall of stupidity

he is just a tough-guy puncher... albeit a very good one there have been plenty of tough-guy punchers that is why he got handled by smaller fighters like Canelo and Derevy the guys you refer to as " quality "... were just mid-level, made-to-order, no-hopers Golovkin has faced 4 quality opponents... losing to 2 of them the next level up are the guys you can refer to as great The dude was an incredible am, winning a lot/hardly losing, winning a silver at the Olympics...maybe some heavies can win in the ams with limited skills, but I mean to have that success at MW is pretty good evidence the man has a lot of skills...also his jab is what has made him special imo, one of the best I have ever seen...that has helped to set up his power, which I agree is very very good. Yeah man I disagree...only 2 tough/close fights I saw for GGG were vs Ouma early-ish in his career, which he ended definitively...and then vs SD, who I felt was better than GGG that night, but rd by rd I still had it 6-6 for a narrow GGG win...SD just got a bit unlucky imo that it wasn't a clear-ish 8-4 type victory for him...also with 4 of 6 of GGG's toughest fights (Canelo 2/Jacobs/SD) coming after 35+, it is probably fair to think this is not the best ever version of himself that we are seeing..his performance vs SD kind of solidified that view imo...I would also say that SD in my view did way better than Nelo (or Jacobs) did in his/their 2/3 fights with GGG. Lemieux, Murray pretty clearly around the level of SD Canelo Jacobs...but because GGG smashed them I think those who want to slight GGG tend to leave them off the list of his..just my perception...but yeah as mentioned, from my analysis GGG's run vs a lot of those quality fighters is very rare, even for other ATGs...most have a slip up or two against those types of guys in their careers...as we say, styles make fights, and occasionally a 'lesser' fighter will pose a real challenge to a better fighter and can come away as the winner...GGG never had any real issues with any quality guys like that, except for Ouma, which he still 100% won. Agree to disagree I suppose, don't really see the case against GGG being in the convo for GOAT at MW imo...certainly one of the ATGs there in that division. Will be interesting to see what his career/future holds from here on out...physically I thought he looked pretty good vs SD, for whatever reason he just wasn't throwing the jab...but if that performance from him will be the norm going forward he should probably go on a little easy retirement tour, or retire...if he really wants Canelo 3 then go ahead I guess...but he will probably take more damage vs Nelo in fight 3 than he did vs SD, and that would be a lot, relatively speaking.

Respectfully I disagree...GGG's run at MW puts him up there with any other at MW all-time imo...Ouma for me was the only other guy who really ever gave GGG a tough 50/50 fight...walking through about 15 quality fighters is very impressive...most ATGs have a slip up or two in runs against that level opposition. And I felt Jacobs and the 2 Nelo fights were straightforward 8-4 Ws for GGG...I did feel SD was the better man vs GGG, but still scored 6 rounds for GGG...but that GGG is pretty clearly not very close to the best version of himself that we've seen. I just think people are glamorizing past greats a bit by over-stating their accolades relative to GGG...if GGG wasn't that great imo then Stevens would have knocked him down, or Lemieux...Rubio or Rosado or Geale or Macklin would have last 12 rounds...Murray would have gone 12 in a 8-4 type fight...Monroe would have fought GGG to a close fight in 12 rounds. But none of those things happened...rolling through all of those quality opponents is just very impressive to me, especially when compared to the runs of past greats in any era...I just think the over-the-top slighting of GGG vs the propping up of past greats, who had worse defeats and not really any better/more victories, is a little off imo. he is just a tough-guy puncher... albeit a very good one how many minutes have you been following this sport ? there have been plenty of tough-guy punchers that is why he got handled by smaller fighters like Canelo and Derevy the guys you refer to as " quality "... were just mid-level, made-to-order, no-hopers Golovkin has faced 4 quality opponents... losing to 2 of them the next level up are the guys you can refer to as great

Golovkin has fought 42 times as a professional; meaning not too much disrespect to fighters stepping into the ring and putting their lives on the line, you may be able to count 8 of those fights as being true fights with any doubt when signed (Ouma as the first real trial horse, Rosado coming up from 154lbs, Geale, Murray as another trial horse, Brook coming up from 147lbs, Daniel Jacobs, Alvarez1, Alvarez2, and Derevyanchenko). The fact that you're trying to elevate Curtis Stevens, a fighter arguably without a meaningful win over the course of his career is a bit much. Not every fight is going to be a killer fight, but you judge middleweights by the real ones that they stepped in with. Golovkin has been found lacking I would count about 18 guys/19 fights myself...in addition to those 9 fighters/10 fights you mentioned...have to say Lemieux obviously...Macklin, Adama, Ishida, Proksa, Stevens, Rubio, Vanes, Rolls...those wins/guys aren't individually gonna get anyone in the HOF of course...but I felt all of those guys were quality fighters who posed some sort of challenge as an opponent. Just from studying other guys' careers, I think most guys who have around 10 fights with guys on that level, the greats usually have 1 or 2 slip ups, with a loss/draw/controversial win in those...GGG had like 15 fights with guys on that level and never had one, and the only even somewhat competitive fight he had vs that level was vs Ouma, who before SD I think gave GGG his toughest fight ever...I had it basically even vs Ouma before GGG got the KO. SD was a fortunate win for GGG in my eyes...I could see 6 rounds for GGG, but I felt SD was the better man that night, even tough I ended up with 6 rounds for GGG on my card...felt GGG beat Jacobs and Nelo 8-4 in those 3 fights though...and SD is pretty clearly a top level guy in a lot of ways...GGG at his age is also probably not at his best ever level, it is safe to say. But all we can do is call it like we see it my friend...I just don't really see anyone else besides Hagler who at MW had the type of success/run GGG did...even B-Hop, I mean a lot of his wins at MW were not really that great ya know...but would certainly say he is in the convo for MW ATGs himself. I tend to think athletes get better/stronger as eras go on, so that helps GGG's case in my view...and the fact that he fought basically his entire pro (and am) career at MW helps his case too...but yeah if people start throwing out names of ATG MWs that maybe I have forgotten, I reserve the right to drop GGG down on my list. I just haven't really seen too many others around that weight all-time that I think are really on his level...just my 2 cents...I mean I respect former legends for sure...but watching highlights of guys like Monzon compared to today's fighters...I mean it's like a different game nowadays imo.

41 years old Manny Pacquiao and 60 years old Bernard Hopkins said hold my beer.

And the way these little kids moan and bash ggg shows how good ggg is. He is future hall of famer and goat middleweight period

F**ucking racist Latinos and African-Americans hate ggg only

There are many who won't even give Pac credit for doing it atb41? Or not give as much as they should do