the REAL poll asking... why I hate Golovkin...

I think you're confused and beleive I'm talking to you but I'm talking to a bigger audience. If you feel included feel free to be included. Are the criticisms I asked you to respond to fair or not? And you think it's impossible for people of color to dislike GGG because of their skin color? I dont need to speculate how people will react because I've already seen those reactions and it would be foolish to believe they are alone. Are you that big of a fool? you are a toothless c0ck-sucker... just like the rest it is clearly obvious that Golovkin is mostly criticized for lying to his fans and for avoiding threats... and yet, you choose to insert your head firmly up your own ass and pull the race card you are just an abused girlfriend... going back for more lol :wave:

Dude your thread is kind of weak if you put people that don't like GGG on ignore so they can't respond why they don't like him. that is exactly what he did... which is why the little crybaby clown just got kicked out

Sure, man. I could blame those dudes... or I could blame the dudes who triggered them by throwing shade on their favourite fighter, or I could go back further... bit pointless though ain't it? Bunch of childish schoolyard tit for tat to my mind. All those dudes pretty much the same as each other whichever side of the fence they're on from where I'm looking. Anyways, that's cool, man. You got your opinion... I never said GGG was some kinda saint or paragon, nor do I expect every one to like him... dude even looks like a bit of hypocrite to me with some of his comments, but I ain't in the business of coming on the forum to call fighters - Golovkin or any one else - names and stuff and I ain't got a huge deal of time for those who do. All these guys are out there getting their faces fkn rearranged for our entertainment and literally putting their lives on the line in one of the most gruelling sports there is. in your last post, you referred to a concerted 6-year long marketing campaign as... "naive" you are being an absolute 100% excuse-making mug what could possibly make a grown man do something like that... ? have not seen creepy shlt like this since 2010, with Pacquiao

I've always just thought he was a very good fighter and I was following the dude back before all the bullchit and the hype started. The reality is obviously something of a mix guess... course HBO hyped the dude up, that's exactly how they made money and got people interested, pretty much their job in fact. To sell their product. If that ish gets people upset I really don't know what to tell 'em. They get upset when their new brand of deodorant doesn't have hoards of chicks chasing after them with their **** out too? What else am I gonna say... obviously he is a heavy handed dude and a very good fighter but I never thought he was some unbeatable machine, though I can't speak for the beliefs of others. The whole 154 - 168 thing - I don't really get the issue. Every damn fighter on earth is open to offers from the adjacent divisions - providing of course the conditions (most especially the money) are right - it was probably naive of 'em to use that as a selling point given that you never know what the futures gonna hold, but I honestly can't understand why people would make it the focus of such vitriol. It's like... so what? Maybe he would have fought at 168 or 154 if the conditions were right, but the simple fact is that the biggest money fight dropped into his lap at 160, so we'll never know. Big deal. No. People wouldn't usually be that bothered by ish like that. The problem is that certain of his fanbase used that claim to mock the credibility of other fighters who had achieved more - and I'm talking principally Floyd and Ward. That's where the hatred started and that's when I'm pretty sure the TS got on the train... basically the vitriol and anger around Golovkin is an extension of the ongoing Pac - Floyd bullchit and also seems to have become entangled with the ****ed up racial politics of the US in some minds... leastways, that's my take. Dude ain't really doing much different from other fighters I think... least not enough to become the polarising mfer he has on this forum. why did you select the word "naive"... instead of using the correct word, "dishonest"? stop going back to him... he DID mean to cheat on you :D

You call him weird for telling the truth but it’s more weird to defend that fake ggg.. lol you are doing the same amount of writing as him difference is the he is telling you facts while you’re in denial, what’s more weird? Weirdo yea, wtf ? :lol1:

Yeah. Cos in the normal world people spend hundreds of hours of their lives trying to convince people that they should be calling a sportsman silly names, right. Get a grip man... this whole forum is a bubble of weirdness and you're one of the crazier denizens in it. We could sit down and discuss the reasons for Golovkin's choice of fights if you wanted and sure I'd prefer if he'd been more daring especially in the latter part of his career as I've already said many times, but honestly I really don't care enough and we both know that your purpose isn't to debate but to come on here and call people names for hours of each day for whatever fulfillment that gives ya. Honestly I'm already regretting wasting the 20 minutes or so that I already did indulging your weirdness man..,. guess it's back on ignore with ya. a bubble of weirdness... is the creepy man-love that must be required to completely ignore being lied to for YEARS Robbie Barrett is right... you are an abused female who keeps going back to her boyfriend

I didn't post that. I posted GGG has had some fair criticisms. I think the fight is solid. If others disagree, that is their choice. You think some fights are bad and some are good. There is nothing wrong if you think this fight is weak. I would just strongly disagree with anyone who does. Your asking about a lot of what ifs and speculating how people will react. I don't talk about ducking. Why would I have to go after posters with that opinion? I don't go after GGG fans. Just the ones that act like GGG must be liked or can't be criticized or that lie and say all his critics are black or Hispanic. I think you're confused and beleive I'm talking to you but I'm talking to a bigger audience. If you feel included feel free to be included. Are the criticisms I asked you to respond to fair or not? And you think it's impossible for people of color to dislike GGG because of their skin color? I dont need to speculate how people will react because I've already seen those reactions and it would be foolish to believe they are alone. Are you that big of a fool?

Lol @ the TS who was disgruntled that he was excluded from my POLL! :rofl::rofl::rofl: Dude your thread is kind of weak if you put people that don't like GGG on ignore so they can't respond why they don't like him.

Lol @ the TS who was disgruntled that he was excluded from my POLL! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

You think the Derevychanko fight is solid but when Canelo groupies criticize GGG for fighting you think that's fair? You talk about fair and GGG fans refuting his criticisms. Then when they lie and accuse GGG of ducking Derevychanko to fight Vanes DEPSITE the fact Canelo was the reason the fight happened in the first place do you think thats fair? And then do say GGG ducked Derevychanko. Unknown at the time and who hadnt even fought ONE 12 round match in his career up to that point but Canelo groupies billed him as the next boogeyman you think that's fair? And when they claim Derevychanko is Jacob's left overs is that fair? You think saying GGG is ducking Charlo and Andrade and who ever else is fair? Despite the fact no one is fighting anyone else, ESPECIALLY your own #1? I dont see you going after any of those guys. Nah. Not one bit. I didn't post that. I posted GGG has had some fair criticisms. I think the fight is solid. If others disagree, that is their choice. You think some fights are bad and some are good. There is nothing wrong if you think this fight is weak. I would just strongly disagree with anyone who does. Your asking about a lot of what ifs and speculating how people will react. I don't talk about ducking. Why would I have to go after posters with that opinion? I don't go after GGG fans. Just the ones that act like GGG must be liked or can't be criticized or that lie and say all his critics are black or Hispanic.

To be fair he was too overrated for the weak resume. Was he ducked by some? Yes but us fans cant control that. We look at a resume and point out what is missing. He's a good fighter but was never that ATG killer. He still beat Canelo in the first fight and the second fight was very close. Maybe Sergio Martinez should of stepped up in 2013 then or Cotto in 14. Too overrated by who? Can't overrate someone when NO ONE in the MW division wanted that Smoke. Canelo waited till he got older to fight him and still needed Roids.

Golovkin is an excellent fighter....just, not as good as advertised that is why he did not take the fights he avoided Not as good as advertised? Canelo needed PED's and Judges to get a draw and split decision and is now avoiding his biggest payday in his career to not fight him again.

If you have GGG as the best MW, ok. I would think it Canelo but there are a lot of people that think he won both fights. I think he won the 1st and lost the 2nd. The Dereyvchenko fight is solid IMO. You think the Derevychanko fight is solid but when Canelo groupies criticize GGG for fighting you think that's fair? You talk about fair and GGG fans refuting his criticisms. Then when they lie and accuse GGG of ducking Derevychanko to fight Vanes DEPSITE the fact Canelo was the reason the fight happened in the first place do you think thats fair? And then do say GGG ducked Derevychanko. Unknown at the time and who hadnt even fought ONE 12 round match in his career up to that point but Canelo groupies billed him as the next boogeyman you think that's fair? And when they claim Derevychanko is Jacob's left overs is that fair? You think saying GGG is ducking Charlo and Andrade and who ever else is fair? Despite the fact no one is fighting anyone else, ESPECIALLY your own #1? I dont see you going after any of those guys. Nah. Not one bit.

I’m not reading all that, you’re G.ay You're not gonna read it because it doesnt fit your agenda. Look at the post you quoted below mine. The same length. You no different than a child with their hands over their eyes screaming I can't hear you! So pathetic its it's funny.

To be fair he was too overrated for the weak resume. Was he ducked by some? Yes but us fans cant control that. We look at a resume and point out what is missing. He's a good fighter but was never that ATG killer. He still beat Canelo in the first fight and the second fight was very close.

Where is the because he is white option. I know for some it is a big reason. They hate GGG , Loma, Usyk, Fury... see a pattern here?

Sure, man. I could blame those dudes... or I could blame the dudes who triggered them by throwing shade on their favourite fighter, or I could go back further... bit pointless though ain't it? Bunch of childish schoolyard tit for tat to my mind. All those dudes pretty much the same as each other whichever side of the fence they're on from where I'm looking. Anyways, that's cool, man. You got your opinion... I never said GGG was some kinda saint or paragon, nor do I expect every one to like him... dude even looks like a bit of hypocrite to me with some of his comments, but I ain't in the business of coming on the forum to call fighters - Golovkin or any one else - names and stuff and I ain't got a huge deal of time for those who do. All these guys are out there getting their faces fkn rearranged for our entertainment and literally putting their lives on the line in one of the most gruelling sports there is. Well said...

Lmfao. Dont try to flip the script because you're too dumb to answer a ****ing question properly. Let's try again. Is the score cards of 115-113 x2 and 114-114 for the A side boxer fighting at home dominant? Yes or no? Oh? Canelo has more fans right? I know he does obviously, but then why is it that on all those polls where it was who won, Canelo or GGG anywhere you can find them on the internet including here does more people think GGG won? Hmm? Where are all his fans? Fight1 370 75.98% GGG 67 13.76%Canelo 50 10.27% Draw Fight 2 166 57.44% GGG 96 33.22% Canelo 27 9.34%Draw Every poll and every media score cars reflects the trends that GGG EASILYwon the first fight against Canelo and while Canelo did better didnt do good enough the 2nd time around. But nah. Us GGG fans are the liars and cheats right? Lmfao. We are the ones who need to create stories to make is feel better about ourselves. Tell me that the big bad media has it out for Canelo. Humor me. I’m not reading all that, you’re G.ay

Let's not lie to ourselves. Tank and Mikey have one thing in common and that's Lomachenko. One guy was fighting nobodies at 130 talking a lot of ****. The other guy left 135 and talked a lot of ****. All their fans? Talking the most ****. Were you not here when Mikey decided to fight Spence and literally anyone who hates GGG jumped on team Mikey because Mikey thought Lomachenko was too easy and needed to challenge himself. Think about the usual Aboutfkntime War Mikey or whatever name he is Boxing is great McDonalds Kush king The list goes on and on and on. Anyone with any boxing IQ without an agenda could see the outcome. Spence by KO or Wide UD. Mikey gets a punchers chance. And everyone else told them that he would get his ass whooped and when he did, all these losers who talked the **** lost so much face they went into hiding. Even Mikey Garcia himself went into hiding. Oh. A mexican fighter is fighting and I'm not white and I want him to win and I want to talk a lot of **** abou the white guys. That's coming from someone who ISNT EVEN WHITE. I see it clear as DAY. Unlike Tank and Mikey GGG will make it into the HOF. They arent even the same caliber of fighter. And I don't get the win it in a ring thing you cling onto so hard. It would be true if he won it outside the ring and never did anything or got KTFO and kept on losing. Did he do that? No. He only kept adding to his collection and when the signature fight came got robbed. If there was only 1 title per division GGG would have won it back in 2010 when the WBA split the championship so Felix Strum could be there champion. Hence why GGG left Germany a few years later because he knew he was getting screwed over in Germany. No one defends GGGs resume but when you ask yourself who was better than him who? Canelo who sat him out because he couldnt make the 154lb limit and when the did fight robbed him two and was busted for PEDs? Andrade who has never fought anyone with a pulse and JUST got to 160? Same guy who barely scraped by the guy you guys like to make fun of GGG fighting because Canelo failed his drug tests. Charlo who has never fought anyone with a pulse and also JUST got to 160? Looked like **** his last fight and should have lost. BJS who cant even make the weight and got busted for PEDs himself? Lara who fights at 154? And GGG smacked Geale, the same guy who was stripped so he could be the super champion so your argument is invalid. You guys just like to create boogeymen and tell tall tales to reinforce your narrative. Oh. GGG is just fighting Derevychanko because he is Jacob's left overs blah blah. But in the same breathe dont understand that by that logic Jacob's was GGGs left overs and that by that logic Canelo has fought no one relevant in a long time. The fact is, if you consider Canelo the best at 160 based on their head to head fights you can EASILY argue that they are the same caliber fighter even though GGG doesnt have the resume. But is this the case? Is it? If you have GGG as the best MW, ok. I would think it Canelo but there are a lot of people that think he won both fights. I think he won the 1st and lost the 2nd. The Dereyvchenko fight is solid IMO.

You are over exaggerating what people say about Tank and Mikey. Their diehard fans don't cry and whine whenever they are fairly criticized. GGG is fairly criticized and it isn't because he looks white. That is what his very worst fans deflect to because they cant refute the fair criticism of his resume or the fact he got his title initially in the board room and didn't win it in the ring. The criticism of him only fighting at 160 is completely unfair. He keeps himself in shape as a pro is supposed to. The issue people have is his "anyone from 154-168" comment. This is NSB and posters tend to take what is said literally and hold fighters to that. I don't disagree with any of the bolded. I just think its ok if posters don't like him. Let's not lie to ourselves. Tank and Mikey have one thing in common and that's Lomachenko. One guy was fighting nobodies at 130 talking a lot of ****. The other guy left 135 and talked a lot of ****. All their fans? Talking the most ****. Were you not here when Mikey decided to fight Spence and literally anyone who hates GGG jumped on team Mikey because Mikey thought Lomachenko was too easy and needed to challenge himself. Think about the usual Aboutfkntime War Mikey or whatever name he is Boxing is great McDonalds Kush king The list goes on and on and on. Anyone with any boxing IQ without an agenda could see the outcome. Spence by KO or Wide UD. Mikey gets a punchers chance. And everyone else told them that he would get his ass whooped and when he did, all these losers who talked the **** lost so much face they went into hiding. Even Mikey Garcia himself went into hiding. Oh. A mexican fighter is fighting and I'm not white and I want him to win and I want to talk a lot of **** abou the white guys. That's coming from someone who ISNT EVEN WHITE. I see it clear as DAY. Unlike Tank and Mikey GGG will make it into the HOF. They arent even the same caliber of fighter. And I don't get the win it in a ring thing you cling onto so hard. It would be true if he won it outside the ring and never did anything or got KTFO and kept on losing. Did he do that? No. He only kept adding to his collection and when the signature fight came got robbed. If there was only 1 title per division GGG would have won it back in 2010 when the WBA split the championship so Felix Strum could be there champion. Hence why GGG left Germany a few years later because he knew he was getting screwed over in Germany. No one defends GGGs resume but when you ask yourself who was better than him who? Canelo who sat him out because he couldnt make the 154lb limit and when the did fight robbed him two and was busted for PEDs? Andrade who has never fought anyone with a pulse and JUST got to 160? Same guy who barely scraped by the guy you guys like to make fun of GGG fighting because Canelo failed his drug tests. Charlo who has never fought anyone with a pulse and also JUST got to 160? Looked like **** his last fight and should have lost. BJS who cant even make the weight and got busted for PEDs himself? Lara who fights at 154? And GGG smacked Geale, the same guy who was stripped so he could be the super champion so your argument is invalid. You guys just like to create boogeymen and tell tall tales to reinforce your narrative. Oh. GGG is just fighting Derevychanko because he is Jacob's left overs blah blah. But in the same breathe dont understand that by that logic Jacob's was GGGs left overs and that by that logic Canelo has fought no one relevant in a long time. The fact is, if you consider Canelo the best at 160 based on their head to head fights you can EASILY argue that they are the same caliber fighter even though GGG doesnt have the resume. But is this the case? Is it?