Whatever one may think of Erroll Spence, I just so happen to like the guy. I am a Fan of his but he did not win this fight. He actually lost. Porter was landing the cleaner punches and combinations all night long.
He even backed Spence up on several occasions. The knocked down didn't prove anything. Porter was the rightful winner of this fight and the officials stole it from him.
He fought a very courageous and spirited fight that made boxing fans proud the whole world over.
He’s stiff af. I’d say he does a good job at sitting down when he throws punches, but he’s average at everything else. To quote Floyd, “He’s straight up and down, no special effects.”
Crawford will have a field with him if/when they fight.
It was a good, close, hard fought fight between 2 top 5 welters. Nothing more. Nothing less.
The adjectives like "exposed", "overrated", really only come into play when you start getting into the promoter / network / race issues.
If Spence were a white fighter with Matchroom, there would be 100 threads about how he was exposed, and is a hype job who beat only cans. We all know it. We've seen it before......
Ah, I see so you're saying he didn't live up to the way some guys had hyped him? Well to me that's a massively different thing to getting 'exposed' and has a lot more to do with the naïveté of certain fans rather than the quality of the fighter themselves. Both dudes are among the top Welterweights and are superb fighters. Only thing that got exposed was the dudes who seem to think that some fighters are like superhuman demi-gods,
Yes
I don’t think he was exposed, because I didn’t believe the hype in the first place
He clearly isn’t a bum or a low level fighter. That to me seems the only possible scenario to throw the term exposed around
Your prior post kinda glosses over what type of ‘adversity’ Spence faced. It wasn’t a temporary thing, where Spence showed some lions heart to overcome and carry on as usual. This type of adversity is simply Spence fighting someone of his own calibre, and the result and fight showed that clearly. He didn’t overcome that type of adversity because it will reappear every time he fights someone on his own level.
The hype suggested Spence was well above that calibre of fighter, I.e someone who would beat any welterweight clearly, and likely have huge success at higher weights. I think that is clearly wrong. Spence showed he isn’t much above Porter (if at all) and Brook, and Porter has shown he isn’t above the likes of Thurman and Garcia. Unless this is some mysterious blip on the radar, I think it shows exactly the type of calibre fighter we are looking at
Ah, I see so you're saying he didn't live up to the way some guys had hyped him? Well to me that's a massively different thing to getting 'exposed' and has a lot more to do with the naïveté of certain fans rather than the quality of the fighter themselves. Both dudes are among the top Welterweights and are superb fighters. Only thing that got exposed was the dudes who seem to think that some fighters are like superhuman demi-gods,
Spence got a KD and took control of the last 1/3 of the fight but he didn’t win ?
He didn’t get exposed it played out like the Brook fight competitive for the first 2/3 then slence took over the only difference is Brook got his face Broke & Porter didn’t
Nah agree to disagree, you'll see in time. Last night was close, I dont have a problem with it being scored either way but I think Spence would do better in a rematch, he processes better and he prob confirmed a few things about himself too...it was good experience.
Thurman will get stopped after being competitive early, Garcia is stylistically a tougher 12 round fight but prob a clear decision for Spence, you need a chin or next level ability to keep up with Spence at WW, Thurman doesn't have quite enough of either, that's the way I see it anyway.
Spence is in their pitching against any of the champions at 54-60 dont be fooled by Porters toughness, but I do think Crawford beats him very close.
Yep. We all know how Shawn Porter gets down. Spence should be humbled, by the realization that as good as he is, he can't walk through everyone. This experience should serve him well going forward. Especially, when he moves up in weight.
By your own rationalization and explanation that is what I meant by saying the 147 pound division is a very stacked and loaded division with lots of talent because just as you said that either of these guys can SD one another on any given day; For the exception of Manny Pacquiao.
I doubt seriously that Manny Pacquiao would fight any of those guys unless he is ready to call it quits for his boxing career. Given his age of 42, loss of stamina and slowed timing and reflexes. He wouldn't stand a chance with these young guys down in the trenches.
We seem to share the same logic, but I don’t agree this older Pacquiao is a great fighter. Yes he is, in respect to his career, but putting him in a one fight situation, I don’t think he’s fighting at ATG level.
When you consider that the likes of Thurman, Spence etc are a level below, you can see why I disagree that the division is loaded with ‘talent’. I think it’s loaded with names, but lacking in respective talent.
What is this dumb crap? Why do folk come out with this nonsense every time a dude has a tough fight?
Ima just go ahead and copy-paste the same **** I wrote in a different thread cos I can't be bothered typing it all again...
Your prior post kinda glosses over what type of ‘adversity’ Spence faced. It wasn’t a temporary thing, where Spence showed some lions heart to overcome and carry on as usual. This type of adversity is simply Spence fighting someone of his own calibre, and the result and fight showed that clearly. He didn’t overcome that type of adversity because it will reappear every time he fights someone on his own level.
The hype suggested Spence was well above that calibre of fighter, I.e someone who would beat any welterweight clearly, and likely have huge success at higher weights. I think that is clearly wrong. Spence showed he isn’t much above Porter (if at all) and Brook, and Porter has shown he isn’t above the likes of Thurman and Garcia. Unless this is some mysterious blip on the radar, I think it shows exactly the type of calibre fighter we are looking at
The rationalisation is simple - Spence was the victim of promotional hype. It doesn’t mean he was exposed, because he is not a bum or a bad fighter. He is just not what the hype painted him out to be, and is simply one of the group of welterweights which nothing really separates them. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
As I mentioned earlier, it’s a fairly simple picture. Spence, Garcia, Thurman and Porter can fight each other in close fights for eternity. A 40 year old Pacquiao is beating that level of fighter clearlyBy your own rationalization and explanation that is what I meant by saying the 147 pound division is a very stacked and loaded division with lots of talent because just as you said that either of these guys can SD one another on any given day; For the exception of Manny Pacquiao.
I doubt seriously that Manny Pacquiao would fight any of those guys unless he is ready to call it quits for his boxing career. Given his age of 42, loss of stamina and slowed timing and reflexes. He wouldn't stand a chance with these young guys down in the trenches.
What is this dumb crap? Why do folk come out with this nonsense every time a dude has a tough fight?
Ima just go ahead and copy-paste the same **** I wrote in a different thread cos I can't be bothered typing it all again...
Straight up. Very rare I stay up to watch the US fights these days, specially the West coast ones but this time I'm glad I did even though I didn't get my ass to bed until 6.30a.m.
Absolutely superb fight with both guys giving their all and both guys showing the kinda will and desire to win that champions are made of. Can't believe I'm seeing ish about Spence being 'exposed' even though I only thought he won by the narrowest of margins... this is exactly the kind of fight that shows me that a guy has got what it takes. It's like people just forget that even the best in the world get touched up and have tough fights when they face other top level guys - even Floyd did, even Manny did, but there's this weird revisionism goes on makes people forget this and think that struggling through adversity to eke out a close win is somehow evidence that a fighter ain't that special, whereas to me it's exactly the quality I want to see. Everyone gonna have tough fights, it's how they deal with it that counts.
Pacquiao is a fantastic 40 year old fighter. But he is no longer elite P4P. Spence, Porter, and especially Crawford all are. If Pacquiao fights any of them, he will lose.
Crawford is an unknown. We haven’t seen what a welterweight Crawford is capable of yet.
Pacquiao has clearly beaten Thurman, one of the jumble of fighters who has or would be in a close fight with each other - Porter, Garcia and Spence. I see no evidence to suggest he wouldn’t do the same to any other of those fighters
Then how could explain and rationalize Shawn Porter's performance against Erroll Spence where he was a huge underdog but you just brushed it off as nothing special?
Spence was regarded as the top of the food chain at 147 who everyone avoided. So why shouldn't Porter get special recognition for his performance against the most ducked and avoided man in the division if the division is not loaded and stacked with talent.
You just refuted your earlier statement which said that Spence was just overrated and Porter's performance was just simply ordinary.
So what did you mean when you said that "He wasn’t exposed
He just showed the hype wasn’t warranted, which is nearly always the case for many fighters
There’s nothing much separating the likes of Garcia, Thurman, Porter and Spence. They can continue to SD each other until the end of time
The rationalisation is simple - Spence was the victim of promotional hype. It doesn’t mean he was exposed, because he is not a bum or a bad fighter. He is just not what the hype painted him out to be, and is simply one of the group of welterweights which nothing really separates them. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
As I mentioned earlier, it’s a fairly simple picture. Spence, Garcia, Thurman and Porter can fight each other in close fights for eternity. A 40 year old Pacquiao is beating that level of fighter clearly
can you imagine what hearns or SR leonard would do to spence? I give porter a lot of credit he comes to fight has limited skills but fights his heart out