Kovalev vs GGG at 175 right now..who wins and why

Alcine put on a clinic and left Lemmy with no answer. Yeah to be honest I never really watched all of it

Kell Brook had GGG's nose bleeding.

Alcine put on a clinic and left Lemmy with no answer. Alcine weighed 157lbs that bout & walked through him.

Kovalev will destroy Little G

I mean GGG was an ATG MW in the ams...great record and silver Olympic medal and all that...and has been an ATG pro at MW...helped in some degree by the fact that he has fought basically his whole career at MW...but not sure what there is to not respect lol...dude has been a great boxer and had a great career. I just feel like you're kind of putting your own little spin on everything instead of keeping it a little more real...Canelo (in fight 2) with GGG was holding his own very well, and was forcing Danny to box on the back foot...obviously the man has some power. Chavez Jr/Brant/Eubank either weren't really that good at 160 and/or didn't really get 'their ass kicked' at 168 lol...they may have lost a fight or two at 168 but they were never really the top guys at 160 either, and lost a fight or two at 160 as well. Murray was a top guy at one point at 160 then he went up and lost a close decision to Abraham (many feel he won) and then got beat in 12 rounds by Groves...no real shame in that, Groves was a top SMW...all four of those guys you mentioned performed about the same at 168 as they did at 160. DJ must rehydrate to 180 or close on fight night...he is listed as 6'0 from what I can tell, but in any event 5'11-6'-0 is pretty tall for a MW...it's about body-type as much as height anyway. But yeah anyway man I don't think you are too out of line with some of your points...but tbh you seem to just try and go overboard with some of them and it kind of seems like you have an agenda...like being adamant that BHop was a bigger puncher than Canelo. Or saying Lemieux doesn't have power...like that's all he has bro lol...also iirc Lemieux was struggling at that time with his stamina, and that was why he folded against Rubio after starting strong, and I believe the same thing happened vs Alcine...once you get tired your power will fade a bit. But anyway I guess we will agree to disagree on some of this stuff my friend! No shame in that...all we can do is look at stuff objectively and try to call it like we see it! Alcine put on a clinic and left Lemmy with no answer.

kovalev dwarfs ggg after what i saw tonight...

50%, Jesus Christ (Original Vote 30 Kova, 29 lil g)

I don't respect lil g, not going to hide that but I provide facts to back it up & not just name calling. DJ is better at 160 because 160 is one of the weakest divisions in boxing. You got multiple top 5-10 guys going to 168+ & getting their asses straight up KICKED, Chavez Jr., Murray, Eubank, Brant etc. While you also got multiple 154lbers invading the division & wrecking shop, Canelo, Charlo, Andrade etc. He's also only 5'11, JT, Hopkins, Pavlik, Priog were all taller, DJs size is pretty average he's just fighting in a small 160 divison. Regarding Hopkins he does hit just as hard if not harder than Canelo. Like 80% of Canelos KOs have come when he was a WW. Since then the only stopped 2 guys never stopped before & that was Smith & Lopez. Canelo is not a power puncher by any means. Nor is Lemieux, watch Alcine-Lemieux, Alcine walked through cleeean power punches on the chin & stopped him. Khan, Kirkland, Angulo, Fielding his most recent stoppages had previously been stopped earlier than what Canelo did. His lack of power was also shown against a drained Chavez Jr. Whom Fonfara (50% KO ratio compared to Canelos 64%) stopped even though Chavez was 200+ & did it a year before Canelo did. I mean GGG was an ATG MW in the ams...great record and silver Olympic medal and all that...and has been an ATG pro at MW...helped in some degree by the fact that he has fought basically his whole career at MW...but not sure what there is to not respect lol...dude has been a great boxer and had a great career. I just feel like you're kind of putting your own little spin on everything instead of keeping it a little more real...Canelo (in fight 2) with GGG was holding his own very well, and was forcing Danny to box on the back foot...obviously the man has some power. Chavez Jr/Brant/Eubank either weren't really that good at 160 and/or didn't really get 'their ass kicked' at 168 lol...they may have lost a fight or two at 168 but they were never really the top guys at 160 either, and lost a fight or two at 160 as well. Murray was a top guy at one point at 160 then he went up and lost a close decision to Abraham (many feel he won) and then got beat in 12 rounds by Groves...no real shame in that, Groves was a top SMW...all four of those guys you mentioned performed about the same at 168 as they did at 160. DJ must rehydrate to 180 or close on fight night...he is listed as 6'0 from what I can tell, but in any event 5'11-6'-0 is pretty tall for a MW...it's about body-type as much as height anyway. But yeah anyway man I don't think you are too out of line with some of your points...but tbh you seem to just try and go overboard with some of them and it kind of seems like you have an agenda...like being adamant that BHop was a bigger puncher than Canelo. Or saying Lemieux doesn't have power...like that's all he has bro lol...also iirc Lemieux was struggling at that time with his stamina, and that was why he folded against Rubio after starting strong, and I believe the same thing happened vs Alcine...once you get tired your power will fade a bit. But anyway I guess we will agree to disagree on some of this stuff my friend! No shame in that...all we can do is look at stuff objectively and try to call it like we see it!

Man I don't think you really keeping it real on a number of those items...no offense to ya...and why call a guy you don't like a derogatory name? Kind of makes you look small imo, and also makes any critique you would have of that guy fall flat, since you are pretty clearly emotionally invested in it and maybe aren't being objective about the guy etc. Imo DJ has been better at 160 compared to Barrera at 175..DJ is pretty big for a MW too, don't know why you threw that one in there lol...and yeah his chin was a problem...for whatever reason though it has held up his last few fights, much to my surprise...I always gave DJ a chance vs GGG, but not to go 12 rounds...didn't think the chin would hold up...maybe he got some injections in it lol...going 12 with GGG SD Sulecki and Canelo is surprising for him/his chin. I would also say Murray was about the same level as the DJ win for GGG...and Lemieux more or less as well...maybe Geale if you wanted to throw him in...I saw GGG get two pretty straightforward Ws vs Canelo too so I would have those as his 2 'best' wins. Never watched Bika-Calzaghe...but yeah Bika-Ward was like 50-50 fight imo...if you didn't know who either guy was and if the fight was in a neutral environment either guy could have won...I just don't really see how anyone can say Ward dominated anything in that fight. How are you honestly going to say that BHop is a bigger puncher than Canelo lol...BHop was not a big puncher...and Canelo held the center of the ring very well in fight 2, but the only round where GGG even boxed off the back foot for any extended period of time was round 5, and that was actually one of GGG's best/clearest rounds imo. Also Canelo is a pressure fighter, that was never BHop's game...so style wise I don't really see how one could say Hopkins would hurt GGG with his punches or would walk him down...just saw no evidence of that from either guy in their career...DJ punched harder than BHop and so does Canelo honestly....Lemieux as well. So yeah man no offense but I just don't think you are keeping it too real on this one...maybe you are a big Ward fan as your avatar indicates so you may just see red with anything and everything Golovkin. Also - did you think Ward won the first Kov fight? Just noticed your 32-0 record for Ward and was wondering about that...just can't see how anyone could get to 5 rounds for Andre in that fight, let alone 7. I don't respect lil g, not going to hide that but I provide facts to back it up & not just name calling. DJ is better at 160 because 160 is one of the weakest divisions in boxing. You got multiple top 5-10 guys going to 168+ & getting their asses straight up KICKED, Chavez Jr., Murray, Eubank, Brant etc. While you also got multiple 154lbers invading the division & wrecking shop, Canelo, Charlo, Andrade etc. He's also only 5'11, JT, Hopkins, Pavlik, Priog were all taller, DJs size is pretty average he's just fighting in a small 160 divison. Regarding Hopkins he does hit just as hard if not harder than Canelo. Like 80% of Canelos KOs have come when he was a WW. Since then the only stopped 2 guys never stopped before & that was Smith & Lopez. Canelo is not a power puncher by any means. Nor is Lemieux, watch Alcine-Lemieux, Alcine walked through cleeean power punches on the chin & stopped him. Khan, Kirkland, Angulo, Fielding his most recent stoppages had previously been stopped earlier than what Canelo did. His lack of power was also shown against a drained Chavez Jr. Whom Fonfara (50% KO ratio compared to Canelos 64%) stopped even though Chavez was 200+ & did it a year before Canelo did.

Im going with Spence to beat Porter. I think he's too strong for Porter to rough up consistently and he's going to get caught coming in. Spence has a very good jab and throws to the body really well. Benavitez and Dirrell. Don't know. I haven't followed either guy. Looking at the odds Benavitez is favored so I will go with him. Lol...an honest man...few and far between...thanks for the predictions

Lol....... :) Prediction for the 2 fights tonight? Im going with Spence to beat Porter. I think he's too strong for Porter to rough up consistently and he's going to get caught coming in. Spence has a very good jab and throws to the body really well. Benavitez and Dirrell. Don't know. I haven't followed either guy. Looking at the odds Benavitez is favored so I will go with him.

Thanks. It's the thought that counts. LOL... Lol....... :) Prediction for the 2 fights tonight?

Great post Tony...I never really followed Pac's career too much, but I share your sentiments for the most part...tried to give ya green K but need to spread it around Thanks. It's the thought that counts. LOL...

Vote, Post and discuss I’m picking Kovalev at this point.. GGG albeit very good is not very elusive. Look at all the small fighters who came up from weight class to weight class all have that ability to avoid big shots from bigger opponents... or atleast outspeed them with movement. GGG has neither. At least with canelo, he has the upper body movement to avoid unnecessary punishments.. Ggg will be relying on his boxing skill alone.. and it’s not like Kovalev is lacking any as well. He’ll be going fire with fire. Kovalev’s weakness are body punches.. it slows him down, removes his power and reduces his fuel. And GGG seldom throws body punches.. he only even threw a few in two canelo fights. I like GGG and i thought he won atleast one of the Canelo fights.. but he doesn’t have the ability to beat Kovalev at this point.. you need speed against bigger opponents. Look at Mikey Garcia.. he’s very good but he doesn’t have the speed to deal with good big guys. Manny and floyd are best examples. If you gotta go up, at least have the speed advantage since you’re smaller.

Golovkin not moving up is making him hundreds of millions of dollars. Golovkin does not have the large rabid fan base that Canelo has in order to support him no matter who he fights. He's not based out of his home country at adjacent to it like Canelo or someone like Murata. Moving up guarantees nothing. It worked for Pacquiao but that involved a lot of catchweight fights and selective matchmaking. I give him full credit for taking on Thurman at 147. I don't for beating Oscar. I don't dislike Pacquiao I think he's amazing but for those reasons and others I take some of his wins with a grain of salt. Include Mayweather In that also. if you think moving up and targeting selective fighters is OK then fine. I don't see them as the only criteria in making a fighter great. Great post Tony...I never really followed Pac's career too much, but I share your sentiments for the most part...tried to give ya green K but need to spread it around

If you want to say Canelo met him in the center of the ring and surprised the heck out of everyone fine but Golovkin did not get walked down in that fight. I don't know what idiot started this theme but it's kind of caught on. Right...as with like 90% of the criticism GGG gets imo...it is just way overboard lol...like why embellish so much...some just seem really desperate to hate on GGG for any reason possible

Drag Canelo up? I guess credibility isn’t anything you are interested in achieving. Right...I don't even understand the posts of some on here at times...so emotional, name-calling other fighters, hell-bent on defending their guys by any means necessary lol..just seems like an exhausting and kind of depressing way to watch/follow the sport.

Barrera & DJ fight similar but SB has proven more in a loaded division & he's got a significant size advantage on DJ who isn't that big of a MW. SB has wins over Smith Jr., Murat & Shabs. DJ has Derey, Mora, Quillin, & Quillin didn't even beat Andy Lee! He drew with him only bc they scored a false knockdown in Quillins favor so DJ literally fought the loser lol. Chin wise DJ was crushed in 5 by Pirog & dropped by Mora lol, SB has him beat in every way. Either way SB was a tuneup bout for a retired Ward while DJ is lil gs #1 win by a mile. Bika-Ward wasn't that close, after about the 3rd round Bika couldn't connect on any headshots & it was all Ward. Bika-Calzaghe on the other hand was much closer. Regarding Hopkins, he punches harder than Canelo who was walking lil g down. Canelo is not a KO artist, never has, never will be, he couldn't even put a dent in Zombie-Chavez but you know who could Fonfara could & Chavez was fully loaded at 172. 160 is a joke. lil g was offered all sorts of fights, issue is he didn't want them like the Ward bout. Man I don't think you really keeping it real on a number of those items...no offense to ya...and why call a guy you don't like a derogatory name? Kind of makes you look small imo, and also makes any critique you would have of that guy fall flat, since you are pretty clearly emotionally invested in it and maybe aren't being objective about the guy etc. Imo DJ has been better at 160 compared to Barrera at 175..DJ is pretty big for a MW too, don't know why you threw that one in there lol...and yeah his chin was a problem...for whatever reason though it has held up his last few fights, much to my surprise...I always gave DJ a chance vs GGG, but not to go 12 rounds...didn't think the chin would hold up...maybe he got some injections in it lol...going 12 with GGG SD Sulecki and Canelo is surprising for him/his chin. I would also say Murray was about the same level as the DJ win for GGG...and Lemieux more or less as well...maybe Geale if you wanted to throw him in...I saw GGG get two pretty straightforward Ws vs Canelo too so I would have those as his 2 'best' wins. Never watched Bika-Calzaghe...but yeah Bika-Ward was like 50-50 fight imo...if you didn't know who either guy was and if the fight was in a neutral environment either guy could have won...I just don't really see how anyone can say Ward dominated anything in that fight. How are you honestly going to say that BHop is a bigger puncher than Canelo lol...BHop was not a big puncher...and Canelo held the center of the ring very well in fight 2, but the only round where GGG even boxed off the back foot for any extended period of time was round 5, and that was actually one of GGG's best/clearest rounds imo. Also Canelo is a pressure fighter, that was never BHop's game...so style wise I don't really see how one could say Hopkins would hurt GGG with his punches or would walk him down...just saw no evidence of that from either guy in their career...DJ punched harder than BHop and so does Canelo honestly....Lemieux as well. So yeah man no offense but I just don't think you are keeping it too real on this one...maybe you are a big Ward fan as your avatar indicates so you may just see red with anything and everything Golovkin. Also - did you think Ward won the first Kov fight? Just noticed your 32-0 record for Ward and was wondering about that...just can't see how anyone could get to 5 rounds for Andre in that fight, let alone 7.

If lil g thought he could move up multiple divisions he'd have done it because it'd make him the most money, that's the point. Canelo did & now he's on his way to hundreds of millions of dollars if he pulls this off, already making tens of millions per fight from moving up & down in weight. Lil g didn't even mention 175 when he called out everyone from 154-168 & proceeded to drag Canelo up. Drag Canelo up? I guess credibility isn’t anything you are interested in achieving.

If lil g thought he could move up multiple divisions he'd have done it because it'd make him the most money, that's the point. Canelo did & now he's on his way to hundreds of millions of dollars if he pulls this off, already making tens of millions per fight from moving up & down in weight. Lil g didn't even mention 175 when he called out everyone from 154-168 & proceeded to drag Canelo up. Golovkin not moving up is making him hundreds of millions of dollars. Golovkin does not have the large rabid fan base that Canelo has in order to support him no matter who he fights. He's not based out of his home country at adjacent to it like Canelo or someone like Murata. Moving up guarantees nothing. It worked for Pacquiao but that involved a lot of catchweight fights and selective matchmaking. I give him full credit for taking on Thurman at 147. I don't for beating Oscar. I don't dislike Pacquiao I think he's amazing but for those reasons and others I take some of his wins with a grain of salt. Include Mayweather In that also. if you think moving up and targeting selective fighters is OK then fine. I don't see them as the only criteria in making a fighter great.