- -Morales NOT past prime and PAC 2-1 2 KOs...end of your faery tails...
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You actually think that Morales was in his prime when he beat Pacquaio?
What a dummy :lol1:
Sorry, not the socks.
The sock story was for the first JMM fight.
You are so confused. Go ahead google it .
Link me to the sock story on the Morales fight.
You won't find one.
He said I'd knock him out with Reyes gloves.
He did .
Amazingly a past prime Morales, won another belt after back to back KO losses to Pac.
People who lost to Pac had excuses.
MAB had forest fire.
Morales, weight problems and done.
Oscar, drained and has been.
JMM, I was robbed.
Hatton had a bad training camp with a bad trainer ( Floyd Sr ).
And excuses made up by Pac haters.
Thurman was rusty .
Of course the they were really not good argument over Vargas and Bradley.
When Pac fought Hatton, he was ducking black fighters like Bradley. When he fought him, he was not really good.
Ok it seems it was Marquez 1 about the socks I stand corrected.
But the drug test and gloves were his excuses for Morales.
Yeah Morales won a bull**** vacant WBC belt against Cano who wasn't even ranked at the time :lol1: And he struggled in that fight too.
Are you actually trying to insinuate that Morales wasn't past his prime when he beat Pacquaio?
Sorry, not the socks.
The sock story was for the first JMM fight.
You are so confused. Go ahead google it .
Link me to the sock story on the Morales fight.
You won't find one.
He said I'd knock him out with Reyes gloves.
He did .
Amazingly a past prime Morales, won another belt after back to back KO losses to Pac.
People who lost to Pac had excuses.
MAB had forest fire.
Morales, weight problems and done.
Oscar, drained and has been.
JMM, I was robbed.
Hatton had a bad training camp with a bad trainer ( Floyd Sr ).
And excuses made up by Pac haters.
Thurman was rusty .
Of course the they were really not good argument over Vargas and Bradley.
When Pac fought Hatton, he was ducking black fighters like Bradley. When he fought him, he was not really good.
What if excuses are real, do you ignore them ?
Who did Manny beat even close to Duran, Hagler, or Hearns?
You can't base a career over 3 wins, Pac has achieved far beyond srl over 71 fights.
He took immediate rematch with former lightweight Duran as Duran got out of shape. Hag ler had slipped after wars and was such a close fight anyway, and it only counts as one win over hagler. Hearn s was good win.
But then srl losing to nobodies not even 35 years old has to count against Srl compared to pac. Srl only had a 11 or 12 year career also. Wins over duran, Hagler and Hearn s cant elevate him over pac and perform miracles which it would be if you are implying srl is greater than pac. Pac gave 24 years of his life for you, for us.
Come on now.Pac s had 71 fights and rarely fights total bums..SRL always rated high on only 4 great wins over duran, hacker hearns and Benitez and lalonde
Who did Manny beat even close to Duran, Hagler, or Hearns?
No I haven't. He blamed that loss on socks also. That's a fact.
He blamed the loss on;
Drug tests
Socks
Winning gloves
I don't care when the test was or why it was done, he took a drug test and blamed the loss for it.
Amongst other things listed which you are now attempting to justify.
He lost to a past prime Morales, end of story.
Sorry, not the socks.
The sock story was for the first JMM fight.
You are so confused. Go ahead google it .
Link me to the sock story on the Morales fight.
You won't find one.
He said I'd knock him out with Reyes gloves.
He did .
Amazingly a past prime Morales, won another belt after back to back KO losses to Pac.
People who lost to Pac had excuses.
MAB had forest fire.
Morales, weight problems and done.
Oscar, drained and has been.
JMM, I was robbed.
Hatton had a bad training camp with a bad trainer ( Floyd Sr ).
And excuses made up by Pac haters.
Thurman was rusty .
Of course the they were really not good argument over Vargas and Bradley.
When Pac fought Hatton, he was ducking black fighters like Bradley. When he fought him, he was not really good.
Ok and?
He still blamed the loss on the drug test plus multiple other excuses.
Morales was finished by then anyway.
lol. a morales that almost beat maidana, a maidana that beat floyd in the 1st fight. :lol1:
You got the socks story in the wrong fight .
Multiple excuses, go ahead link me to them .
Pac did not expect a blood test in the week of the fight .
Roach made an error. They did not send the blood weeks before the fight . Was that a drug test or the mandatory HIV test ? If that was a DRUG test, how come it was postponed ? How come they were able to skate it during camp?
Yeah, sure tell me, who pays $40K to get someone to wear Winning gloves ?
Yeah, MORALES.
But, he pulled that sh8 for free against MAB.
EM was Arum's meal ticket then and he was able to pull moves . Even on MAB.
The gloves would not fit MAB's wrist and refused to wear them . That was until the NYSAC people allowed MAB's trainer to cut the wrist area .
Oh, there's this other guy who paid MILLIONS to have the other guy wear the gloves of his choice .
No I haven't. He blamed that loss on socks also. That's a fact.
He blamed the loss on;
Drug tests
Socks
Winning gloves
I don't care when the test was or why it was done, he took a drug test and blamed the loss for it.
Amongst other things listed which you are now attempting to justify.
He lost to a past prime Morales, end of story.
Ok and?
He still blamed the loss on the drug test plus multiple other excuses.
Morales was finished by then anyway.
You got the socks story in the wrong fight .
Multiple excuses, go ahead link me to them .
Pac did not expect a blood test in the week of the fight .
Roach made an error. They did not send the blood weeks before the fight . Was that a drug test or the mandatory HIV test ? If that was a DRUG test, how come it was postponed ? How come they were able to skate it during camp?
Yeah, sure tell me, who pays $40K to get someone to wear Winning gloves ?
Yeah, MORALES.
But, he pulled that sh8 for free against MAB.
EM was Arum's meal ticket then and he was able to pull moves . Even on MAB.
The gloves would not fit MAB's wrist and refused to wear them . That was until the NYSAC people allowed MAB's trainer to cut the wrist area .
Oh, there's this other guy who paid MILLIONS to have the other guy wear the gloves of his choice .
Pac said he'd knock him out on Reyes gloves and he did .
Ok and?
He still blamed the loss on the drug test plus multiple other excuses.
Morales was finished by then anyway.
Pacquaio did blame that loss on the drug testing. Specifically being tested close to the fight.
Amongst other excuses such as gloves and wearing the wrong socks.
Pac said he'd knock him out on Reyes gloves and he did .
Man, your info is so wrong.
Floyd and Oscar fought on regulation 20 by 20 ring in Las Vegas. NSAC no longer uses 18 foot ring. Leonard made Hagler agree to 400 sq foot ring when 18 by 18 was the norm. NSAC has 20 by 20 as regulation now .
Jr middles use 10 oz gloves now .
NSAC said the only time they have gone lower than 20 by 20 after a long time was for The Contender show.
Why would Floyd mind 10 oz Reyes gloves when he's used to orthopedic Grant gloves ?
Pac blamed the testing for his loss against EM?
Where did you get that ?
That was Pac's FIRST FIGHT at 130. FIRST.
3 fights removed from 122. Pac went up to 126 to be fed to MAB. Murad Muhammad was his manager .
How would you like MAB as your first fight at 126 ?
Then a draw with JMM and one tune up bout.
Was getting ready to fight JMM again AT 126.
JMM dropped out.
Murad Muhammad happily took the Morales fight on 10 weeks' notice and secretly signed in to the Winning glove provision . Roach did not even know about it until 2 weeks before the fight .
Pac was not strong enough for Morales . He got bounced and he could not hurt Morales enough. People talk about Morales outboxing Pac but the simple truth was Pac was just not strong enough for Morales then at 130.
I had a WC pass from Prize********* 5 weeks before that fight . I asked around what Pac's weight then. One of Pac's people told me Pac was not weighing himself because it put too much pressure on him to keep gaining weight while hard training .
Leonard WAITED TILL HAGLER slowed down. FACT.
Hagler had wars with Tommy AND MUGABI.
That Mugabi fight showed Leonard, Hagler was slowing down. Then he still dictated the terms . HE WAS THE ASIDE . Much as Oscar was against Pac.
If Hagler did not agree to 12 rds, 400 sq foot ring and 10 oz gloves, he would have won. 8 oz was regulation then. So was the 18 foot ring.
Leonard also rushed Duran to a rematch. HE KNEW Duran ballooned to 190 lbs .
I guess we can have those asterisks on Leonard too .
He won his FOURTH AND FIFTH belt on the same day he had Lalonde come to the ring on comatose at 168, instead of 175.
They weighed in THE DAy of the fight .
Pacquaio did blame that loss on the drug testing. Specifically being tested close to the fight.
Amongst other excuses such as gloves and wearing the wrong socks.
I couldn't read pass the first two sentencing. From the looks of its you'll just disagree with all the facts.
The facts you made up.
"September 20 rematch
De la Hoya and Mayweather were scheduled for a rematch on September 20, 2008. However, unlike the first fight, the fight would have been contracted for 147 lbs. or the welterweight limit. The first fight was contracted at light middleweight or 154 lbs and de la Hoya's WBC junior middleweight title was on the line. However, Mayweather would have come in as champion and defended his WBC/The Ring welterweight titles. As a tune-up fight, De la Hoya fought Stephen Forbes (33–6) on May 3, with Floyd Mayweather, Sr. as his trainer. De La Hoya (39–5, 30 KOs) looked extremely sluggish but ultimately won a unanimous decision over Forbes, 119–109, 119–109 and 120–108.
The rematch never took place due to Mayweather's retirement in 2008 and De La Hoya's retirement in 2009, although Mayweather would return to boxing in 2009 and after further retirement again in 2017 to face Conor McGregor. "
Lo and behold, there's the reason why Oscar went down to fight Forbes .
Pac was not the reason.
But let's blame Pac .