what great wins has Canelo got? I dont get it....it took him to the age of 35 to make a single good defence against a the top contender with jacobs, let alone a great win.
Lemieux is a good win, but great? Lemmys haircut was greater than his resume.
You know, I'm not knocking his 3 year run from Lemieux to Canelo, its very respectable for a champion. But thats all it is, dont make out its some ATG/HOF title run.... if it is then the HOF/ATG ranks just got quadrupled in size with all the other people with runs like Golovkin.
Dont give GGG a free pass just cos hes called GGG, he should earn his place along with everyone else.
Golovkin's resume is rubbish
name a supposed top fighter with a worse resume than Golovkin?
promised the world:
" anyone from 154-168 "
delivered almost nothing:
- Jacobs*
- Lemieux
- Murray
that is the very dictionary definition of an underachiever
name a supposedly top fighter with a worse resume than Golovkin?
fans (rightly) criticize Arturo Gatti for being in the HOF
but Gatti probably has a better resume than Hypekin
Gatti knocked out all those mid-level guys... just like Hypekin did
#underachiever
Lara, Cotto, Trout and Mosley are considered top wins by diva fans.
Lara, Contoversial SD
Cotto,small, faded, had already lost 4X and been KO'd 2X
by the time he lost by UD to Alvarez.
Trout, a guy who loses (5X) every time he steps up in class
Mosley, 42 yrs old, and a 7X loser when he lost to the diva by decision.
Both Cotto and Mosely stood toe to toe with the diva and lost by decisions. The much smaller Pacquiao had Cotto down a few times before they finally stopped the slaughter. Mosley got knocked down in the 3rd and spent the rest of the fight just trying to survive.
The diva's wins were better than losing, but Pac's wins are what you call a good win.
guys, if anyone is stupid enough to take Boxing1013 seriously...
this is his legacy...
thinks that Golovkin has a better resume than Canelo.....
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thinks that one of the " killers " on Golovkin's resume could have beaten Canelo.... but he will not say which one LMAO
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thinks that Murray Lemieux Monroe and Vanes, are better wins for Golovkin..... than Lara Cotto Trout and Mosley, are for Canelo.....
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thinks that Andre Ward is no better than Bika Barrera and Miranda
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thinks that Golovkin has 5-6 'great' wins..... but cannot even name 1 of those 'great' wins
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creates a thread misquoting Steve Weisfeld.....
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thinks that Golovkin has faced more quality opposition than almost any other fighter in history.....
If anyone wishes to engage in gentlemanly debate with me about Canelo/GGG resumes...Ward's career relative to Bika/Barrera and Miranda etc...why those 4 wins for GGG are impressive (hint dominant stoppages matter more than 12 round tight 'wins')...I am all ears...always up for a good friendly debate.
I've listed GGG's best wins...they are obvious...I've listed the guys on G's resume who I think could have given Canelo trouble...and I said one of them could have beaten him...let me bold this for you - this means that out of 5 guys that would be bad matchups for Canelo, while he would be the favorite in maybe all of them, he very possibly could lose one of them.
Not really earth shattering stuff...not sure why you take everything so personal lol...you get so emotional man lol...already addressed the Weisfeld thing as well...waste of time with you ;) lol
Boxing1013..... WALL OF STUPIDITY
guys, if anyone is stupid enough to take Boxing1013 seriously...
this is his legacy...
thinks that Golovkin has a better resume than Canelo.....
I just made a thread about specifically why people rate Canelo's resume as better than GGG's...and I laid out my case as to why I rate GGG's better.....
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=820918
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thinks that one of the " killers " on Golovkin's resume could have beaten Canelo.... but he will not say which one LMAO
I don't think Canelo would have gotten all of his guys out by KO and maybe would not have 'won' all of them.....
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=820918&page=10
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thinks that Murray Lemieux Monroe and Vanes, are better wins for Golovkin..... than Lara Cotto Trout and Mosley, are for Canelo.....
Canelo's top wins would be Lara..Jacobs and Cotto imo...GGG's would be Jacobs, Murray and Lemieux...I don't see a ton of separation there..... winning 7-5 vs a great Lara...and going 12 with a shot fat Cotto...is not imo better than 8 Round destruction of Lemieux...and 11 round destruction of Murray..... Vanes was inactive and moving up in weight...but he wasn't shot like SSM more or less was..... I don't think going 12 with Mosley when Canelo did, or 12 with Trout, are better wins than GGG running through Monroe and Geale.....
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=820918&page=16
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thinks that Andre Ward is no better than Bika Barrera and Miranda
I just never really saw the skills from him..... if he was born in a different country I don't think he would have been looked at much differently than Bika Barrera or Miranda etc.....
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19903762#post19903762
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thinks that Golovkin has 5-6 'great' wins..... but cannot even name 1 of those 'great' wins
Yeah he has about 10+ good wins imo...and 5-6 'great' wins if you want to term it that...great fighter, great career...an ATG at MW...that's pretty clear I think..... If a great win is a dominant win over another prime great fighter...I would say GGG has quite a few tbh.....
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=821123&page=20
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creates a thread misquoting Steve Weisfeld.....
Boxing1013 attempted to remove defence, ring generalship, and effective aggression, as official scoring criteria..... to justify why he thinks Golovkin beat Canelo in their rematch..... but, had NO IDEA that Steve Weisfeld was AN OFFICIAL JUDGE at the Canelo/Golovkin rematch..... and Weisfeld scored that fight for Canelo looool
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=818903
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thinks that Golovkin has faced more quality opposition than almost any other fighter in history.....
never had a slip up against quality opposition, and he faced probably more of them than almost any other fighter in history...
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=824905
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thinks that Lemieux, Murray... are the same level of Canelo/Jacobs
Lemieux, Murray pretty clearly around the level of SD Canelo Jacobs...
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20112309#post20112309
the word i used was prime, so yes it would appear there is someone here who "just wants to argue" unabated.
try again, this time use the post not your imagination.
it certainly wasnt a stellar win, nowhere near it.
But it's still a good win and when you combine that win with about 15 other ones of the same nature...except in all the other ones G showed no real signs of vulnerability at all...well I just think that is exceptional for any fighter, and history proves that to be correct when you look at other greats' resumes...if that upsets you and you want to try to spin it to suit your worldview, feel free my friend!! Have a great day, sincerely :)
Ok man have a great day!
Some just want to argue and insult over everything...yawn...
IB was a good fighter...now go ahead and name one other decent win he had besides Hearn. the word i used was prime, so yes it would appear there is someone here who "just wants to argue" unabated.
try again, this time use the post not your imagination.
No one here is hyping up GGG's win over Ouma lol...it was a great exciting fight and a good finish...probably my favorite GGG fight...just a phone booth war...as I've said before, probably even in this thread, going to war against Ouma at that time (even if G was sick as some claim) is not exactly a stellar win.
it certainly wasnt a stellar win, nowhere near it.
But it's still a good win and when you combine that win with about 15 other ones of the same nature...except in all the other ones G showed no real signs of vulnerability at all...well I just think that is exceptional for any fighter, and history proves that to be correct when you look at other greats' resumes...if that upsets you and you want to try to spin it to suit your worldview, feel free my friend!! Have a great day, sincerely :)
So Martinez is better than GGG because he got an absolute gift in his hometown against a guy that GGG flattened?
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=martinez-murray-compubox
This isn't even close.
More accurate. The harder punches. Had a KD. Everyone in boxing knows that fight was a sham.
He knocked down Martinez twice, but since the ref was biased, only one was counted.
Don't go around being objective here, buddy...;)
Hearns fought a prime IB.
GGG fought a finished Ouma.
its not bad ko, but what is impressive is after all these years GGG fans still swallow it as some kind of defence against a prime opponent.
Some just want to argue and insult over everything...yawn...
IB was a good fighter...now go ahead and name one other decent win he had besides Hearn.
No one here is hyping up GGG's win over Ouma lol...it was a great exciting fight and a good finish...probably my favorite GGG fight...just a phone booth war...as I've said before, probably even in this thread, going to war against Ouma at that time (even if G was sick as some claim) is not exactly a stellar win.
But it's still a good win and when you combine that win with about 15 other ones of the same nature...except in all the other ones G showed no real signs of vulnerability at all...well I just think that is exceptional for any fighter, and history proves that to be correct when you look at other greats' resumes...if that upsets you and you want to try to spin it to suit your worldview, feel free my friend!! Have a great day, sincerely :)
Hm Ouma had 11 losses...got KOed only twice...once by G.
Well Barkley had 19 Ls so surely you kills Hearns for losing to him twice...right???? What a fin bum lol ;)
it just proves you cant read, or you are a boxrec bum with no concept of being prime or past it.
Hearns fought a prime IB.
GGG fought a finished Ouma.
Yep stopping him was impressive since even in his losses for Ouma they are basically all decisions...but not exactly a career defining win/fight...fortunately those would come later for G vs Nelo ;) its not bad ko, but what is impressive is after all these years GGG fans still swallow it as some kind of defence against a prime opponent.
STOP !!
back up kid, and stop being a dumb casual-fan...
FACT: Martinez has THREE wins that are clearly better than anyone on Golovkin's SHABBY resume... TWO of those wins are clearly A LOT BETTER than anyone on Golovkin's SHABBY resume
he PROVED that he has a higher ceiling by climbing higher mountains
FACT: we told you clowns that Bullshltkin should be taking the fights he was avoiding
Martinez > Golovkin
NAMES > Bullshlt
So Martinez is better than GGG because he got an absolute gift in his hometown against a guy that GGG flattened?
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=martinez-murray-compubox
This isn't even close.
More accurate. The harder punches. Had a KD. Everyone in boxing knows that fight was a sham.
He knocked down Martinez twice, but since the ref was biased, only one was counted.
plenty of mid-level fighters win belts... the IBF literally give them away
he took more L's than a $2 whore takes cawks
he was a poor mans Jeff Lacey
Hm Ouma had 11 losses...got KOed only twice...once by G.
Well Barkley had 19 Ls so surely you kills Hearns for losing to him twice...right???? What a fin bum lol ;)
hes no JM but he was on long streak of losses by the time GGG fought him,
Yep stopping him was impressive since even in his losses for Ouma they are basically all decisions...but not exactly a career defining win/fight...fortunately those would come later for G vs Nelo ;)
they did everything they could to weasel out of the Jacobs fight
if the WBA had not ordered that fight and threatened to strip Golovkin... he would never have fought Danny Jacobs
How can anyone take you seriously...how can you even take yourself seriously lol...GGG literally gave Jacobs more money than they were mandated just to make the fight...Jacobs was happy at the mando with the regular belt for as long as it lasted...he didn't want to face G unless it was for '2 Quillins'...surely you remember that...yawn
As usual a lot of the animus directed at GGG is either embellished or just clearly wrong...hate on though man, I know it sustains you
Most pro fighters saw Alvarez win so the opinions of a bunch of couch potatoes & racist / biased media with an agenda remains irrelevant. Latinos and blacks don't vote on cyber polls posted by this forum, bloody elbow, etc and it would be like FOX news bragging up Trump having the white vote despite the fact that others races don't like him, similiar to this site where only your people suck Golovtard up while others woke up + see him as a fraud. I don't hype up Canelo since I am new here y he is thinking about fighting Munguia instead of a Jermall who is decent or okay.
Most pro fighters, no--- almost everyone thought Golovkin won the first fight. But that doesnt' fit your agenda, does it? You'll still claim "CaNeLo WoN bOtH fIgHtS".
Don't be a hypocrite just cause he's one of your favorite fighters. I don't care if you think he won the second fight, I think that's a fair call. But I'm pretty damn certain you'll just make excuses for the first fight despite making such a hypocritical comment as justification.
Most pro fighters saw Alvarez win so the opinions of a bunch of couch potatoes & racist / biased media with an agenda remains irrelevant. Latinos and blacks don't vote on cyber polls posted by this forum, bloody elbow, etc and it would be like FOX news bragging up Trump having the white vote despite the fact that others races don't like him, similiar to this site where only your people suck Golovtard up while others woke up + see him as a fraud. I don't hype up Canelo since I am new here y he is thinking about fighting Munguia instead of a Jermall who is decent or okay.
Wow man you sound really racist my friend. Hope you get all that sorted out...sincerely...seems like you are viewing everything through a prism of race and that is probably skewing your ability to score the fights.
When you get outlanded in 10/11 rounds (1 tie)...and 8/11 rounds (1 tie)...I don't really see the logic in saying you dominated either fight...usually that would mean there isn't really a legitimate case to be made that you could have won those fights...and those two Nelo/Ggg fights are no different imo.
Competitive enough but G was just the better man in both and no shame in that for Canelo...I do encourage you to try to leave the racial stuff at the door when you score fights and just in general
..seems like a lot of extra weight to carry around and can't be healthy for ya.
How are you going to call Ouma a journeyman...he won belts lol...like IBF at 154...and before he lost to GGG he hadn't been KOed but once 12 years before that
hes no JM but he was on long streak of losses by the time GGG fought him, and really not acceptable as a title defence.
Which is fine,because GGG had no title at the time, just one of the fake ones.