Coppinger Reveals More Info on Whyte's Dirty Test!

OctoberRed6y ago

Inside the Dillian Whyte-Oscar Rivas controversy, from ultra-trace amounts of banned substances to unexpected gloves https://theathletic.com/1099491/2019/07/26/inside-the-dillian-whyte-oscar-rivas-controversy/ By Mike Coppinger After being forced to fight without a title shot, despite being in the top position for over 600 days, the WBC sanctioned his bout with Oscar Rivas for its interim heavyweight title and stipulated that the winner would receive a title shot next year. Whyte survived a rocky moment — a ninth-round knockdown — to edge Rivas on points in an action-packed brawl Saturday at the O2 in London. It seemed Whyte, 31, could now simply wait to see who would emerge victorious in 2020 rematch between WBC heavyweight titleholder Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury. Then, the news hit. BoxingScene reported this week that Whyte tested positive for the banned substances epimethandienone and hydroxymethandienone, byproducts of the anabolic steroid dianabol. The report indicated the positive test was known in advance of the fight, leaving many questions. Whyte’s A sample revealed the metabolites; his B sample hasn’t been tested yet. The collection date of the samples isn’t known. One metabolite — 17-epimithandienone —was evident in Whyte’s system at a measurement of 0.9 ng/ml (nanograms per milliliter), an industry source told The Athletic. That’s nine-tenths of one part per billion, signifying an ultra-trace amount of the substance. Another metabolite — 6B-hydroxymethandienone — was found at a measurement of 3.0 ng/ml, per source, which equals three parts per billion, also considered an ultra-trace amount. Eddie Hearn, Whyte’s longtime promoter, told The Athletic on Thursday at the Maurice Hooker-Jose Ramirez news conference that the heavyweight contender was cleared by United Kingdom Anti-Doping (UKAD) and by the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC) to compete during a hearing that took place the week of the fight. (Hearn declined to reveal the date of the hearing.) Rivas and his team, which include promoter Yvon Michel, were never notified that there was an adverse finding in Whyte’s system nor were they aware of a hearing prior to publication of the report, Rivas’ cutman, Russ Anber, told The Athletic. “Up to this moment, nobody on the concerned parties has confirmed or denied to us this information,” the Canadian promoter tweeted Thursday. Michel didn’t return a text message or phone call seeking comment. Hearn felt no obligation to report the finding after Whyte was cleared to fight at the hearing, where he was questioned and provided information. “Whether you agree with the decision or don’t agree with the decision (to let Whyte fight), they’re the governing body,” Hearn said. “If you have an issue with that, speak to them.” Whyte and Rivas also underwent advanced testing conducted by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association as mandated by the WBC. Those results haven’t been revealed yet, though Hearn claims Whyte passed a pre-fight test conducted by VADA. When an athlete flunks a VADA test, the organization notifies all parties involved. This isn’t the first time a fight was allowed to go through despite a positive result that was known in advance. Hall of Famer Erik Morales failed a drug test after clenbuterol was found in his system, but his 2012 rematch with Danny Garcia proceeded. “Let the truth come out before you make decisions based on a BoxingScene article,” Hearn pleaded. “What you need to know is this was heard prior to the fight, it wasn’t swept under the carpet. There was a hearing, he was cleared and the fight took place.” This isn’t the first time Whyte (26-1, 18 KOs) is under the microscope related to performance-enhancing substances. He tested positive for methylhexaneamine after a fourth-round knockout of Sandor Balogh in October 2012 and was subsequently suspended two years. What punishment Whyte faces if any, moving forward remains up in the air and is in the hands of UKAD and the BBBoC. "I am so disappointed with the rubbish that has been said about me over the last few days,” Whyte said Friday in a statement released on his social media platforms. “I have lawyers dealing with it and I have been told that I can’t talk about it for good legal reasons. I was cleared to fight and I won that fight fair and square.” Even in trace amounts, two metabolites were found in Whyte’s system. The BBBoC observes the World Anti-Doping Agency’s (WADA) rules — the organization that oversees drug law for the Olympic Games — which state that an athlete is responsible for what enters its body regardless of how it got there under Rule 10. Victor Conte, who founded the infamous Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (BALCO) and served time in prison for supplying designer performance-enhancing substances to world-class athletes, says the evidence of multiple metabolites in Whyte’s system confirms he was exposed to a drug. Now, the question that remains is just how those Dianabol metabolites entered Whyte’s system. “If he was unwittingly exposed to (a PED) with no intent to cheat, he’ll have to pay the price,” Conte, who now supervises the nutrition of many top boxers under his Bay Area-based SNAC brand, told The Athletic during a phone interview Friday. Conte says he doesn’t like the rule since it allows for the possibility that someone is penalized who did nothing wrong, “and that’s not right.” A positive test under the WADA code is qualitative rather than quantitative, Conte observed. “You’re guilty until proven innocent; you must provide evidence,” he said. Whyte hasn’t shined any light yet on how the substances entered his body. He didn’t return a text message seeking comment. The BBBoC released the following non-statement in response to the events: “With regard to the above, United Kingdom Anti-Doping undertake all anti-doping procedures on behalf of the British Boxing Board of Control and any subsequent findings, decisions, suspensions and sanctions are upheld by the British Boxing Board of Control in line with United Kingdom Anti-Doping. “No further comment will be made at this time.”

Comments (20)

Redd_Foxx

So that could explain why he started after two tests conducted within days of each other? Thinking there wouldn't be a 3rd test so quickly? And how would he mask it? I like to stick with subjects I'm knowledgeable in and masking agents aren't something I'm well versed in since I never had to use them, and thus never researched them. Having been around competitive athletes though, I know they are a real thing and are commonly used. If you search "steroid mashing agent" you will find a ton of options, sites selling them, and online forum discussions about them. Most athletes using gear are using a masking agent. The ultimate goal with "designer" steroids is to beat the testing by creating variations that aren't known by the testing agencies and therefore not being screened. A lot of the metabolites, esters, PCT agents, even masking agents, are what people get popped for, rarely elevated testosterone itself. So, a lot of labs are molecularly altering this stuff slightly so it don't get flagged. A lot of the bodybuilding supplements (the $80 bottle of pills behind the counter) are actually alterations of oral steroids. For many years now, labs alter a substances that metabolizes as a steroid so that it's legal, until the FDA issues a warning, then they alter it again, until a couple years later when the FDA issues a warning on the new substance, and the game continues over and over.

6y ago

thesmokingman

So either it seems like you are confused with what I originally said or missed what I was responding to. Look back at what Ray said, my response was to his post. I fully understand VADA and other testing organizations go back to test frozen samples. Sure, that is protocol. He wants VADA to go back RIGHT NOW and test Whyte for the samples they have just recently tested. I'm saying there is no need for that. But yes, moving on........ I see, sorry. Yea, you're correct they won't go back unless there's a reason to. And yea, I don't see a reason to either. And on the point, there's a lot of needless referring back to VADA just to rationalize things. Not sure casuals realize that testing is done on different random days over the course of a period. Not every test will come back the same.

6y ago

KTFOKING

It's doesn't fkn matter for Whyte. They freeze samples for possible later testing. It's standard protocol. You seem to be under the impression that a failed test means that the athlete in question only took whatever substance was detected. It's not like written in stone man. Just cuz a guy got popped for Dbol, doesn't mean that was all he used. Maybe 5 years later they will develop a better plasticizer test and retroacively test boxers to see if any of them have been blood doping or IV flushing. Who knows and who really cares man? Also if you actually read the article I linked, it shows that though they do this, its just more or less self confirmation. You can't win in a court of arbitration, sport court, if the athlete in question has no way to defend themselves. So either it seems like you are confused with what I originally said or missed what I was responding to. Look back at what Ray said, my response was to his post. I fully understand VADA and other testing organizations go back to test frozen samples. Sure, that is protocol. He wants VADA to go back RIGHT NOW and test Whyte for the samples they have just recently tested. I'm saying there is no need for that. But yes, moving on........

6y ago

Redd_Foxx

What do you mean when you say kick start a test cycle and far outside of testing? Dbol is an oral steroid that kicks in quickly. Testosterone has esters attached to it that make it release slower, so you're not getting unstable testosterone ("test") levels during your cycle, which you make you feel like shyt. You take Dbol when you start injecting and after about 3 weeks (depending on the ester) you stop the Dbol because the testosterone is kicking in. This would all be done when you're not going to be drug tested, obviously. The reason a lot of fight dates aren't announced until after the fighters have already started camp is so that they don't have to initiate testing right away.

6y ago

thesmokingman

Thank you for what? I'm asking a legitimate question since you seem well more educated than me on this matter. Why would VADA re-test their samples unless they are unable to detect what Whyte tested positive for? I get why they did for Armstrong and others, but why for Whyte? I am sure they do test for what he tested positive for, but it just left Whyte's system by the time they tested him. It's doesn't fkn matter for Whyte. They freeze samples for possible later testing. It's standard protocol. You seem to be under the impression that a failed test means that the athlete in question only took whatever substance was detected. It's not like written in stone man. Just cuz a guy got popped for Dbol, doesn't mean that was all he used. Maybe 5 years later they will develop a better plasticizer test and retroacively test boxers to see if any of them have been blood doping or IV flushing. Who knows and who really cares man? Also if you actually read the article I linked, it shows that though they do this, its just more or less self confirmation. You can't win in a court of arbitration, sport court, if the athlete in question has no way to defend themselves.

6y ago

KTFOKING

Why can't you just say oh thanks for that info? They'll only retoractively test if there's a reason to. Don't give them a reason and samples may never be unfrozen. They did the 99 Tour because of Pound. He hates Armstrong and was doing anything possible to capture him. Thank you for what? I'm asking a legitimate question since you seem well more educated than me on this matter. Why would VADA re-test their samples unless they are unable to detect what Whyte tested positive for? I get why they did for Armstrong and others, but why for Whyte? I am sure they do test for what he tested positive for, but it just left Whyte's system by the time they tested him.

6y ago

thesmokingman

The thing is, you are assuming VADA doesn't detect what Whyte tested positive for. I'm guessing they do. It just could be a case of UKAD testing Whyte on say June 30, while VADA didn't test until July 4th, and by then the drug was out of Whyte's system. There would be no need for VADA to retroactively test their samples unless they simply haven't been able to detect dianabol, correct? Why can't you just say oh thanks for that info? They'll only retoractively test if there's a reason to. Don't give them a reason and samples may never be unfrozen. They did the 99 Tour because of Pound. He hates Armstrong and was doing anything possible to capture him.

6y ago

KTFOKING

That's exactly what they do. It's called retroactive testing. And athletes tend to fkn hate it for obvious reasons. And also what one gets popped for is not always what they were ingesting/injecting/etc. The quality of roids today is not what it was since China has become the number one supplier. A lot of times guys and gals will pop dirty because the dope they bought from China was not pure. Russia used to be a main supplier, supplying PURE test and EPO to the world market. But they've been replaced by China. Grigory Rodchenkov goes into popping dirty like this in Icarus movie. It's kinda of secret war. China pumps out dirty PEDs so other countries athletes get popped and they reap the rewards. It's a fkn PEDs Cold War out there. Anyways, that's exactly what they do as in 1999. During the 1998 Tour, there was no test for EPO. But samples stored from the race were retroactively tested in 2004. And in August of 2005, it was announced that there were 40 positives from the race. The French Senate has ordered that the riders be identified, but the body delayed the decree until after the conclusion of this year's Tour. The CPA claims that since only a small proportion of riders were tested, the named athletes would be condemned while others who escaped testing would be untainted by the findings. The agency went further to say that the publication of names "would have undeniable and irreversible impact on the reputation of the riders complained of, and on their current and future work. And while the against-analysis seem excluded. The publication of a list would be tantamount to an accusation of doping without any possibility of defense!” https://www.outsideonline.com/1798381/tour-riders-balk-retroactive-testing The thing is, you are assuming VADA doesn't detect what Whyte tested positive for. I'm guessing they do. It just could be a case of UKAD testing Whyte on say June 30, while VADA didn't test until July 4th, and by then the drug was out of Whyte's system. There would be no need for VADA to retroactively test their samples unless they simply haven't been able to detect dianabol, correct?

6y ago

thesmokingman

That's basically what I mean. They so it when their methods improve or they can detect newer PEDs. But they don't go back and test their samples again in the case Ray was referring to. Like why would they re-test their samples they have already taken from Whyte? That's exactly what they do. It's called retroactive testing. And athletes tend to fkn hate it for obvious reasons. And also what one gets popped for is not always what they were ingesting/injecting/etc. The quality of roids today is not what it was since China has become the number one supplier. A lot of times guys and gals will pop dirty because the dope they bought from China was not pure. Russia used to be a main supplier, supplying PURE test and EPO to the world market. But they've been replaced by China. Grigory Rodchenkov goes into popping dirty like this in Icarus movie. It's kinda of secret war. China pumps out dirty PEDs so other countries athletes get popped and they reap the rewards. It's a fkn PEDs Cold War out there. Anyways, that's exactly what they do as in 1999. During the 1998 Tour, there was no test for EPO. But samples stored from the race were retroactively tested in 2004. And in August of 2005, it was announced that there were 40 positives from the race. The French Senate has ordered that the riders be identified, but the body delayed the decree until after the conclusion of this year's Tour. The CPA claims that since only a small proportion of riders were tested, the named athletes would be condemned while others who escaped testing would be untainted by the findings. The agency went further to say that the publication of names "would have undeniable and irreversible impact on the reputation of the riders complained of, and on their current and future work. And while the against-analysis seem excluded. The publication of a list would be tantamount to an accusation of doping without any possibility of defense!” https://www.outsideonline.com/1798381/tour-riders-balk-retroactive-testing

6y ago

KTFOKING

Nah. The keep frozen samples until their test methodology improves. As is the case as with the EPO urine test that was developed. A negative example is the 1999 Lance Armstrong samples. The way the coding on the labels, no one is supposed to know what samples go where w/o the "key" from the sanctioning body. Anyways a decade later they developed EPO urine test. Pound illegally had LLND unfreeze Armstrong's samples and had them tested under the new test protocol. Wham, bam, thank you Ma'am. Armstrong came up positive. But how'd they know it was him? Thanks Di ck Pound, Chief of WADA. The only problem was that it was past the statute of limitations, thus everything was thrown out, never mind the legality of a Lab operating rogue with info that they're not supposed to know. Go WADA! That's basically what I mean. They so it when their methods improve or they can detect newer PEDs. But they don't go back and test their samples again in the case Ray was referring to. Like why would they re-test their samples they have already taken from Whyte?

6y ago

thesmokingman

Testing organizations usually test when new PEDs are discovered and they then test the frozen samples to see if that athlete would have tested positive for that. I could be wrong though. Nah. The keep frozen samples until their test methodology improves. As is the case as with the EPO urine test that was developed. A negative example is the 1999 Lance Armstrong samples. The way the coding on the labels, no one is supposed to know what samples go where w/o the "key" from the sanctioning body. Anyways a decade later they developed EPO urine test. Pound illegally had LLND unfreeze Armstrong's samples and had them tested under the new test protocol. Wham, bam, thank you Ma'am. Armstrong came up positive. But how'd they know it was him? Thanks Di ck Pound, Chief of WADA. The only problem was that it was past the statute of limitations, thus everything was thrown out, never mind the legality of a Lab operating rogue with info that they're not supposed to know. Go WADA!

6y ago

sunny31

WTF are you talking about "sooner and in larger traces"? You clearly don't understand what I'm saying, nor did you understand what I was talking about in regard to fan reactions to the situations. You're another one of these apologists. Thankfully, the vast majority of boxing fans aren't this stupid. We just get a few clowns here that make it look as is all British fans are folks. Most aren't though. I clearly understand what you're saying, you dont seem to...read it back. It looks like The UKAD testing didn't pick it up until well into camp so if he was using the drug for the purpose you say, he would be coming off a cycle and would have popped early. I'm not an apologist, I dont care for these arguments until all the facts are known, it was the same for all these situations, ie Miller, Canelo You are the one who tried to generalise that British fans here are biased and it's not far fetched to think the Boxing Board are corrupt as a result, prob takes the cake of dumb posts in this thread.

6y ago

deathofaclown

i dont think you can say robbie barrett is a) a fan or b) sane. he is literally ret@rded. As for Miller he has neither the team or the promotional clout to even attempt to cover for him in comparison to whyte/AJ. Hearn will try and cover this up best he can, guy is snakeoil salesman & an utter utter c^nt to put it lightly. Canelo and AJ will get away with juicing, but whyte is not on the level of those guys so he MIGHT get whats coming to him, heres hoping... Whyte ain’t on their level but let’s not forget he’s a PPV fighter in the UK and is Eddies only constant PPV fighter outside of AJ. AJ might be as good as done if he loses the rematch Whyte on the other hand is set of face maybr Wilder or Fury next year. He’s very valuable to Hearn and Sky right now and will be even more so if AJ loses.

6y ago

KTFOKING

No retest whatever VADA has with them. This is what other testing agencies do. They go back and re-test previous samples to see if they can find anything that they have missed out previously. Testing organizations usually test when new PEDs are discovered and they then test the frozen samples to see if that athlete would have tested positive for that. I could be wrong though.

6y ago

Dean_Razorback

I don’t think have heard anyone even mentioned VADA. Hearn has claimed VADA also tested Whyte but I don’t think he mentioned anything in regards to him passing those tests, he has been very careful with his words. well, according to robbie whyte passed them lol

6y ago

Ray

the article says that vada hasn't reveal the results yet and is hearn who claims that whyte passed vada testing or i got that wrong? 'cause most of whyte defenders are basing his innocence in that, that he passed vada testing I don’t think have heard anyone even mentioned VADA. Hearn has claimed VADA also tested Whyte but I don’t think he mentioned anything in regards to him passing those tests, he has been very careful with his words.

6y ago

Ray

Test the sample that Whyte popped hot for? That is UKAD's sample so VADA cannot test that one. There is really nothing they can do. Not all of VADA's test results have come back yet so Whyte still may test positive for one of their tests. But as far as them going back and testing on his samples? They can't do anything they haven't already done in that regard. No retest whatever VADA has with them. This is what other testing agencies do. They go back and re-test previous samples to see if they can find anything that they have missed out previously.

6y ago

Dean_Razorback

6y ago

YOU_WILL_LOSE

there's just something about how he PBC plants in the media, on this forum, and other outlets are so consumed with pushing this story with little facts, filling the void with what believe will hurt dazn and hearn. doesnt PBC have a plant within the wbc too?

6y ago

KTFOKING

They can test his hair though. If that's what Whyte wants then sure. But they can't otherwise and it's not like he tested positive for one of their samples. LIS, I want to see just how many times VADA tested for this fight. Hearn is saying they did "extensive" testing while Hauser is saying they did "minimal" testing so what is it? And what does either mean? What constitutes extensive or minimal testing? Hauser clearly has some personal relationship with VADA and is an avid supporter of their testing program. So he could be saying minimal testing to kind of back them up for not potentially catching Whyte. Soon enough we should get all these details though.

6y ago