Dillian Whyte right now...

Remember that time that Dillian Whyte threw a fit that Parker wanted to change gloves a week before the fight because it “disrupted his routine” by any chance? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12096263

That actually happens a bit with Chinese sourced PEDs. The quality is not as high as Russian sourced PEDs. Rodchenkov talked a bit about it in Icarus. When they shut down their manufacturing, they turned to China. They then had a rash of random positives due to dirty PEDs. It's a secret war between nationally funded doping programs. They prepare for the dope they are using, but can often get blindsided by dirty drugs. Get popped for something you did not plan for or didn't know what in the drugs already. Yes, that's why put forward that possibility; most of the black market in UK comes from Chinese sourced powders.

Guilty as charged. Most of the raw powders come from China of course. Labour and bottling cost more than the drug itself, save for maybe masteron and primobolan maybe. Melting points can help u tell what u have. But ur right, I even remember back when Ben Johnson tested positive for winstrol. Later he said he was actually taking Furazabol ( which supposedly wasent on the list as it was before “and its derivatives” was language used to stop tweaked versions of drugs ) so he called the tests flawed. I’ve ***** supposed furazabol once in my life. I know it’s only ever been an oral. So if he was injecting something it was most likely winstrol of course and told it was something else. That was very common back in the day when there was no UG labs. I’m rambling, what I mean to say is I wouldn’t be surprised if he thought he was taking something else like u said. Anti estrogens must be standard too if there’s as many cheats as people say there are. When a boxer shreds down and loses all that water for the weigh in, plus busts a front double bicep, any hint of gyno would be very noticeable. But honestly I never see it and I look. So I don’t know what to say. I mean how much gear can these lighter weights be on and still not jump through the divisions? Course there’s Lasix. I still think a couple well timed low blows while the ref isn’t looking is the most sensible way to cheat. "Back in my days" people cheated with low blows, headbutts etc. It was dirty, but there wasn't a chance of death. And I think the lower weight guys are probably using hardcore illegal duretics if they're using anything. Except when it comes time to move up, then they just disappear for 6 months into the jungle for training, and come back looking like Ivan Drago.

While Dbol was a head scratcher, I'm going to make the assumption that all three of us either are or have been gym rats in the past. Think about everyone you know that's rode dirty...typically its a ****tail. Nobody taking ONLY Dbol. Hell, half the time these guys piss hot they test positive for the PCT. I've also read that since there was some crackdown with the Russian labs, that a lot of guys are getting Chinese PED's now. If that's true, then he could have thought he was taking something better. Or for all we know, Dillian is just afraid of needles and thought it was a better choice than M1T lmfao Guilty as charged. Most of the raw powders come from China of course. Labour and bottling cost more than the drug itself, save for maybe masteron and primobolan maybe. Melting points can help u tell what u have. But ur right, I even remember back when Ben Johnson tested positive for winstrol. Later he said he was actually taking Furazabol ( which supposedly wasent on the list as it was before “and its derivatives” was language used to stop tweaked versions of drugs ) so he called the tests flawed. I’ve ***** supposed furazabol once in my life. I know it’s only ever been an oral. So if he was injecting something it was most likely winstrol of course and told it was something else. That was very common back in the day when there was no UG labs. I’m rambling, what I mean to say is I wouldn’t be surprised if he thought he was taking something else like u said. Anti estrogens must be standard too if there’s as many cheats as people say there are. When a boxer shreds down and loses all that water for the weigh in, plus busts a front double bicep, any hint of gyno would be very noticeable. But honestly I never see it and I look. So I don’t know what to say. I mean how much gear can these lighter weights be on and still not jump through the divisions? Course there’s Lasix. I still think a couple well timed low blows while the ref isn’t looking is the most sensible way to cheat.

I get you. I made the joke “In his defence he never expected that anyone would test for dbol”. Obviously not a joke everyone would understand. When I told my brother he said “Well that’s a first”. ( relating to modern times ) Anyone who knows their stuff would at least raise their eyebrow %1. let’s face it we’d have to sample a millions of people all over the globe to find out how contaminated everything is. I mean it’d be interesting if they tested Canelo whole team for Clen after that ordeal. Yeah, I caught that lol. I said in another thread "at least Miller made an effort". While Dbol was a head scratcher, I'm going to make the assumption that all three of us either are or have been gym rats in the past. Think about everyone you know that's rode dirty...typically its a ****tail. Nobody taking ONLY Dbol. Hell, half the time these guys piss hot they test positive for the PCT. I've also read that since there was some crackdown with the Russian labs, that a lot of guys are getting Chinese PED's now. If that's true, then he could have thought he was taking something better. Or for all we know, Dillian is just afraid of needles and thought it was a better choice than M1T lmfao

I get you. I made the joke “In his defence he never expected that anyone would test for dbol”. Obviously not a joke everyone would understand. When I told my brother he said “Well that’s a first”. ( relating to modern times ) Anyone who knows their stuff would at least raise their eyebrow %1. let’s face it we’d have to sample a millions of people all over the globe to find out how contaminated everything is. I mean it’d be interesting if they tested Canelo whole team for Clen after that ordeal. Yeah, I caught that lol. I said in another thread "at least Miller made an effort".

I'd be less inclined to give them the time of day if the substance found made sense. Dbol is such a poor choice that it gives me pause. I get you. I made the joke “In his defence he never expected that anyone would test for dbol”. Obviously not a joke everyone would understand. When I told my brother he said “Well that’s a first”. ( relating to modern times ) Anyone who knows their stuff would at least raise their eyebrow %1. let’s face it we’d have to sample a millions of people all over the globe to find out how contaminated everything is. I mean it’d be interesting if they tested Canelo whole team for Clen after that ordeal.

I don't think he was, he was ranked 13th in the IBF when he fought AJ. I always thought Pulev was due to be the first IBF mando, until he pulled out. It was on Boxrec until the damned update, I swear! But since I can no longer prove it, I'll bow out of this one for now...

No problem. I found it kind of funny that he's really the only active guy who's fought both Joshua and Wilder and he was mandatory for both. I don't think he was, he was ranked 13th in the IBF when he fought AJ. I always thought Pulev was due to be the first IBF mando, until he pulled out.

No problem. I found it kind of funny that he's really the only active guy who's fought both Joshua and Wilder and he was mandatory for both. Yeah, that is kinda funny

99% of the crowd cheering him on and still couldn't muster enough strength to hurt Rivas, dropped himself and on ****ing drugs to boot....what an absolute ****ing disgrace, Adam Smith licking his ass the entire fight instead of pouring scorn on him like Watts would have done, piece of **** biased Sky TV as always with the "he was once reviled now he's won the affection..." **** off the ref saved whyte in the 12th round as well, he was hurt and the ref jumped in for no apparent reason and separated the fighters

Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of that. No problem. I found it kind of funny that he's really the only active guy who's fought both Joshua and Wilder and he was mandatory for both.

Breazelle was IBF mandatory. Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of that.

99% of the crowd cheering him on and still couldn't muster enough strength to hurt Rivas, dropped himself and on ****ing drugs to boot....what an absolute ****ing disgrace, Adam Smith licking his ass the entire fight instead of pouring scorn on him like Watts would have done, piece of **** biased Sky TV as always with the "he was once reviled now he's won the affection..." **** off

B Side? Sorry I don't follow. Wilder would have got the lion's of the money as any travelling champion would, Charles Martin included. Speaking of Martin, Haymon also got options on Joshua's next two fights, sending over Breazeale and Molina, while Martin got the bag. Where does B side come into it? Breazelle was IBF mandatory.

Charles Martin confused you guys you won't get Wilder to fight in UK and be B side as the champion Whyte problem is he is gassed up probably by UK fans he thinks he has more pull than he actually does turning down final eliminators and title shots all while crying about not getting a title shot B Side? Sorry I don't follow. Wilder would have got the lion's of the money as any travelling champion would, Charles Martin included. Speaking of Martin, Haymon also got options on Joshua's next two fights, sending over Breazeale and Molina, while Martin got the bag. Where does B side come into it?

We're still waiting for the B sample though, aren't we? And clarification of what that substance was. So that's not a "fact" of steroids and loaded gloves. Fine. Whyte needed Anabolic Steroids (Dbol) and potentially loaded gloves and still couldn’t knock Rivas down. Pathetic. That better?

Amazing how the guy is hung, drawn and quartered on here without the facts being established. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it doesn't look bad, but it's shocking how: "Has failed a test, awaiting more details, doesn't look good" goes to "He definitely roided up and had dodgy gloves." You said it yourself: he has failed a test. Facts are established.

From a technical standpoint, yes Ortiz is better but I think is fair to say that physically he is less able. His corner at the end of the 7th round was disturbing to see. I also believe that Whyte's left hook is at least as powerful a single shot as anything Ortiz has, not to mention he was offered far more to fight Whyte than he made for Ortiz. Given Fury's problems out of the ring and his two "fights" prior to Wilder, the match came across as a bit of a strategic cherry pick to me, trying to catch a big name at the right time. Then of course you have the infamous "I'll make you wait for two years" text message AFTER Whyte agreed to fight Ortiz first. All this fuss for a made to order Eurobum offering you millions to knock him out? Charles Martin confused you guys you won't get Wilder to fight in UK and be B side as the champion Whyte problem is he is gassed up probably by UK fans he thinks he has more pull than he actually does turning down final eliminators and title shots all while crying about not getting a title shot

Yes I understand that Maybe it's also worth considering that his source was black market and he thought he was getting something else but what he got was "contaminated" with d'bol?! That actually happens a bit with Chinese sourced PEDs. The quality is not as high as Russian sourced PEDs. Rodchenkov talked a bit about it in Icarus. When they shut down their manufacturing, they turned to China. They then had a rash of random positives due to dirty PEDs. It's a secret war between nationally funded doping programs. They prepare for the dope they are using, but can often get blindsided by dirty drugs. Get popped for something you did not plan for or didn't know what in the drugs already.