Alot of PBC fighters were rooting for Broner and Thurman.
They were a little bit shellshocked Manny proved them wrong twice. Not really hard to see them appreciating manny a bit
Manny fan here but I disagree with him. Manny came back in the top 10 but he is not no. 1. Lets be honest lol
If Pac wasn't robbed in the Jeff Horn Fight he will be double world champion right now.
Imagine that.
First of all, kudos for admitting both those guys have crap resumes.
Second, I don't agree with the notion that skill gives "edge". We just saw Teofimo Lopez get exposed, Anthony Joshua get exposed for the THIRD time, Zou Shiming get exposed, Jermell Charlo get exposed, etc etc etc. The "eye test" should NOT be your measure when calling out a P4P. It's who did you beat and how did you beat them?
Going by THAT metric, nobody outside of Floyd Mayweather has done it better than Manny Pacquiao in the current gen. Period point blank.
Now, Canelo is up there because of WHO he beat, even though he's gone close when he shouldn't have, and who he lost to - only The Best to Ever do it.
Tyson Fury holds the most important win in the HW division: Grabomir Clinchko off a TEN YEAR streak. Lineal champion. He's up there.
Srisaket Sor Rungvisai, even in loss, still holds the two most important wins in his division: decision and KO over everyone's "eye test" P4P AND a win over Estrada. He's up there and he's higher than Estrada.
Hell, Keith Thurman is still up there, because look WHO he lost to compared to who he's beaten. Thurman's way higher than Loma - going by resume.
Everyone else is contending but not up there. Not at the top.
Bro, we just leave it at that.
Move up in weight first to be P4P!!!
That's good. I like it, but not always necessary. That's by choice. You can be great at one weight ALL your career if you are doing it with the right competition.
Gervonta is too weight drained to even know what he's talking about. Pacquiao isn't the best fighter in the world, not even close, and I like the Pacman.
I have Estrada in that spot, followed by Crawford, Canelo, Spence, Inoue, Usyk. Those are my top 6 in order.
Move up in weight first to be P4P!!!
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He's not wrong if you go by resume. It's irrefutable. Manny's resume IS better than Canelo's. Remember, Manny won 4 rounds on Floyd - Canelo, I gave him MAYBE 2? Beyond that, Manny's resume is a HOF list and of who he beat, HOW he beat them is of a higher level than the Carne Franchise Champion.
But uh...let's talk about your list, bro. Shall we?
Estrada: Quality fighter. Resume is NOT P4P.
Crawford: Quality fighter. Resume is NOT P4P. Asterisk champion at 147.
So you remove those two - it puts Canelo at the top which is where I'd put him...if you go by overall star power and drawing power.
Spence: Quality fighter. Resume is NOT P4P.
Inoue: Quality fighter, GOOD resume. But Tyson Fury is ahead of him in terms of resume.
Usyk: Decent fighter, but resume is NOT P4P.
Not always about names or resume.
P4P was originally just skill based, if fighters were same weight. Skill gives some the edge when there's no resume, like Lomachenko and Crawford. They're still two of the best fighters in the world, though, because those skills can't be denied.
Fury is number 7 on my list.
It's hard to who is P4P material because in the end it's all opinionated. Do we determine P4P as far as age goes all of a sudden or active fighters while they still hold accomplishments?
Looking at a prime Loma right now you think Yeah, he's P4P material. Then you look at Pac and say, wait hold up, since when did he get dethroned all a sudden? He's had some clear robberies and you can't take away his overall achievement. Moving up in weight and winning. Effectively proving what P4P is all about. Could Loma even take his style and make it effective still at age 40 taking on younger opponents?
Seeing a fighter take his style and making it effective regardless of weight class. If a fighter dominates only in his division, I don't see how you can nominate him as P4P material, even if he went 100-0 and destroyed. He's effective in his class, what about others?
Has there been any other current active fighters that's gone up 8 divisions and conquered each time? I think not.
Some might think because of Pac's age we shouldn't include him anymore and only think of the young guns, but look, what Pac just did continued to prove how effective his style is. He just took down a young, in his prime, strong, tough, quality boxer in Thurman. Pac might not have much fight in him left, but give him his dues while he's still here.
I was very impressed with El Gallo in his last fight and he is a very skillfull fighter. I'm an Estrada fan myself and yes you're definitely entitled to your opinion. If you wanna have El Gallo #1 you're entitled. It's your list after all.
You'll notice, except maybe for Crawford, all my top guys fought good competition in their last fights. With Estrada fighting the top toughest competition of all, someone ranked P4P top 6.
I'm not gonna assume he's taking shots at Floyd or anyone. I don't agree that Pac is number 1 in the p4p but I think it's cool Davis is giving PacMan a ton of credit
I understand why you would think that. If you think he was robbed against Horn, he hasn’t lost to an active boxer.
I had Horn winning, fair and square, but a little dirty and rough. He's not skilled at all but is tough and can fight a good street fight.
I don't like fighters or their fans complaining about a fighter being dirty. Deal with it, it's a fight.
Damn no Loma??
Estrada #1?? ����
Those are my top 6.
Did you see the monster Estrada fought last and how he handled him? That's what best fighters do. Clear domination against a top fighter, spiced all over with skills, guts, and special effects.
Who is Loma's monster so far? Loma's last fight was a 100-1 odds Crolla. You figure it out.
Gervonta is too weight drained to even know what he's talking about. Pacquiao isn't the best fighter in the world, not even close, and I like the Pacman.
I have Estrada in that spot, followed by Crawford, Canelo, Spence, Inoue, Usyk. Those are my top 6 in order.