who is more stupid..... ?

Everything you wrote Is right But Dazn didnt promise Canelo 1/3 Of a Billion dollars and not expect him to have fights that generate the most subscribers And the fight thatll get the most subscribers is Canelo/Golovkin 3. This is a partnership and although Canelo is used to having everything handed to him , At the end of the day The Company that signs his cheques need to do what’s best for their business l. And if Canelo signed on thinking he wasn’t expected to help them generate maximum Subscribers and he’d just fight a bunch of Feildings and Fighters with little to no Buzz with Casuals in Jacobs then he shouldn’t have signed. Canelos feelings or the fact he doesn’t like Golovkin because he called him out on his cheating ways means nothing. It’s about what’s best for the Company he decided to accept cheques from. I reckon Canelo will do whats best for him can't wait to see what that is tbh, now that Kova is out of the picture

bro, the DAZN " short-list " was two options..... the guy they wanted Canelo to fight..... and a fight that they were sure had little/no chance of happening I am absolutely positive that ridiculous " short-list "..... coupled with DAZN refusing to approve Andrade for the undisputed middleweight crown..... is more than enough for Canelo to argue (I am not saying win, but possibly win) breach of contract..... and thoroughly embarrass DAZN in the process I think that DAZN are dreaming, and using the worst possible approach with Canelo Everything you wrote Is right But Dazn didnt promise Canelo 1/3 Of a Billion dollars and not expect him to have fights that generate the most subscribers And the fight thatll get the most subscribers is Canelo/Golovkin 3. This is a partnership and although Canelo is used to having everything handed to him , At the end of the day The Company that signs his cheques need to do what’s best for their business l. And if Canelo signed on thinking he wasn’t expected to help them generate maximum Subscribers and he’d just fight a bunch of Feildings and Fighters with little to no Buzz with Casuals in Jacobs then he shouldn’t have signed. Canelos feelings or the fact he doesn’t like Golovkin because he called him out on his cheating ways means nothing. It’s about what’s best for the Company he decided to accept cheques from.

Aboutfckingtime I don’t really have a problem with Dazn having a shortlist of fighters for Canelo to fight They cut the cheque and they need to get subscribers and do what’s best for themselves but Andrade should have been on that list even though he won’t get Dazn many subscribers the significance of the Fight should merit his name be included ( I don’t give a f.uck if it’s for the Official WBC Strap or not all Boxing fans knows it’d be for the 4 straps ) Dazn needs not just big fights but significant meaningful fights to happen on their platform Consistently, It may not draw many people in Initially but eventually they can use that as a selling point that their the platform that give Boxing fans the most # Of fights that matter in the Sport bro, the DAZN " short-list " was two options..... the guy they wanted Canelo to fight..... and a fight that they were sure had little/no chance of happening I am absolutely positive that ridiculous " short-list "..... coupled with DAZN refusing to approve Andrade for the undisputed middleweight crown..... is more than enough for Canelo to argue (I am not saying win, but possibly win) breach of contract..... and thoroughly embarrass DAZN in the process I think that DAZN are dreaming, and using the worst possible approach with Canelo

Aboutfckingtime I don’t really have a problem with Dazn having a shortlist of fighters for Canelo to fight They cut the cheque and they need to get subscribers and do what’s best for themselves but Andrade should have been on that list even though he won’t get Dazn many subscribers the significance of the Fight should merit his name be included ( I don’t give a f.uck if it’s for the Official WBC Strap or not all Boxing fans knows it’d be for the 4 straps ) Dazn needs not just big fights but significant meaningful fights to happen on their platform Consistently, It may not draw many people in Initially but eventually they can use that as a selling point that their the platform that give Boxing fans the most # Of fights that matter in the Sport

For 2 reasons I think it’s the IBF 1. Demanding a Mando they know isn’t going happen with the possibility of stripping the biggest $ maker in the sport is another ever growing example of The IBF obsessively following their rules even when it’s a detriment to the sport and their Organization. #2 why the **** does Devrechenko get another Title Opportunity so quick. His last opportunity for a “Sham Strap “was 8 months ago. This whole process for the MW strap from May 2018 makes the IBF look like a bush league 2nd tier organization. exactly, great post ! funnily enough, this poll did not really turn out like I thought it would I thought DAZN would cop a shellacking interesting

For 2 reasons I think it’s the IBF 1. Demanding a Mando they know isn’t going happen with the possibility of stripping the biggest $ maker in the sport is another ever growing example of The IBF obsessively following their rules even when it’s a detriment to the sport and their Organization. #2 why the **** does Devrechenko get another Title Opportunity so quick. His last opportunity for a “Sham Strap “was 8 months ago. This whole process for the MW strap from May 2018 makes the IBF look like a bush league 2nd tier organization.

They made the decision to abide by their own rules, man. That's what they're supposed to do. And their rankings are poor, sure, but they can only rank the guys that recognise them (ie pay their fees)... Ah ****it. This is going nowhere - we're just repeating ourselves. You ain't addressed any of my points about fairness and integrity and the rights of the B listers and I guess you won't until it suddenly becomes important to you on some other matter in a few weeks or months... whatever. I'm outta here man. good god, wtf ? integrity ? did you not read this..... ? they should have enough class, common-decency, and respect for the sport..... to keep their mouth shut unless they can promote the best opponent any organisation that willingly, knowingly, KILLS better more meaningful fights..... in order to promote their own financial agenda..... has no integrity whatsoever and fcuk b-listers you work your way up...... you don't sign with a shlt sanctioning body to get an easy ride..... what the hell? the following comment is ridiculous, but you keep repeating it..... " They made the decision to abide by their own rules " how the fk does that make them right ? it makes them bull-headed and stupid..... to persist with "their own rules"..... in spite of those rules producing shlt results lets leave it man for some strange reason..... you are somehow willing to accept mediocrity and incompetence..... but I am not that is the only difference here

FACT: the IBF KNOW that their rankings are shlt they KNOW that ALL of the other opponents mentioned so far, are better than Derevyanchenko..... but, what did they do?..... did they make a decision that was even remotely close to the best decision for boxing?..... or, did they make the best financial decision for them? they should have enough class, common-decency, and respect for the sport..... to keep their mouth shut unless they can promote the best opponent I do not recognize the IBF, and I suggest that others do the same you reap what you sow..... and the IBF are not sowing anything worth reaping mediocrity/incompetence should not be rewarded They made the decision to abide by their own rules, man. That's what they're supposed to do. And their rankings are poor, sure, but they can only rank the guys that recognise them (ie pay their fees)... Ah ****it. This is going nowhere - we're just repeating ourselves. You ain't addressed any of my points about fairness and integrity and the rights of the B listers and I guess you won't until it suddenly becomes important to you on some other matter in a few weeks or months... whatever. I'm outta here man.

So what's your solution, man? All the orgs should just make Canelo a champion in perpetuity who doesn't have to fight any mandos unless he wants to? That is in effect what you're suggesting... that they should just ignore everyone else and let Canelo do exactly what he pleases. Thing is he's gonna do that anyway and the belts ain't gonna make a difference to him so surely better to keep 'em in circulation and give a shot at 'em to the guys who actually need 'em? I understand your frustration but I think we're just looking at this issue from very different perspectives. Oh... and I'm gonna assume D'Chenko is above DJ because Danny already had his shot and lost just a few months back... otherwise you are correct, the rankings make no sense. if you have nothing good to say, then keep your mouth shut it is better to keep your mouth shut, at the risk of looking like a fool..... rather than opening it, and removing all doubt FACT: the IBF KNOW that their rankings are shlt they KNOW that ALL of the other opponents mentioned so far, are better than Derevyanchenko..... but, what did they do?..... did they make a decision that was even remotely close to the best decision for boxing?..... or, did they make the best financial decision for them? they should have enough class, common-decency, and respect for the sport..... to keep their mouth shut unless they can promote the best opponent I do not recognize the IBF, and I suggest that others do the same you reap what you sow..... and the IBF are not sowing anything worth reaping mediocrity/incompetence should not be rewarded

hold on..... the only way the current IBF order "will not stand in the way of better fights"..... is if Canelo completely ignores it, which makes your case a hard sell nope, completely disagree..... killing BETTER fights, and fragmenting divisions..... is toxic and ridiculous sacrificing quality..... to pander to the silly rules of 1/4 of the current sanctioning bodies..... when the result of those rules is detrimental to the sport.... is utterly ridiculous, and cannot be justified FACT: 3/4 of the current sanctioning bodies do not agree with the IBF..... common-sense does not agree with the IBF..... and I do not agree with the IBF this is a ridiculous discussion, because Derevyanchenko is clearly not one of the best middleweights we can agree to disagree So what's your solution, man? All the orgs should just make Canelo a champion in perpetuity who doesn't have to fight any mandos unless he wants to? That is in effect what you're suggesting... that they should just ignore everyone else and let Canelo do exactly what he pleases. Thing is he's gonna do that anyway and the belts ain't gonna make a difference to him so surely better to keep 'em in circulation and give a shot at 'em to the guys who actually need 'em? I understand your frustration but I think we're just looking at this issue from very different perspectives. Oh... and I'm gonna assume D'Chenko is above DJ because Danny already had his shot and lost just a few months back... otherwise you are correct, the rankings make no sense.

you can have a system, or you can conduct an evaluation... let me give you an example of how a system often works after Canelo beat Cotto, who weighed 153lbs..... The Ring Magazine ranked Canelo the #1 middleweight on the planet..... and they did that because of lineage I say again..... despite the fact that Canelo had never fought above 155..... despite the fact that Canelo had never faced a genuine middleweight opponent..... and despite the fact that Golovkin was clearly the #1 middleweight on the planet..... The Ring's trusty paint-by-numbers system BURNED common-sense and installed the fat red kid as the #1 middleweight FACT: The Ring have a lot more credibility than the IBF but despite that fact, they made a decision that even rivaled the stupidity of the infamous IBF..... all because their paint-by-numbers system told them that it was the right thing to do LMAO oh, btw..... that is not an exception..... because about the same time, they ranked Stevenson as the #1 LHW..... despite the fact that Kovalev was the best LHW on the planet..... all because their paint-by-numbers system told them that it was the right thing to do anyone who has ever worked for a big company/corporation will know..... when a system does not produce acceptable results..... you scrap it, and develop one that does the results of the IBF system are fkn awful, no if's and's or but's stop accepting awful you mugs LMAO the IBF can clearly see that Derevyanchenko is not among the top middleweights, THEY KNOW THAT..... but, their system told them to stand up and make fools of themselves anyway..... and so they did just that knowing that their own rankings are limited/abysmal..... they should have enough respect for the sport to keep their mouths shut unless they can promote the best opponent the IBF do not care about boxing, they are a company..... they are literally killing better fights for their own personal financial profit..... anyone who accepts that, obviously has an agenda, and probably should not label themselves as a true boxing fan who gives a fcuk about the IBF profit line you mugs

Frankie, what up, bro? Can you name some of these LDBC supporters on this site? I also don't even know them. You popularized them on this site actually. I'll check them out now. I swear I never heard of these youtubers before some of these Brits started getting emotional about them :lol1: They should get compensated for all the free advertising tbh...

the IBF have Derevyanchenko ranked ahead of Danny Jacobs despite the fact that Jacobs just beat Derevyanchenko :lol1: o, k, then...... LMAO #secondrate you guys who applaud their paint-by-numbers system..... are fkn nuts LMAO common-sense > a paint-by-numbers system that produces dreadful results any organisation who arrives at decisions using a "system"..... rather than a boardroom discussion involving experienced invested experts..... is truly second-rate one of those experts would have been capable of reminding Daryl Peoples that Jacobs just beat Derevyanchenko..... as he must have forgotten

Gonna agree to differ, man. I already laid out my points - I'd prefer an org with some integrity over one that'll always roll over for it's biggest stars... even if it does stand in the way of some fights - which in this case it won't. Maybe ask yourself what is the point of having world champions and sanctioning orgs at all if they change their rules according to expediency - without rules the titles have no legitimacy anyway. The big names, the A listers, can look after themselves - they're always gonna have the advantages and get the fights they want. It's the smaller guys, the ones working their way up that need the orgs onside. Guess it's a matter of perspective though - if you watch boxing for the big star names then why would you give a fuck about the little dudes? Me, I'm about having a level playing field and having - as much as possible - the same opportunities for all fighters in the sport. hold on..... the only way the current IBF order "will not stand in the way of better fights"..... is if Canelo completely ignores it, which makes your case a hard sell nope, completely disagree..... killing BETTER fights, and fragmenting divisions..... is toxic and ridiculous sacrificing quality..... to pander to the silly rules of 1/4 of the current sanctioning bodies..... when the result of those rules is detrimental to the sport.... is utterly ridiculous, and cannot be justified FACT: 3/4 of the current sanctioning bodies do not agree with the IBF..... common-sense does not agree with the IBF..... and I do not agree with the IBF this is a ridiculous discussion, because Derevyanchenko is clearly not one of the best middleweights we can agree to disagree

the energy from members on this site defending the LDBC has resided. they probably said ''we need to ignore them...etc...'' though PBC has been on a tight rope lately and DAZN is improving. the GBP email theory and hate against Hearn is withering away. Wilder is getting older..Spence… well Porter is coming I guess... PBC shine lately is Pac vs Thurman... Jermell got Harrison problems, and Jermall Charlo is just a fake claiming going to another network or reaching to Hearn wouldn't be a problem. When you combine all those things the LDBC really have nothing going for them. But we already exposed them as shills for Haymonism and race baits that attracts their following like Evangelists collecting money and putting on acts... Frankie, what up, bro? Can you name some of these LDBC supporters on this site? I also don't even know them. You popularized them on this site actually. I'll check them out now.

I thought the LDBC said the WBC Diamond wasn’t good? It would automatically get Andrade vs Charlo mando for the WBC. Unless of course Haymon tells Charlo to vacate because all of Andrade’s straps aren’t worth it? Damn you got bullied so bad you had to change your identity? Why not just delete this alt account it's not worth all this anxiety bruv

I think OP are underestimating the value of consistency. By and large, people will accept a less desirable outcome as long it's arrived at by a clear and consistently followed process. As acknowledged, DAZN is just doing what's best for DAZN. As for the IBF, personally I concur with Koba Grozny.

I think OP is underestimating the value of consistency. By and large, people will accept a less desirable outcome as long it's arrived at by a clear and consistently followed process. As acknowledged, DAZN is just doing what's beat for DAZN. As for the IBF, personally I concur with Koba Grozny.

the point is..... does anyone really think that Canelo/Derevyanchenko will actually happen ? :lol1: I cannot see how this situation does not reflect badly on the IBF..... they are continually reminding everyone that they are second-rate the IBF badly need to improve their rankings until then, they should keep their mouth shut ordering second-rate matchups, that kill first-rate matchups..... is an absolute fail in every department Gonna agree to differ, man. I already laid out my points - I'd prefer an org with some integrity over one that'll always roll over for it's biggest stars... even if it does stand in the way of some fights - which in this case it won't. Maybe ask yourself what is the point of having world champions and sanctioning orgs at all if they change their rules according to expediency - without rules the titles have no legitimacy anyway. The big names, the A listers, can look after themselves - they're always gonna have the advantages and get the fights they want. It's the smaller guys, the ones working their way up that need the orgs onside. Guess it's a matter of perspective though - if you watch boxing for the big star names then why would you give a fuck about the little dudes? Me, I'm about having a level playing field and having - as much as possible - the same opportunities for all fighters in the sport.

I'll pass on voting in another one of your rigged olls where all the options are answers that you want and not what I think. I don't think any of them are stupid but your poll is stupid. I think if Canelo wants to fight Andrade or Derv or Jermall DAZN will let him do so. The fact is Canelo has made no offers to any of these three middleweight but he has made offers to Kovalev and Munguia and Oscar even challenged welterweight Spence to move up to middleweight to fight Canelo. The correct option was you are but it's not on the list. Just stfu because nobody on here gives a f@ck what you think did you guys vote ? or is... turning up to have a good ol cry... more your thing?