Today's heavyweight scene is brilliant, but they need to fight

Joyce has experience and a true legit threat ,just ask Fury when he brought him in for Wilder . Joyce also in his first fight won the U.K belt and will be handful ...this guy is not a prospect and neither is Hrgovic for similar reasons....its all about levels not age. Hughie fought for title ...prospects DONT do that or going from being in top 15 which prospects don't belong. Both Joyce and Hrgovic defeats Whyte right now,im telling you that now and hes around a top 5 fighter as is. The fighters I mentioned particulary number 2 guys are going to emerge the top ones bc again levels and I see very threating group there,beyond DDD,Gorman and Efe. Joyce may be a "threat", he may have all the tools, etc... but we have to see it in the ring, not hear stories about it in sparring, know what I mean? They gotta have a win over a guy (or two) who's a level above them. Beat a Gatekeeper or become a Gatekeeper. To be honest, Joyce, the little I've seen of him, looks a bit robotic. Stiff neck, head erect, chin in the air, and is deliberate with his punches. Hughie fought for the Title, but was he at his best? Does it stand to reason that at 24 yrs old, Hughie is still IMPROVING, that he'll be at his best 3-5 years from now? So he's not a "Prospect" (as I conceded) but he's still "Up-n-Coming" (despite having already fought for a vacant title) Beat Whyte in the ring and you're a Title Contender. ...

1. Fury 2. Wilder 3. Lewis 4. Ali 5. Helenius (before the injuries) 1 Lewis 2 Ali 3. Tyson 4 holmes / fury 5. ??????? Louis? Foreman?

1. Fury 2. Wilder 3. Lewis 4. Ali 5. Helenius (before the injuries)

Whyte throws to many punches so no its not the problem its actually why he gasses but still maintains high punch out puts. Parker got that knockdown bc of Whytes own exhaustion and not selective punching. The guys who weigh over 240 really need to be careful,even Wlad klitchko found that out and went from crazy offense to defense first. Whyte doesn't have a good enough right hand to deal with Fury and if he lunges against wilder with that looping right its game over. He could land the hook on Wilder but who will land first ? Cant say id pick Whyte in that one but could be nail biter. Whytes an excellent hook puncher but he really lacks elite straight shots and it hurts his overall game and makes fights way more difficult for him,the reason is he doesn't plant his feet correct and it makes his punches less accurate outside a left hook and great body shot work. Yes I have noticed that with his footwork, I do wonder whether this is ingrained in him from his kick boxing days. 'One thing that I like about Whyte is? His willingness to go to the body at times on his opponents' I think Whyte is a tad too heavyweight of late, but I have noticed that he changes from fight to fight. 'His next fight should be interesting'. No idea how good his opponent is, just some a short clip of him beating Jennings 'But by all reports he is a solid fighter'.

Holyfield was 205 in one of those Bowe fights ,hes going to have great punch out put. Bowe had many fights we don't know if others will match him but Whyte .Gorman,Joyce and Miller ( peds ,maybe those guys were to? ) show great punch counts and work rates. I think ;parker and Ruiz are no slouches either with fast pace. Dillian Whyte has gone backwards, he can't fight at a pace in my opinion 'And has given us all this illusion that his boxing skills have massively improved' but I will say this? I would like to see him Fight Fury or Wilder. Yes I suppose Parker is alright, he is a good enough boxer 'I tend to find that he fights well within himself at times'.

Hilarious! Holy would get inside on wilder and ko him NONE of the modern guys would beat Lewis Plus none of these heavyweights seem to be able to fight at a intense pace. Evander Holyfield vs Riddick Bowe trilogy where fights all fought at a very intense pace, not only where their body movements much faster but it seemed to me? That their thought processes and ability to calculate moves was like the matrix compared to these new school heavyweights. I can remember as a kid, Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield I was labeled a lack luster fight 'But looking back in comparison to Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Kiltschko OR Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury' some of these fights at elite level from the 90's where fought in a totally different gear 'Entirely different realm of reality'. Tyson Fury is not out boxing Lennox Lewis, and he is not hurting him which suggest he would probably be beaten up very badly. 'And I don't even think his engine is good enough to mess Lewis about for 12 rounds' In Tyson Fury's greatest fight and performance the fight was really really slow, and he was even fatigued during that performance. Anthony Joshua, and probably even Andy Ruiz Junior are guys that could walk into the 90's and adapt to that environment. But of course yes, Deontay Wilder with his power would always be dangerous.

Joyce and Hrgovic aren't prospects. they also fought already outside pros.) And are immediate title contender threats right now. Hughie Fury isn't a prospect either hes had title fights. Hes NOT a top 10 guy. These two are the best prospects you are going to see. 1. Vlad Sirenko 2. Sonny Conto Other ones to watch out for in no order.....Trey Morrison, George Arias , Arsen Mahkmudov , Guido Vienello, Junior Fa, ( almost slipped his last fight ), Martin Bakole ( has one loss ), , Ivan Dychko , Darmani Rock ,off the top off my head. I'll debate that first part a bit. Joyce took out a 39-year old Stiverne, are you saying that makes him an immediate threat for Contendership??? Nah, that's his first step up. Hrgovic has an even weaker best-win, a 46-year old Amir Mansour (who is fodder for prospects/up-n-comers) . There is some room for interpretation of the terms "Prospect" and "Up-n-Comer" so I'll agree that Joyce and Hrgovic may not be "Prospects" per se, but they're farther from being "Title Contenders" than they are "Up-n-Comers". Also, experience/age play a factor. Joyce and Hrgovic are still in single-digit wins in their career! Hughie Fury is still only 24 yrs old. For perspective, Hughie was 21 years old in fight before his "Title Fight" with Parker. And just because a Prospect/Up-n-Comer is thrown in with a higher level guy, and loses, that doesn't change that fighters' designation as a Prospect/Up-n-Comer. They simply may not have been ready yet. Whatever the case, again, Hughie is still only 24 yrs old. I'm going to check those guys out who you mentioned.

Wilder would beat Holyfield, and Fury would beat Lewis. Hilarious! Holy would get inside on wilder and ko him NONE of the modern guys would beat Lewis

AJ will not fight Wilder Fury and Ortiz. AJ needs to be eliminated from the equation. Do you honestly think AJ won't fight those guys if he beats Ruiz ? I think Hearns smart enough of a business man than to leave all that money on the table . Plus who will AJ fight ? And will the Paying public accept it ?

I don't think that today's heavyweights are as good as the heavyweights of the past. But we can't put Wilder in with Holyfield, or Fury in with Lewis, so it doesn't matter. What we have in Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Whyte, Ortiz and now Ruiz, with Usyk to come, is a roster of heavyweights with massively different physical attributes and skill sets. The triangle theory will not work here and I genuinely don't believe any of them beats any other ten times out of ten, except maybe Fury against Ruiz and Usyk because of the size difference. So I don't give a **** about who's overhyped or whatever, the important thing is that they just fight. A defeat should not be the end of the world to any of these fighters. Wilder is not a bum because he got outboxed by Fury, because he could still KO the rest of them, and he could even KO Fury in a rematch. Joshua is still a top level heavyweight even though Ruiz smashed him around the ring, because he could still beat all of them. It's a great time for heavyweight boxing. Just ****ing fight. - -Does that make you dip....?

I get what you're saying but I think the opposite is true . The Ruiz loss could potentialy just be a bump in the road. Losing to Ruiz a second time is the equivalent of the wheels falling off . Because of that and the possibility of losing again I think Hearn will rush to make the Wilder fight next . Ruiz will still be a name and can get Fury , his rematch with Parker or even fight with Joyce who's been talking shet about him . Point is . I see more possibilities for good match ups in the HW division if AJ wins the rematch . If he loses he either goes on a U.K bum smashing tour or retires to an island and tends to his garden . Which is Not good for the division . AJ will not fight Wilder Fury and Ortiz. AJ needs to be eliminated from the equation.

Joshua is the one not making fights. Ruiz needs to eliminate AJ from the equation, and then it’s gonna be a hell of a time cause they all will fight. Just need Hearn out of equation. I get what you're saying but I think the opposite is true . The Ruiz loss could potentialy just be a bump in the road. Losing to Ruiz a second time is the equivalent of the wheels falling off . Because of that and the possibility of losing again I think Hearn will rush to make the Wilder fight next . Ruiz will still be a name and can get Fury , his rematch with Parker or even fight with Joyce who's been talking shet about him . Point is . I see more possibilities for good match ups in the HW division if AJ wins the rematch . If he loses he either goes on a U.K bum smashing tour or retires to an island and tends to his garden . Which is Not good for the division .

Wilder and Joshua. Fury and Joshua. Anyone and Whyte. It's weird that Ortiz has only fought one top name. Joshua is the one not making fights. Ruiz needs to eliminate AJ from the equation, and then it’s gonna be a hell of a time cause they all will fight. Just need Hearn out of equation.

Great post!!! Fury, wilder, Ruiz, Joshua, Ortiz, usyk, whyte, Parker at the top... Then you've got a handful of fringe contenders like Allen, price, arreola, chisora, as well as some names I'm forgetting. You've got undefeated fighters like kownacki n Rivas who could turn out to be special. Then you've ggotblue chip prospects such as dubois, Gorman, efe, n a few others I'm forgetting. Even if you aren't excited about this crop, just be GRATEFUL it's not 2004 when John Ruiz, lamon Brewster, n Chris Byrd were champs. Those days were terrible, n the division is in such better shape nowadays.

Here are some HW matchups I want to see... Fury vs AJ Fury vs Andy Ruiz Fury vs Wilder II Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk Fury vs Dillian Whyte Andy Ruiz vs AJ II Andy Ruiz vs Wilder Andy Ruiz vs Alexander Povetkin Andy Ruiz vs Jarrell Miller Andy Ruiz vs Luis Ortiz Wilder vs AJ Wilder vs Jarrell Miller Wilder vs Dillian Whyte Wilder vs Adam Kownacki AJ vs Dillian Whyte AJ vs Jarrell Miller AJ vs Oleksandr Usyk Whyte vs Luis Ortiz Whyte vs Alexander Povetkin Jarrell Miller vs Kubrat Pulev Jarrell Miller vs Luis Ortiz Jarrell Miller vs Adam Kownacki Povetkin vs Oleksandr Usyk Povetkin vs Oscar Rivas Usyk vs Joseph Parker Luis Ortiz vs Alexander Povetkin Kubrat Pulev vs Oscar Rivas Lets put these Up-n-Comers and Prospects to the test... Joseph Parker vs Daniel Dubois Adam Kownacki vs Joe Joyce Oscar Rivas vs Tony Yoka Hughie Fury vs Chris Arreola Dominic Breazeale vs Efe Ajagba Gerald Washington vs Filip Hrgovic Tyrone Spong vs Nathan Gorman

Not since the Mike Tyson/Oscar De La Hoya era have I been more excited about Boxing than for MMA... and in large part its because of the current Heavyweight division. It was already great... Fury, Wilder, Joshua... and then Andy Ruiz broke everything wide open. Ever since then, I've been on Boxing more than MMA.

I think today's heavies turned out to be wildly overrated. Wilder is all power no skill. Fury has zero power. The only one that had both power and talent just got served his first loss. I like Usyk a lot but doubt his ability to pack a real punch at HW.

Wilder would beat Holyfield, and Fury would beat Lewis.

This is what I don't get when threads like this surface. Whos not fighting ? Ha Wilder and Joshua. Fury and Joshua. Anyone and Whyte. It's weird that Ortiz has only fought one top name.