I’m not saying Canelo is scared or is running from GGG cause he isn’t, he’s already fought him twice and I’m sure the plan is to fight him again at some point but why not in September 2019?
I just don’t understand why team Canelo are negotiating every other option apart from GGG. Over the past few days there have been reports of offers to or negotiations with Kovalev, Munguia and now Andrade. Whilst there’s been little attempt to re-negotiate with GGG after original negotiations reportedly soured over venue options. Canelo-GGG III is the biggest fight for either. It’s what GGG wants, it’s seemingly what John Skipper and DAZN want, but Team Canelo seem intent on alternative options. Why?
Guys boxing is a business. Stop with this "Canelo wants him to earn the fight" nonsense. There are many reasons why the fight isn't happening. Maybe Golovkin wants too much money. Maybe Canelo want the fight to happen in Vegas and GGG doesn't. Many, many reasons...
These were gift decisions, the first one should have gone to GGG easily, the second one was closer. I don’t think Canelo wants to risk a third fight that may not go his way, but I also don’t think he is afraid of Golovkin. To his credit he did just fight Jacobs, and he appears willing to fight Kovalev. I think if Canelo knows he can earn the same money vs a different opponent he will seek fights elsewhere. Meanwhile, he can wait out GGG to age another year or two and still earn the same money in a rematch but with an older GGG.
Yeah that’s essentially how I see it...
These were gift decisions, the first one should have gone to GGG easily, the second one was closer. I don’t think Canelo wants to risk a third fight that may not go his way, but I also don’t think he is afraid of Golovkin. To his credit he did just fight Jacobs, and he appears willing to fight Kovalev. I think if Canelo knows he can earn the same money vs a different opponent he will seek fights elsewhere. Meanwhile, he can wait out GGG to age another year or two and still earn the same money in a rematch but with an older GGG.
Because he already beat him twice. No need for a third fight. This begging bum needs to stop chasing the king like a $2 hoe. Go fight Charlo or Andrade, win a title. Why does this idiot deserve another big pay day? Cause he fought a homeless bum named Rolls? FOH Triple Bum. Biggest joke in boxing history.
He gets paid whether he fights Canelo or not. Give Canelo a deadline and if he doesn't respond move on. Golovkin wants this fight for revenge it's obvious but Canelo either won't rematch him in the fall or age him further.
The guy lost the first fight and was gifted a draw. The 2nd fight left a lot of people split. Of course he doesn't want this fight again when there's much easier fights to be made.
Of course they are avoiding it. It's a boring fight. It would be refreshing to see how Canelo will challenge himself next. GGG and his fans on the other hand won't stop untill Saul literally kills GGG in the ring because any fight where GGG loses by a few points they'll think he got robbed. GGG and his fans need to move on with their lives and continue looking for more challenges that solidify who GGG says he is. Right now GGG and his fans are just coming off as emotional whiny p*ssies. It's no wonder why GGG now gets booed when put on the big screen of events.
Yes!!! Team canelo n gay la hoya are clearly avoiding it!!! N why??? Ibecause he's their cash cow!!! GGG wants the fight, their both with dazn, they've had two incredible fights already, n it's one of the biggest 3 or 4 fights that can be made in boxing!!! MAKE IT HAPPEN DAZN!!! I thought that's why they signed triple G!
Golovkin vs Alvarez I GGG was Champ and Canelo was challenger.
Golovkin vs Alvarez II GGG still Champ and Alvarez still challenger.
It's a fact to say Golovkin gave Alvarez two shots art his titles.
ggg gave away an undisputed shot vs BJS cuz he wanted to get the canelo money more than the titles, oscar ordered ggg to not take that fight if he wanted to fight canelo, so for ggg canelo was more important than the titles, even in the rematch he gave away his ibf title cuz he didnt wanted to risk the canelo fight, that alone should tell you who was the one giving the opportunity...
for ggg canelo was more important than the titles, for canelo ggg is not as important...
it might sound unfair but at this point canelo is more important than titles, ggg not so much...
Yes, he's ducking Gennady because now he would have to test clean in order to fight him. He can no longer be on the juice in a trilogy fight with GGG.
I don’t think you can say Canelo personally is ducking him, I mean he’s already fought him twice. He clearly has no issue fighting GGG.
I just think the team behind him are trying to ensure Canelo has as much of an advantage as possible for the third fight. Whilst they are also skeptical of risking their prize asset against a guy who should at least be 1-1 with him.
I’m not saying Canelo is scared or is running from GGG cause he isn’t, he’s already fought him twice and I’m sure the plan is to fight him again at some point but why not in September 2019?
I just don’t understand why team Canelo are negotiating every other option apart from GGG. Over the past few days there have been reports of offers to or negotiations with Kovalev, Munguia and now Andrade. Whilst there’s been little attempt to re-negotiate with GGG after original negotiations reportedly soured over venue options. Canelo-GGG III is the biggest fight for either. It’s what GGG wants, it’s seemingly what John Skipper and DAZN want, but Team Canelo seem intent on alternative options. Why?Yes, he's ducking Gennady because now he would have to test clean in order to fight him. He can no longer be on the juice in a trilogy fight with GGG.
Yes you make great valid points!
I totally agree with you that the belts these days are a joke and irrelevant.
I put no weight on them but most people do so that's why I said Canelo should fight Andrade for the undisputed championship.
But if we're gonna go just on skills and popularity then yes, Canelo should fight Triple g to prove who's the best..
Agreed bro...
Munguia I agree with you but Andrade although not as accomplished as ggg is basically the next guy in line coupled with the fact that he’s In his prime former Olympian and an undefeated champ No one should bash canelo for picking him next.
I wouldn’t bash Canelo at all. Andrade is a very good fighter. I’d strongly suggest the winner of a potential Canelo-GGG 3 fight unified with Andrade in their next fight.
I’m just exposing the hypocrisy of people trying to suggest GGG has to earn or doesn’t deserve to fight Canelo in September, yet they are saying Andrade does.
Golovkin is a poor sportsman, a diva... and Canelo does not like him
don't underestimate the " Canelo does not like him " part
when Canelo was desperate for that fight, to redeem himself following the positive VADA results..... Golovkin angled him for an undeserved 45%..... NOW, Golovkin wants the fight moved from vegas
G fcuked himself, here is why
FACT: it is clearly obvious to every adult human-being on the planet, that Golovkin will not take any kind of risk before he banks another Canelo payday..... so, Team Canelo have got Golovkin exactly where they want him
by deferring the fight, Golovkin will become more and more desperate..... if Team Canelo delay that fight for another year, what 2 opponents will Golovkin select in the meantime?..... Andrade and Charlo?, or Steve Rolls little sister and Vanes 12yo cousin?
they will not be paying Golovkin 45% next time, or anything even close..... because he is desperate and has nothing to bring to the table, having refused championship fights with Andrade and Charlo
Canelo knows that he beat Golovkin in the rematch, despite what anyone else says..... and Canelo told Golovkin to win a title if he wants a trilogy fight..... so I do not think that fight is anywhere near as important to Canelo, as it is important to Golovkin.....
so, IF they fight again..... Canelo will not be giving any handouts, and he will want to finish this once and for all..... so waiting for Gennady's legs to grow a year older and waiting for his stock to fall following what will almost certainly be underwhelming opponent selection..... probably appears to be their best option
Golovkin could have fought Charlo or Andrade, both of those fights would land him a rerun with Canelo..... but they said those fights made "no sense"..... which is insane
You’re mocking Vanes as an opponent for GGG yet Vanes is Andrade’s best win and you claim Andrade will fight anyone.
How do you work that one out?
I’m afraid it makes you sound like a delusional hypocrite...
Andrade is willing to fight anyone, Golovkin is not
Golovkin is not the best middleweight on the planet, Canelo is
most of the top 6-7 would be very good opponents, but Golovkin is not willing to fight them..... it is clearly obvious that he does not intend to take any kind of risk before facing Canelo, and will most likely retire immediately following the trilogy fight
boxing is all about divisional supremacy..... so if Golovkin is not willing to participate in divisional supremacy, so is therefore largely irrelevant to the middleweight division..... then the WBO champ Andrade is definitely more deserving, no question
Andrade is willing to fight anyone. Really? He’s been a pro for over a decade and his best opponent is Vanes Martirosyan.
GGG on the other hand has fought Canelo twice and Danny Jacobs within his last five fights.
It’s clear who’s more deserving and it’s not Andrade.
In response to your first post, I’m not questioning Team Canelo’s decision BUSINESS wise. GGG needs Canelo more than Canelo needs him, whilst time on Canelo’s side as opposed to GGG who is racing against the clock. However, BOXING wise, Canelo-GGG 3 remains the best fight to be made in the MW division.
this will be the bottom line in this thread.....
fcuk Golovkin, he could have fought Charlo or Andrade, both of those fights would land him a rerun with Canelo.....
but they said those fights made " no sense "..... which is insane
in the ring, Golovkin could have attempted to take the decision out of the judges hands by FIGHTING Canelo, like his trainer implored..... but, he CHOSE not to..... so, hard luck for him
out of the ring, Golovkin could have positioned himself for a trilogy fight, but he CHOSE not to..... so again, hard luck for him
he could have taken control of his own destiny, and career..... but Timidkin would not take the fights he needed to take..... not now, and not ever.....
..... poor (timid) decision-making is the hallmark of Gennady's career, this is just the latest chapter
ggg already had 2 shots at canelo cuz he was more deserving, is time for andrade now imho... i think ggg is the better fighter and beats andrade if they fight, but style wise andrade will be more difficult for canelo...
Golovkin vs Alvarez I GGG was Champ and Canelo was challenger.
Golovkin vs Alvarez II GGG still Champ and Alvarez still challenger.
It's a fact to say Golovkin gave Alvarez two shots art his titles.
So who’s more deserving?
GGG a former Champion with 20 defences, with wins over Jacobs, Lemieux, Murray etc. Who only lost the title in a fight many considered controversial.
Or Andrade who won a vacant belt at 160 and who’s best wins are Martirosyan and Sulecki.
It’s a no contest...
Andrade is willing to fight anyone, Golovkin is not
Golovkin is not the best middleweight on the planet, Canelo is
most of the top 6-7 would be very good opponents, but Golovkin is not willing to fight them..... it is clearly obvious that he does not intend to take any kind of risk before facing Canelo, and will most likely retire immediately following the trilogy fight
boxing is all about divisional supremacy..... so if Golovkin is not willing to participate in divisional supremacy, so is therefore largely irrelevant to the middleweight division..... then the WBO champ Andrade is definitely more deserving, no question
I’m not saying Canelo is scared or is running from GGG cause he isn’t, he’s already fought him twice and I’m sure the plan is to fight him again at some point but why not in September 2019?
I just don’t understand why team Canelo are negotiating every other option apart from GGG. Over the past few days there have been reports of offers to or negotiations with Kovalev, Munguia and now Andrade. Whilst there’s been little attempt to re-negotiate with GGG after original negotiations reportedly soured over venue options. Canelo-GGG III is the biggest fight for either. It’s what GGG wants, it’s seemingly what John Skipper and DAZN want, but Team Canelo seem intent on alternative options. Why?
Golovkin is a poor sportsman, a diva... and Canelo does not like him
don't underestimate the " Canelo does not like him " part
when Canelo was desperate for that fight, to redeem himself following the positive VADA results..... Golovkin angled him for an undeserved 45%..... NOW, Golovkin wants the fight moved from vegas
G fcuked himself, here is why
FACT: it is clearly obvious to every adult human-being on the planet, that Golovkin will not take any kind of risk before he banks another Canelo payday..... so, Team Canelo have got Golovkin exactly where they want him
by deferring the fight, Golovkin will become more and more desperate..... if Team Canelo delay that fight for another year, what 2 opponents will Golovkin select in the meantime?..... Andrade and Charlo?, or Steve Rolls little sister and Vanes 12yo cousin?
they will not be paying Golovkin 45% next time, or anything even close..... because he is desperate and has nothing to bring to the table, having refused championship fights with Andrade and Charlo
Canelo knows that he beat Golovkin in the rematch, despite what anyone else says..... and Canelo told Golovkin to win a title if he wants a trilogy fight..... so I do not think that fight is anywhere near as important to Canelo, as it is important to Golovkin.....
so, IF they fight again..... Canelo will not be giving any handouts, and he will want to finish this once and for all..... so waiting for Gennady's legs to grow a year older and waiting for his stock to fall following what will almost certainly be underwhelming opponent selection..... probably appears to be their best option
Golovkin could have fought Charlo or Andrade, both of those fights would land him a rerun with Canelo..... but they said those fights made "no sense"..... which is insane
Andrade has a belt. Triple g don't so how is he more deserving a Canelo fight than Andrade???
And Canelo has money so he don't need Triple g.
Belts are essentially irrelevant, they’re just a marketing tool. It’s about the best vs the best and at 160 that’s Canelo vs GGG. That’s like saying GGG should’ve fought BJS instead of Canelo in 2017 cause Canelo didn’t have a belt.
Canelo could vacate every belt he has and he’d still be recognised as the #1 in the division and true lineal champion.
ggg already had 2 shots at canelo cuz he was more deserving, is time for andrade now imho... i think ggg is the better fighter and beats andrade if they fight, but style wise andrade will be more difficult for canelo...
That’s fair enough. I don’t mind the Canelo-Andrade fight I’d just prefer to see Canelo-GGG 3.