Is Spence-Porter really a PPV fight?

I did buy Spence vs. Garcia reluctantly because my friends wanted to see it. Spence vs. Porter interests me a lot more than Spence vs. Garcia did. So I might buy Spence vs. Porter, but it doesn't interest me nearly as much as Thurman vs. Pacquiao or Wilder vs. Ortiz II. Depending on when Wilder vs. Ortiz II is, I could see myself skipping Spence vs. Porter. I try to only order 2-3 pay-per-views a year if possible. Good post...I am not as active as far as buying PPVs..but I agree with your overall sentiments my friend as far as which fights I am most interested in seeing. No. It’s a good fight but not the fight we want. Who Spence gonna fight next Danny Garcia? I don’t wanna see that Thurman Pacquiao crap either. I want Crawford in the mix. Completely agree...that's part of my issue as well...the only fight at WW I reallllly want to see is Crawford Spence...I would probably even pay $70 for that and I have only bought 3-4 PPV in the last 5 years. I'd rather pay PPV for Porter vs Bradley. At least that would be competitive. Yeah I think this one is pretty straightforward for Spence...I've hardly seen Spence lose a round so not expecting too much from Porter here...who knows though maybe he will be competitive.

I'd rather pay PPV for Porter vs Bradley. At least that would be competitive.

No. It’s a good fight but not the fight we want. Who Spence gonna fight next Danny Garcia? I don’t wanna see that Thurman Pacquiao crap either. I want Crawford in the mix.

I did buy Spence vs. Garcia reluctantly because my friends wanted to see it. Spence vs. Porter interests me a lot more than Spence vs. Garcia did. So I might buy Spence vs. Porter, but it doesn't interest me nearly as much as Thurman vs. Pacquiao or Wilder vs. Ortiz II. Depending on when Wilder vs. Ortiz II is, I could see myself skipping Spence vs. Porter. I try to only order 2-3 pay-per-views a year if possible.

You have a source for Spence earning $10M against Mikey? Trolling hard I see. Sold 300K "on his own" against an "unknown" in Garcia? GTFOOH with that fan boy nonsense. This fight SHOULD be a PPV worthy event, but my money says it will be a break even fight in PPV sales. It's a risk for Spence because if it flops, he loses leverage against Crawford. According to reports, both fighters are set to be paid $8 million apiece for the pay-per-view event. The major topic of discussion around this fight is size disparity. Spence is much bigger naturally and there is concern Garcia has been blown up in an effort to compete in a weight class above his best weight class. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmazique/2019/03/16/errol-spence-jr-vs-mikey-garcia-purse-info-and-final-weigh-in-details/#33af89257695 Keith Idec said the guarantee was 9M for Spence and 8.5M for Garcia. And the PPV ended up doing better numbers than expected and the live gate was 4.7M. That's where the around 10M number comes from.

Well your 1st paragraph sums it all up. We don't really know and need more evidence. Mikey is Mexican, but Spence is popular with Floyd's fanbase. Yes when we see the numbers for Garcia/Garcia and Spence/Porter we will have more information to reach a conclusion. Yep good points...we will see, will be interesting

Honestly, I don't think either one has proven their drawing power as PPV attractions, however, it's a significant fight and if PPV is the way to get them the most money, than that's probably how it should be done.

There could be some of that, but there is an argument that DAZN is trying to replace HBO's vacancy & PBC is trying to replace the PPV vacancy with Canelo gone. I mean idk if that was either side's goal cuz HBO getting out of boxing was just rumor & speculation for years so why would anyone think it would more or less be timed with DAZN entering the game & lead to the situation we are in now, but that seems to be how it went down. If HBO was still in business I think DAZN is having an even harder time making a play in boxing & might even be going down other sport roads harder than they've gotten into boxing & obviously if HBO is still around & doing 2 to 4 PPV's a year its unlikely PBC is doing as many PPV's as they are currently doing. So idk if its much beyond opportunity with what people are doing right now. And if you can make bigger plays & make bigger money you gotta take it if you wanna be this next era's HBO cuz someone is gonna eventually become the new HBO & be the go to spot for boxing. All this boxing thats on right now with all these high level players ins't gonna last forever so enjoy it & quit b^tching about it so much. Good post as usual man...very good perspectives...I strongly dislike high priced PPVs though so I will always complain about that lol :0

I don't disagree with you either my friend...someone else had a good point before that Mikey and Spence got similar numbers before that fight...and that it was also Mikey's first PPV fight. So no real evidence that I've seen to indicate it was all/mainly Mikey. My personal opinion is that Mikey was really driving the sales...but I can't say that for certain...will be interested to see how well this one does if it is on PPV. As another guy mentioned, if it doesn't really sell (maybe similar to Crawford-Khan) it does take away some of Errol's negotiating power...I guess seeing what Garcia-Garcia does on PPV will be a good barometer as well. Well your 1st paragraph sums it all up. We don't really know and need more evidence. Mikey is Mexican, but Spence is popular with Floyd's fanbase. Yes when we see the numbers for Garcia/Garcia and Spence/Porter we will have more information to reach a conclusion.

I don't disagree, I just don't know how we know it was Mikey that sold all the PPV's. Is there some kind of report posters have seen or are posters using the "Mikey is Mexican and Mexicans love boxing so Mikey drove the PPV sales" metric. I think we can agree that is somewhat faulty metric. I don't disagree with you either my friend...someone else had a good point before that Mikey and Spence got similar numbers before that fight...and that it was also Mikey's first PPV fight. So no real evidence that I've seen to indicate it was all/mainly Mikey. My personal opinion is that Mikey was really driving the sales...but I can't say that for certain...will be interested to see how well this one does if it is on PPV. As another guy mentioned, if it doesn't really sell (maybe similar to Crawford-Khan) it does take away some of Errol's negotiating power...I guess seeing what Garcia-Garcia does on PPV will be a good barometer as well.

My sentiments too...but some disagree... I don't disagree, I just don't know how we know it was Mikey that sold all the PPV's. Is there some kind of report posters have seen or are posters using the "Mikey is Mexican and Mexicans love boxing so Mikey drove the PPV sales" metric. I think we can agree that is somewhat faulty metric.

At $70 bucks, I think 100k PPV is where it may come in, without any inflated stuff coming in. That's $7 million...I don't know what the breakeven is but it has to be more than that. Oh well I guess we will just have to see how it all plays out. I don't have Showtime so couldn't watch it on there...but was hoping to catch it on Fox...doubt I will be paying for this one I think it could go as high as 125-150, depending on the amount of promotion it gets. It got pushed to the fall, so they can run commercials during Fox's NFL games. Personally, that matchup doesn't do anything for me. I'll probably end up just watching the highlights on Facebook.

lol what are you guys on? Spence didn't draw shyt. Garcia filled the stadium with Mexicans My sentiments too...but some disagree...

IMO no it shouldn't be on PPV it should be on Fox.

Its a good fight, title unification bout. Its ppv worthy, but neither guy are household names just yet, spence is no longer going to fight on non ppv though, he tasted that money and wont go back

lol what are you guys on? Spence didn't draw shyt. Garcia filled the stadium with Mexicans

Not really but I will pay for it. I just wish they would make all these PPV $40.00. that's a fair price My big issue as well...would love some $20 ppvs You can't look at it from a P&L perspective, that's not where boxing is. It doesn't really matter if this event makes money at all. PBC has a 60 million dollar+ yearly budget from Fox. If they put on a PPV like Spence-Porter and it, say, ends up losing 1-2 million dollars when all the dust has settled, what is the real outcome? -The fighters got massive paydays -Haymon got his cut from both fighters -PBC delivered a title fight with two (semi)marquee names to Fox, which is exactly what they're paying PBC to do, for only a couple million bucks out of their 60mil budget. So who loses here? Well, no one. If PBC was using a big chunk of their yearly budget to put on a fight the fans are at best lukewarm about, then you could say the fans and Fox are on the losing end. But by putting it on PPV, its more-or-less asking people that really want to see Spence-Porter to shoulder the burden of the purses via PPV, and not affect quality the rest of the years output (in theory). If the PPV is an absolute disaster, then maybe they would want to rethink this kind of matchup going forward, but to me it makes sense. And further, if you look at it from PPV averages alone, Pac-Borner and Spence-Garcia did really well, and the upcoming Pac-Thurman and Garcia-Garcia are expected to do well too. They can afford to "push it" with this one. I'm no Haymon fanboy, but this model seems to be working pretty well for PBC so far, although I cant speak whether Fox is satisfied. Got ya, good insights man...I admit I am not as educated on what PBC has/is doing there with those networks and budgets...so good information there, thanks. A couple million dollar loss may not be bad as long as the long-term stuff works out, as you suggest. At $70 bucks, I think 100k PPV is where it may come in, without any inflated stuff coming in. That's $7 million...I don't know what the breakeven is but it has to be more than that. Oh well I guess we will just have to see how it all plays out. I don't have Showtime so couldn't watch it on there...but was hoping to catch it on Fox...doubt I will be paying for this one

On face value? No, but Spence isn't taking a big pay cut from the 10M or so he made vs Garcia and isn't going to settle for a non-PPV fight after doing 360k buys vs Garcia. Rightfully or not, he feels like he is a PPV fighter from this point on. GGG was the same way from the Lemieux fight on until he signed with DAZN. Only fight after that one that wasn't PPV was Vanes, and that was because it was a late replacement and you just couldn't put that on PPV. You have a source for Spence earning $10M against Mikey? Of course it is. Spence draws in 5million viewers on regular fox and just sold over 300k ppv on his own against an unknown mickey garcia Trolling hard I see. Sold 300K "on his own" against an "unknown" in Garcia? GTFOOH with that fan boy nonsense. This fight SHOULD be a PPV worthy event, but my money says it will be a break even fight in PPV sales. It's a risk for Spence because if it flops, he loses leverage against Crawford.

Will they be able to sell enough to cover it though? I just don't get it...don't see how it does over 100k these days on PPV...maybe I'm wrong You can't look at it from a P&L perspective, that's not where boxing is. It doesn't really matter if this event makes money at all. PBC has a 60 million dollar+ yearly budget from Fox. If they put on a PPV like Spence-Porter and it, say, ends up losing 1-2 million dollars when all the dust has settled, what is the real outcome? -The fighters got massive paydays -Haymon got his cut from both fighters -PBC delivered a title fight with two (semi)marquee names to Fox, which is exactly what they're paying PBC to do, for only a couple million bucks out of their 60mil budget. So who loses here? Well, no one. If PBC was using a big chunk of their yearly budget to put on a fight the fans are at best lukewarm about, then you could say the fans and Fox are on the losing end. But by putting it on PPV, its more-or-less asking people that really want to see Spence-Porter to shoulder the burden of the purses via PPV, and not affect quality the rest of the years output (in theory). If the PPV is an absolute disaster, then maybe they would want to rethink this kind of matchup going forward, but to me it makes sense. And further, if you look at it from PPV averages alone, Pac-Borner and Spence-Garcia did really well, and the upcoming Pac-Thurman and Garcia-Garcia are expected to do well too. They can afford to "push it" with this one. I'm no Haymon fanboy, but this model seems to be working pretty well for PBC so far, although I cant speak whether Fox is satisfied.

Not really but I will pay for it. I just wish they would make all these PPV $40.00. that's a fair price