New rankings according to TBRB

Taking Fury seriously on Twitter is like taking me seriously if I tell you I f**ked your mom. So he's out of the ring for two years, vacates his belts (so he wont be stripped of them) and at various times refers to himself as retired. How is that not retired? There isn't a set of rules listed anywhere, so it's open to interpretation, and given the above, I'd say Tyson was as retired as you can possibly get. What sets it apart from any other retired fighter? He didn't hold a press conference? Using that static logic some posters and writers are pushing: If Lennox Lewis announced a comeback today and fought Steve Cunningham in his comeback, that fight would be for the lineal title.... because he didn't really retire if he came back later. Which is a load of ****.

TBRB took their recognition off Fury when he vacated his remaining WBA, WBO, and IBO belts to focus on his mental health and substance abuse problems. It was weird because you can't vacate a lineal title. You either lose it in the ring, move to another weight class, or retire. Fury didn't do any of that. He is a drug cheat, but that was for his fight against Hammer. He didn't test positive for PEDs for the Klitschko fight. He absolutely did. The questions is, what constitutes a 'legitimate' retirement? Is there such a thing? He vacated the belts, cancelled his fights and quit the sport once, and announced he was retired twice on Twitter. He changed his mind shortly thereafter both times, but its not a black and white issue as Dan Rafael and others are trying to say. Boxing is the saddest thing I ever took part in, all a pile of ****, I'm the greatest, & I'm also retired, so go suck a dick, happy days.😀😀😀— TYSON FURY (@Tyson_Fury) October 3, 2016

Klitschko and Povetkin beat Ortiz . Fury has no title defenses so one loss doesn't mean Joshua wont defeat wilder and Fury, boxing has never worked like that and never will .Ha Uh-oh, somebody DKSAB https://media.giphy.com/media/6iRkrFbUaY2kw/giphy.gif

“Hahahaha u think you will get rid of the GYPSYKING that easy!!! I’m here to stay. #TheGreatest just shows u what the Medea (sic) are like. Tut tut. “Soon as I get better I’ll be defending what’s mine the heavyweight thrown.” That was after his other retirement. He retired twice.

It's easy to disregard because he didn't test positive for his lineal title victory or afterwards. He tested positive for the fight before against Hammer. he should have never been allowed to fight klitschko in the first place. that's a failure of UKAD and the BBBoC. it's just a fact, regardless of how he got there, that the guy didn't fight for damn near three years. not only that, during that period he was unfit to fight. couldn't get through training camp and was 400 lbs according to numerous people! that was not the lineal HW champion of the world, it was a retired fighter who came back. Lennox lewis could come back tomorrow and be HW champion of the world according to that logic. otherwise it becomes a "slippery slope" argument regarding when you think a "long enough" retirement constitutes vacant lineage. ring magazine used to give fighters benefit of the doubt if there were promotional issues, injuries etc, but otherwise they would require fighters to fight once a year. this idea goes all the way back to 1922, when newspapers and reporters were the watchdogs of boxing, responsible even for scoring in the newspaper decision era. ring magazine created a belt to essentially validate the idea of "lineage," "or the guy who beat the guy," and they would strip fighters when they moved up in weight, didn't take a fight for 12-18 months without justification, or retired. in fury's case he did both, and you can add in a suspension for drugs the drugs.

Ruiz shouldn't get #1 spot, especially since he lost to Parker already. It should be Wilder/Fury, then Ruiz, then AJ.

Can't argue with that. Real Deal Ruiz is the new Kingpin.

Tyson Fury is the lineal heavyweight champion. tyson fury didn't fight for damn near 3 years because he was suspended for drugs. either that or he retired. either way, he was not the lineal champion when he came back unless you completely discount a suspension literally for anabolic steroids :lol1:.

Via cryptic Instagram message? His October one wasn't so cryptic... "Boxing is the saddest thing I ever took part in, all a pile of ****, I'm the greatest, & I'm also retired, so go suck a dick, happy days.😀😀😀"

TBRB took their recognition off Fury when he vacated his remaining WBA, WBO, and IBO belts to focus on his mental health and substance abuse problems. It was weird because you can't vacate a lineal title. You either lose it in the ring, move to another weight class, or retire. Fury didn't do any of that. He is a drug cheat, but that was for his fight against Hammer. He didn't test positive for PEDs for the Klitschko fight. Fury retired in July of 2017.

I prefer ESPNs list over the TBRB.

More evidence that boxing writers havent got a clue

Don't give me Fury as some great accomplishment for Wilder. He didn't beat him, and most thought he was lucky to come away with a draw. TBRB have ranked fighters (which is what we're talking about here) based on Fury win - so it doesn't add to Wilder's resume for the purposes of this discussion. So it all comes down to how you rated Ortiz or Joshua at the time they fought Wilder and Ruiz. You might have some support on here for your view of Ortiz, but the vast majority, including every non-belt ranking body saw Joshua as the higher ranked fighter. I think Wilder needs a better win than Ortiz on his resume to be ranked one. Especially when there's a multiple belt holder who just beat an undefeated, number one ranked, unified champion.

Hang on, you think I'm criticising Wilder but bigging up Ruiz. Then you say one notable win doesn't get you to the top... ..while pushing Stiverne and Ortiz as notable wins? Wilder has no notable win. At the very best he got a draw with Fury (that's being very generous). That's as good as it gets on his record. In fact, tell me who in the division does have more than one notable win? And if you're going to include the likes of Stiverne and Ortiz then the answer will continue to be Joshua! He's the only one to beat multiple top fighters. Ortiz is notable because Wilder's the only one who was ever willing to fight him. If you think the undefeated southpaw with Cuban boxing skills and power was a bullshxt win then I don't know what to say to you. I absolutely think Ortiz on the night he fought Wilder was a better opponent than anybody else other than Wilder & Fury ever had when they fought each other. AJ fought dudes who were never as tough of a fight as Ortiz was. Klitschko would've lost to Ortiz if he fought him instead of Fury. Bryant Jennings gave Wlad a hard time, FFS. Joseph Parker (who beat Ruiz), past prime Povetkin, a green Dillian Whyte, Charles Martin, Breazeale, and none of those other dudes are not as good as Ortiz was, which is why most of them were shephereded away from him. Wilder having Ortiz & Fury on his record is the best possible resume without having Joshua on it to me. None of those other guys would beat them to me. Ruiz lost to a guy who would lost to both of them easily and even lost to Joshua easily. Like I said, Joshua wasn't good enough to justify a jump like that. Fury & Wilder are 1A & 1B and virtually everyone knows it, including them, who constantly say it about each other.

No anyone can not choose to be undefeated. Unless you're Floyd Mayweather or somebody who can basically call their own shots, you mostly fight who's in front of you. Wilder's fought Stiverne, who was a heavyweight champ 2 times, Fury, and knocked out Ortiz, the boogie man of the division. Ortiz is better than Joseph Parker, who Ruiz lost to, which is why AJ couldn't wait to fight Parker, but wanted nothing to do with King Kong. Wilder also drew with Fury, the other guy who could justifiably be called no.1 in the rankings. You can't criticize Wilder's record and then big up Ruiz, who had an even weaker opponent list than his and lost to a guy who's not even in the same class as Joshua, who Ruiz beat. One victory alone shouldn't get you to the top of the list. That's be like putting Buster Douglas as the top heavyweight after he beat Tyson. You can't go from nobody to the top of the heap. Hang on, you think I'm criticising Wilder but bigging up Ruiz. Then you say one notable win doesn't get you to the top... ..while pushing Stiverne and Ortiz as notable wins? Wilder has no notable win. At the very best he got a draw with Fury (that's being very generous). That's as good as it gets on his record. In fact, tell me who in the division does have more than one notable win? And if you're going to include the likes of Stiverne and Ortiz then the answer will continue to be Joshua! He's the only one to beat multiple top fighters.

Anyone can choose to be undefeated. It's easy. You pick guys who can't beat you. To top the rankings you have to beat someone. To be their champion you have to beat another champion contender. Ruiz beat AJ. His best win was a couple of weeks ago and came against a guy who was ranked 1 after beating Klitschko, Parker (ranked 3), Povetkin (ranked 3). Wilder has beaten one guy of note. Luis Ortiz. Luis Ortiz has beaten no-one of note. In their book he then lost to a comeback Fury. Fury meanwhile has beaten Klitschko. It was years ago and he popped plus retired afterwards but he still did it. TBRB are also treating his fight against Wilder as a win. Feel free to disagree but that's what they've done. The rankings make sense. You can't make any case for Wilder being number 1 until he actually beats someone of note, like Ruiz did. No anyone can not choose to be undefeated. Unless you're Floyd Mayweather or somebody who can basically call their own shots, you mostly fight who's in front of you. Wilder's fought Stiverne, who was a heavyweight champ 2 times, Fury, and knocked out Ortiz, the boogie man of the division. Ortiz is better than Joseph Parker, who Ruiz lost to, which is why AJ couldn't wait to fight Parker, but wanted nothing to do with King Kong. Wilder also drew with Fury, the other guy who could justifiably be called no.1 in the rankings. You can't criticize Wilder's record and then big up Ruiz, who had an even weaker opponent list than his and lost to a guy who's not even in the same class as Joshua, who Ruiz beat. One victory alone shouldn't get you to the top of the list. That's be like putting Buster Douglas as the top heavyweight after he beat Tyson. You can't go from nobody to the top of the heap.

Fury hasn't been lineal on any ratings for 2 years. He got banned for using steroids you know. - -Botched drug testing and mishandling by BBbc. Andy beat the man #1 and AJ#2 fighting the man who beat the man in their rematch. AJ aleady beat the rest or made them duck, so Andy the only man to answer the call, so the chaff can go diddle themselves for the scraps.

guys...... lets make our own NSB rankings for heavyweight who's down? we can keep discussing it here on how it will work... when the rankings should be updated etc. our rankings should be simple.... you win... you move up so top 10 or top 20?

Yup, and that doesn't change whether he's Ranked #1 or not. but but but according to that juggernaut dude that can't throw a left hook without jumping..... said that you MUST have a belt to defend in order to be lineal :lol1: no belt = not lineal :rofl:

TBRB is very credible. I believe they Fury was "stripped" because he was banned for 2 years that is why he isn't listed as champion despite being the lineal champ in theory. Ruiz should be the #1 contender to the lineal title as WBA/IBF/WBO hwt champ. Wilder #2 as the WBC champ. Fury #3 and AJ #4 and Ortiz #5. I have no problem with Fury being #2 since I had him winning the Wilder fight. nah they actually stripped him of it once he "retired"..... at least that's what trbr had said before.