A lot of confusion here about Andy.
So, let's talk about it because the Americans are quick to claim him.
He's a Mexican that was born in California, but bounced back and forth between Imperial Valley and Mexicali.
Antonio Margarito was born in Torrance California. Does that make him a Mexican American?
Mauricio Herrera was born in the U.S., but very Mexican and people would hardly consider him an American...fights for the Mexican flag...period.
Americans deployed in the military have kids in South Korea, Germany, etc that are active duty...are their kids Korean, German?
Andy was born in California, but speaks fluent Spanish and is different then Oscar De La Hoya, Fernando Vargas, Benavidez, because he had strong ties to Mexico. Bounced back and forth between I.V. and Mexicali and trained in Mexico, and even competed as a member of the Mexican Olympic team.
The President of Mexico himself gave a congratulatory message to Andy yesterday. Why? Because he's Mexican.
People are confused because Andy is fluent in English so naturally they think ...AMURICA!
Your birth place doesn't tell the whole story, especially for all those Mexican kids from the border towns where they cross back and forth for school, and family ties.
His name is Lion81 and has a full red bar. Hes likely one of War Mikeys Alts or likely not even a Mexican. And if its not War Mikey or it is a Mexican it should say a whole lot about the guy if he lives here illegally and hates this country.
Besides I wouldn't pay any mind to any Mexican threatening the USA. lol! I mean really Jim? Mexicans are the least bit of our worries as a country. Besides I can tell you first hand there is a large majority of Mexicans that now live in the USA that appreciate the opportunities and only want the best for the kids.
What drives me insane and why I have been so vocal about Ruiz is posters that seem to have such a problem with Ruiz claiming to be Mexican are the same posters thatd love to end Birthright citizenship BUT now wanna get upset with Ruiz for claiming hes Mexican? Hows that make sense? Also its the same posters that say Mexicans cant assimilate or that our kids aren't as successful as other minority groups now want to accept Ruiz? You cant always have your cake and eat it too.
Lastly, we live in a free country, we allow men to say they are women. We let the same sex couples get married and call it a union but A man born on the California/Mexican border & has dual citizenship cant call himself a Mexican? Wow!
Yeah I figured that much about the guy being an alt or firestarter. Regardless, believe me when I tell you I have no qualms about Mexicans, or them coming over here legally or illegally. They are trying to make a better life for themselves, and if they can exploit a weak system or border than that is USA's fault, not theirs. My qualms are always over respecting the land that we all live in. That American flag is one of the only things that unites me with someone living 2000 miles on the other side of the country..
As for Ruiz, I also have no problem with him claiming to be Mexican, he can be both Mexican and American whatever he likes. He is obviously ethnically Mexican and was raised in Mexican culture, and if its Mexico he wants to represent more power to him. I congratulate the Mexicans on having their first heavyweight fighter. Now lets hope he trims down a bit from his 268 and becomes one of the most formidable guys in the division.
No not at all, I like their food and lot of their fighters. Im just refuting the stupidity that that buffoon kept writing. He escapes Mexico for USA, and then proceeds to crap on USA, where they do that at? By that token why aren't you calling him out for hating everything American, seeing as how you live here?
As for Ruiz I wish him a long reign as well, he comes off a nice guy. I just don't think it will happen due to his stature.
His name is Lion81 and has a full red bar. Hes likely one of War Mikeys Alts or likely not even a Mexican. And if its not War Mikey or it is a Mexican it should say a whole lot about the guy if he lives here illegally and hates this country.
Besides I wouldn't pay any mind to any Mexican threatening the USA. lol! I mean really Jim? Mexicans are the least bit of our worries as a country. Besides I can tell you first hand there is a large majority of Mexicans that now live in the USA that appreciate the opportunities and only want the best for the kids.
What drives me insane and why I have been so vocal about Ruiz is posters that seem to have such a problem with Ruiz claiming to be Mexican are the same posters thatd love to end Birthright citizenship BUT now wanna get upset with Ruiz for claiming hes Mexican? Hows that make sense? Also its the same posters that say Mexicans cant assimilate or that our kids aren't as successful as other minority groups now want to accept Ruiz? You cant always have your cake and eat it too.
Lastly, we live in a free country, we allow men to say they are women. We let the same sex couples get married and call it a union but A man born on the California/Mexican border & has dual citizenship cant call himself a Mexican? Wow!
He's Mexican-American but I suspect he's repping the first Mexican heavyweight champion title hard because it's more marketable in the long run in both the States and in Mexico than being known as "first Mexican-American heavyweight champion". That Canelo effect. They're going all in with this. I believe the announcers, commentators and members of the media have been informed of this marketing strategy by his management too because it was all over the fight coverage before and after.
I also believe he's genuinely proud of his heritage too. Money or no money.
As if having a city with a Spanish name makes it more desirable to live in. You really are a grade A moron. You are bragging about AMERICAN cities with Spanish sounding names. Thats like someone from England bragging about New York. Why aren't you bragging about actual Mexican cities like Tijuana, Los Cabos, or Acapulco they also have Spanish sounding names. Maybe has something to do with the fact that their flavor consists of an actual turd. The only roots and foundation you laid out concerning American cities was what sort of tunnel or fence you were going to jump to get into them. Mexicans didn't build Hollywood or Silicon Valley, we did.
Let me also add, I'd choose New York, Philadephia, Nashville or any other German or English sounding named City over the ones you mentioned, like San Francisco, where the homeless and drug infested population would make a person sick.
As for me, sorry to disappoint you, but I live right outside of Philly, which also puts me an hour from NYC, Atlantic City, and the beach. You want to talk about culture, you pale in comparison to what I am around.
Stay classy Donald
he was born in America. that LITERALLY means hes american.
Yes, me too. I was born in the caribbean islands, Central America. I’m American. Ruiz represents the North American country named Mexico.
Good post. Green k if possible.
U just hate everything Mexican dont u Jim? I hope Ruizs reign is long, i know it burns u up inside.
No not at all, I like their food and lot of their fighters. Im just refuting the stupidity that that buffoon kept writing. He escapes Mexico for USA, and then proceeds to crap on USA, where they do that at? By that token why aren't you calling him out for hating everything American, seeing as how you live here?
As for Ruiz I wish him a long reign as well, he comes off a nice guy. I just don't think it will happen due to his stature.
As if having a city with a Spanish name makes it more desirable to live in. You really are a grade A moron. You are bragging about AMERICAN cities with Spanish sounding names. Thats like someone from England bragging about New York. Why aren't you bragging about actual Mexican cities like Tijuana, Los Cabos, or Acapulco they also have Spanish sounding names. Maybe has something to do with the fact that their flavor consists of an actual turd. The only roots and foundation you laid out concerning American cities was what sort of tunnel or fence you were going to jump to get into them. Mexicans didn't build Hollywood or Silicon Valley, we did.
Let me also add, I'd choose New York, Philadephia, Nashville or any other German or English sounding named City over the ones you mentioned, like San Francisco, where the homeless and drug infested population would make a person sick.
As for me, sorry to disappoint you, but I live right outside of Philly, which also puts me an hour from NYC, Atlantic City, and the beach. You want to talk about culture, you pale in comparison to what I am around.
U just hate everything Mexican dont u Jim? I hope Ruizs reign is long, i know it burns u up inside.
Get back here pu$$$y...
You want to talk about Mexico all day, yet when it turns into a discussion about what's wrong with America you turned into a giant fuking Pu$$y and now want to bow out of the conversation.
Why don't you want to discuss mass shootings like recently in ...can't even remember what the last one was because there are so many. Young people dying in the U.S. Mass shootings in schools? You're weak.
That's right biiitch. GTFO off my thread.
KO BIIITCH
You've never been to Mexico...I can tell.
Up and down the east coast...wow, you're so well travelled! Lmao
Let's see my man has been to Atlantic City, New Yawk, Pennsyl...fuking...vania Lol
Nice job trying to avoid a subject that exposes the U.S. as being a giant shiiithole. The mass shootings in schools and elsewhere.
Can't even keep track anymore can you? Shooting after shooting.
What a fuking pile of garbage your country is. This is happening on your watch proud American. Why don't you want to discuss this issue...but can talk all day about what's wrong with Mexico?
My country is a pile of shit, yet you and your family did everything you possibly could to get here.... Do you even read what you write?
You guys were looking for a better life, I get it, but now that you are here be grateful and respect of the country you live in, which is clearly 100x better than the one you came from.
As for California, I am not going to insult a state that belongs to me as much as all the other states that I lived in. I love the whole of this country from California down to Montana and Alabama. Like I said even the worst USA state is still far better than the best part of Mexico.
I am going to end this here on a positive note, and sincerely wish you and your family happiness in your new found land.
What are you talking about Mexicans aren't crossing over anymore? ICE just apprehended a record number of you, over 100K trying to sneak over the border only last month!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/record-number-undocumented-immigrants-flooded-southern-border-may-n1014186
Nobody is trying to live in shіtty ass Mexico including yourself, unless you have money and a private residence on the beach. Everything you utter is pure stupidity.
You're bigging up California like the state doesn't belong to me. I've lived in NY, Jersey, Pa and been up and down the east coast. Tomorrow if I wanted to I can book a ticket to California without worrying about ICE, and when I arrive ill feel more at home there than you because it's an AMERICAN state and I'm American.
The only people in the world who don't know what Philadelphia is are uneducated highschool dropouts like yourself.
You've never been to Mexico...I can tell.
Up and down the east coast...wow, you're so well travelled! Lmao
Let's see my man has been to Atlantic City, New Yawk, Pennsyl...fuking...vania Lol
Nice job trying to avoid a subject that exposes the U.S. as being a giant shiiithole. The mass shootings in schools and elsewhere.
Can't even keep track anymore can you? Shooting after shooting.
What a fuking pile of garbage your country is. This is happening on your watch proud American. Why don't you want to discuss this issue...but can talk all day about what's wrong with Mexico?
Mexicans aren't crossing anymore...but your people are.
All that economic might, yet Americans are starting to look south of the border to live out their lives.
Why?
Over a million now, living in Mexico.
Btw...
Has anyone outside of the U.S. ever heard of Philadelphia? Probably not.
Why don't you stop wasting your time being concerned about Mexico and start doing something about mass school shootings and the heroin epidemic. Seriously, it's out of control. Fuking shiiithole place, were kids can't even study without worrying about getting shot up with an ak-47.
What are you talking about Mexicans aren't crossing over anymore? ICE just apprehended a record number of you, over 100K trying to sneak over the border only last month!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/record-number-undocumented-immigrants-flooded-southern-border-may-n1014186
Nobody is trying to live in shіtty ass Mexico including yourself, unless you have money and a private residence on the beach. Everything you utter is pure stupidity.
You're bigging up California like the state doesn't belong to me. I've lived in NY, Jersey, Pa and been up and down the east coast. Tomorrow if I wanted to I can book a ticket to California without worrying about ICE, and when I arrive ill feel more at home there than you because it's an AMERICAN state and I'm American.
The only people in the world who don't know what Philadelphia is are uneducated highschool dropouts like yourself.
Bolded: Whyd they even cross in the first place? You don't have to answer, everyone knows why.
Math obviously isn't your strong suit. American economic GDP is 20 trillion, Californias contribution is 3 Trillion. Take out California and America is still 17 trillion to California's 3. Regardless California is an AMERICAN state, so good for California for being the largest contributor to the AMERICAN and not Mexican economy.
As for the world the most popular city is hands down NYC, and the largest LEGAL immigrant destination is the East Coast. California houses the largest amount of illegal rejects such as yourself, but that's about it.
Mexicans aren't crossing anymore...but your people are.
All that economic might, yet Americans are starting to look south of the border to live out their lives.
Why?
Over a million now, living in Mexico.
Btw...
Has anyone outside of the U.S. ever heard of Philadelphia? Probably not.
Why don't you stop wasting your time being concerned about Mexico and start doing something about mass school shootings and the heroin epidemic. Seriously, it's out of control. Fuking shiiithole place, were kids can't even study without worrying about getting shot up with an ak-47.
I can see the dust coming of those old tired border fence/tunnel jokes.
Mexicans don't cross the border in mass anymore. This isn't the 90s.
As I mentioned before phag...there are over a million of your people flooding Mexico, moving in, and actually being welcomed. Cancun, Cabo, P.V., Playa Del Carmen, Holbox, Tulum, Acapulco, Merida, are all being run over by your people, because we offer a better lifestyle then anything you have to offer.
The U.S. is an economic giant. That's it. Take Cali out of the equation and you're just a rich Russia. Uninteresting. Sorry.
The U.S. has to hang onto California's nuts just to be relevant worldwide. What foreigner knows anything about the U.S. besides California and NY? They know zero.
And Philly Lol, dude I fuking laughed when you said this. Philly is a place I've been to twice and it fuking SUCKS. Zero hot *****es and there was zero reason to stay. Oh, wait, an eagles football game, WOW!! lol We had to meet a friend then took off the NY as soon as we could.
And please don't mention Atlantic City and culture at the same time, ever again phag. Just stop lol
Bolded: Whyd they even cross in the first place? You don't have to answer, everyone knows why.
Math obviously isn't your strong suit. American economic GDP is 20 trillion, Californias contribution is 3 Trillion. Take out California and America is still 17 trillion to California's 3. Regardless California is an AMERICAN state, so good for California for being the largest contributor to the AMERICAN and not Mexican economy.
As for the world the most popular city is hands down NYC, and the largest LEGAL immigrant destination is the East Coast. California houses the largest amount of illegal rejects such as yourself, but that's about it.
As if having a city with a Spanish name makes it more desirable to live in. You really are a grade A moron. You are bragging about AMERICAN cities with Spanish sounding names. Thats like someone from England bragging about New York. Why aren't you bragging about actual Mexican cities like Tijuana, Los Cabos, or Acapulco they also have Spanish sounding names. Maybe has something to do with the fact that their flavor consists of an actual turd. The only roots and foundation you laid out concerning American cities was what sort of tunnel or fence you were going to jump to get into them. Mexicans didn't build Hollywood or Silicon Valley, we did.
Let me also add, I'd choose New York, Philadephia, Nashville or any other German or English sounding named City over the ones you mentioned, like San Francisco, where the homeless and drug infested population would make a person sick.
As for me, sorry to disappoint you, but I live right outside of Philly, which also puts me an hour from NYC, Atlantic City, and the beach. You want to talk about culture, you pale in comparison to what I am around.
I can see the dust coming of those old tired border fence/tunnel jokes.
Mexicans don't cross the border in mass anymore. This isn't the 90s.
As I mentioned before phag...there are over a million of your people flooding Mexico, moving in, and actually being welcomed. Cancun, Cabo, P.V., Playa Del Carmen, Holbox, Tulum, Acapulco, Merida, are all being run over by your people, because we offer a better lifestyle then anything you have to offer.
The U.S. is an economic giant. That's it. Take Cali out of the equation and you're just a rich Russia. Uninteresting. Sorry.
The U.S. has to hang onto California's nuts just to be relevant worldwide. What foreigner knows anything about the U.S. besides California and NY? They know zero.
And Philly Lol, dude I fuking laughed when you said this. Philly is a place I've been to twice and it fuking SUCKS. Zero hot *****es and there was zero reason to stay. Oh, wait, an eagles football game, WOW!! lol We had to meet a friend then took off the NY as soon as we could.
And please don't mention Atlantic City and culture at the same time, ever again phag. Just stop lol
You are so lost lol. It's all good though, can be confusing.
Genetically, Mexican isn't anything. It's a country.
Mexicans are a mix of European and Amerindian, just like most of Latin America.
What you meant to say was Andy is more European genetically than Amerindian from the America's AKA Aztec/Mayan.
Myself, I'm Mexican, but my DNA tests showed I was close to 50% Iberian/Southern European and 45% Amerindian. 5% rest of the world. So my descendants were both from Spain and from the Americas, Aztec or some other native cultures.
Canelo/Andy/Louis Ck/Guillermo Del Toro/Oscar De La Hoya are all Mexicans who have way more European blood.
George Lopez/Fernando Vargas/Machete lol/Marquez/Barrera are all Mexicans that are more mixed or have more Amerindian blood.
Both groups above are all Mexican.
I'm not lost lol I was just using mexican as a generic term. I'm mixed myself, only 36% native, 55% European (allll over it's ridiculous how mixed I am), and a bunch of other stuff.
My native features are dominant though, I kind of look like David Benavidez, dark brown skin & everything.
California, Texas grew up to be incredibly different than the rest of Flyover Amurica. Think about it. Why? Because the Spanish/Mexican influence laid down the roots and foundatioin for what would become LOS ANGELES, SAN DIEGO, SAN FRANCSICO, SAN JOSE, ETC. These places grew up with flavor, not like the rest of the country.
If not, these places would be another boring town named Winchester, Wilshire, etc. Imagine instead of San Francisco, it was called Patsville, or lamesville Lol.
Why are you even on a boxing forum you sister fuking hillbilly?
Get your yeehaahhh phagggt ass over to the NASCAR forum.
By the way, I would love to guess what boring shiiiit state produced a hillbilly like you. Let me guess, Arkansas? Lol
As if having a city with a Spanish name makes it more desirable to live in. You really are a grade A moron. You are bragging about AMERICAN cities with Spanish sounding names. Thats like someone from England bragging about New York. Why aren't you bragging about actual Mexican cities like Tijuana, Los Cabos, or Acapulco they also have Spanish sounding names. Maybe has something to do with the fact that their flavor consists of an actual turd. The only roots and foundation you laid out concerning American cities was what sort of tunnel or fence you were going to jump to get into them. Mexicans didn't build Hollywood or Silicon Valley, we did.
Let me also add, I'd choose New York, Philadephia, Nashville or any other German or English sounding named City over the ones you mentioned, like San Francisco, where the homeless and drug infested population would make a person sick.
As for me, sorry to disappoint you, but I live right outside of Philly, which also puts me an hour from NYC, Atlantic City, and the beach. You want to talk about culture, you pale in comparison to what I am around.
Genetically Ruiz is probably more European than Mexican or at least 50/50, most Mexican Americans are. So technically he's european! But really though it doesn't matter.
You are so lost lol. It's all good though, can be confusing.
Genetically, Mexican isn't anything. It's a country.
Mexicans are a mix of European and Amerindian, just like most of Latin America.
What you meant to say was Andy is more European genetically than Amerindian from the America's AKA Aztec/Mayan.
Myself, I'm Mexican, but my DNA tests showed I was close to 50% Iberian/Southern European and 45% Amerindian. 5% rest of the world. So my descendants were both from Spain and from the Americas, Aztec or some other native cultures.
Canelo/Andy/Louis Ck/Guillermo Del Toro/Oscar De La Hoya are all Mexicans who have way more European blood.
George Lopez/Fernando Vargas/Machete lol/Marquez/Barrera are all Mexicans that are more mixed or have more Amerindian blood.
Both groups above are all Mexican.
Genetically Ruiz is probably more European than Mexican or at least 50/50, most Mexican Americans are. So technically he's european! But really though it doesn't matter.
Ok, so Americans in the military stationed in South Korea who have children born in South Korea are having Korean children.
Lol
He's actually both.
Antonio Margarito is also "American" fyi since he was born in the states lol
bon in california...
lives in california....
ruiz is as mexican as chevy chase 😝