Was Anthonh Joshua more ordinary under VADA?

I think he has been on peds but he could pop any ped stack he wants and Jnr would still knock his ass out. Peds or lack of are not why he lost.

I've heard numerous MMA cats who can give mfers that eye test for PEDs that have called out mfers before &/or who we've seen their shape & results deflate in the USADA UFC era say Joshua is clearly on something illegal. I think boxing cats are more behind the learning curve with PED sh^t or just wanna believe people aren't using them as much. Jameel McCline, who never failed a test, admitting he had a f#cking PED team back in the day really opened my eyes to whats likely been happening & has me speculating more strongly what could be going on now. I wouldn't be surprised if all or most the top guys in any division is using something or working angles with grey area products that is becoming more of a thing & that the UFC is up on, but I doubt boxing has no clue about looking for yet. Respect to all the guys winning the cat & mouse PED catching game for now doe. Its sketchy & f#cked up but I get it. I would normally call BS on "eye test" stuff like that but I fully believe it. When I was bodybuilding I ran different cycles because the whole thing was fascinating to me. The science of it. I ended up studying it obsessively and getting knowledgeable enough that guys would ask me to draw up cycles and pct for them. Seeing, and experiencing, the kinds of changes that happen in one's physique, you get an eye for the difference between natural and enhanced athletes. Certain muscle groups that tend to reach natural limits end up growing more easily. You also get a balanced/all around large look vs natural athletes whose genetics limit certain muscle groups. Boxing training doesn't jack up your physique. In fact, all that cardio and low resistance repetition makes it hard to pack on muscle. AJ gives me the same impression that I had about Brock Lesnar and Alistair Overeem, and I wasn't wrong about those guys. Anyhow, I haven't done any of that shyt in a few years because I promised myself I wouldn't let it fuk up my health.

Why are you guys looking for excuses why he lost? Did you guys really rated him this highly? Am actually shocked at all the excuses thats coming out from america for why he lost, i expect the excuses to be strictly from the Uk point of view. But all this americans are making excuses for him too damn!

What do you think of Wilder then? The guy just gained nearly a stone of pure muscle in 5 months as an athlete who is supposed to already be at his peak so that's pretty drastic change. Also Dillian Whyte said when he was in NY himself and a load of other fighters got randomly tested but Deontay who was in the area at the same time suspiciously wasn't. Plus his brother from the same gym got popped as well. No smoke without fire right. You guys are reaching so hard to discredit AJ further you're gonna put you're back out. Really if he's on peds he probably had them for this fight he didn't look different physically and his got enough money to cheat the system if he wanted to. Tbh I'd say he lost because he fought scared and that's it. What do I think of Wilder? I think that he's been doing VADA testing for a good long while now as part of the WBC's Clean Boxing program.

Might that have something to do with his flaccid performance yesterday? That was my first thoughts I knew before the fight that it would be different that’s why they chose an easy opponent. Easier to get away with it in the UK under Vada. What do you think of Wilder then? The guy just gained nearly a stone of pure muscle in 5 months as an athlete who is supposed to already be at his peak so that's pretty drastic change. Also Dillian Whyte said when he was in NY himself and a load of other fighters got randomly tested but Deontay who was in the area at the same time suspiciously wasn't. Plus his brother from the same gym got popped as well. No smoke without fire right. You guys are reaching so hard to discredit AJ further you're gonna put you're back out. Really if he's on peds he probably had them for this fight he didn't look different physically and his got enough money to cheat the system if he wanted to. Tbh I'd say he lost because he fought scared and that's it.

Might that have something to do with his flaccid performance yesterday? Probably why Floyd was against VADA VADA probably would not have allowed him to take a PED masking IV as well.

Last paragraph of this it's clearly easier to make stuff up than look yourself. https://www.boxingscene.com/wladimir-klitschko-tested-by-vada-anthony-joshua-fight--113190 That's very good. You've provided proof that this was not his second time testing for VADA. I stand corrected. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I never blamed his loss on VADA testing. However many within the boxing circles have. As they have far more knowledge about this topic than I do. In any case, Thanks buddy! I do appreciate the research! Nice find! :fing02:

Exactly, I am not saying that they are lying. All I ask of them is to just provide the proof that Joshua has been testing for VADA since the Klitschko fight or since its inception. I say that because it's typically UKAD and the BBBoC who are the main doping testing agencies in Great Britain and not VADA. Last paragraph of this it's clearly easier to make stuff up than look yourself. https://www.boxingscene.com/wladimir-klitschko-tested-by-vada-anthony-joshua-fight--113190

Interesting. You say Joshua has only done VADA twice while other people insist he has done it four or more times.Exactly, I am not saying that they are lying. All I ask of them is to just provide the proof that Joshua has been testing for VADA since the Klitschko fight or since its inception. I say that because it's typically UKAD and the BBBoC who are the main doping testing agencies in Great Britain and not VADA.

Just to state for the record, the Andy Ruiz, Jr bout was the second consecutive bout that AJ had undergone VADA testing. The first time he was tested by VADA was in his previous bout against Alexander Povetkin. @Vada_Testing welcomes @anthonyfjoshua & #alexanderPovetkin to our program as they prepare for their upcoming September 2018 bout. @MatchroomBoxing @worldofbox @VadimKTeam @Frank_1_Smith— Vada-Testing.org (@Vada_Testing) July 1, 2018 Interesting. You say Joshua has only done VADA twice while other people insist he has done it four or more times.

Who cares? He could be juiced to the gills, and he'd still lose to Andy Ruiz. It's a terrible styles matchup.

He did vada testing for the Klitschko fight and every fight since. He may have even done some before Klitschko.. If you can find any other documents which supports your claim, then please feel free to share by posting them on this forum. @Vada_Testing welcomes @anthonyfjoshua & #alexanderPovetkin to our program as they prepare for their upcoming September 2018 bout. @MatchroomBoxing @worldofbox @VadimKTeam @Frank_1_Smith— Vada-Testing.org (@Vada_Testing) July 1, 2018

He did vada testing for the Klitschko fight and every fight since. He may have even done some before Klitschko..If you can find any other document which supports your claim or predates this one, then please feel free to share it with the forum.

Just to state for the record, the Andy Ruiz, Jr bout was the second consecutive bout that AJ had undergone VADA testing. The first time he was tested by VADA was in his previous bout against Alexander Povetkin. @Vada_Testing welcomes @anthonyfjoshua & #alexanderPovetkin to our program as they prepare for their upcoming September 2018 bout. @MatchroomBoxing @worldofbox @VadimKTeam @Frank_1_Smith— Vada-Testing.org (@Vada_Testing) July 1, 2018 He did vada testing for the Klitschko fight and every fight since. He may have even done some before Klitschko..

Whats embarrassing is Americans thinking that the AJ vs Ruiz result had anything to do with who was ducking who in the AJ/Wilder situation. That goes for Wilder himself as well. whats really, really, embarrassing(aside from AJs performance) is brittards thinking we needed that fight to think/believe it was AJ ducking the whole time.....we could tell way before that how many fighters, promoters, trainers etc can you find that has publicly pointed a finger at wilder for the fight not happening? im not talking about ******ed internet AJ fanbois...im talking about people actually involved in the sport... i can name a bunch of guys from AJs own country and even a guy he fought that was pointing the finger at him the DAZN deal was smoke and mirros and its been pointed out that AJ just met skipper for the first time recently you expect wilder to sign a deal for 40 mil when a US ppv fight in vegas might make him 10-15 mil more? and then if he wins hes gotta rematch again for the same 40 million when he would really be entitled to much more as the undisputed champ and now a-side? LOL please...even after the DAZN deal was passed on i still didnt see a single person involved in boxing point blame at wilder or make fun of him for it.....the way i did when it was clear as day hearn was ducking the fight you live in fantasy....your pride is shattered

A bit like Froch vs Groves 1, the premature stoppage has made people forget that leading up to the stoppage, the winner was coming on strong and starting to hurt their opponent So embarrassing to see that people say AJ "struggled" with Takam lol. He didn't fight well, because of the headbutt in the first round, but basically never got out of 2nd gear because he simply didn't have to. struggled doe

Just to state for the record, the Andy Ruiz, Jr bout was the second consecutive bout that AJ had undergone VADA testing. The first time he was tested by VADA was in his previous bout against Alexander Povetkin. @Vada_Testing welcomes @anthonyfjoshua & #alexanderPovetkin to our program as they prepare for their upcoming September 2018 bout. @MatchroomBoxing @worldofbox @VadimKTeam @Frank_1_Smith— Vada-Testing.org (@Vada_Testing) July 1, 2018

I know that Dillian Whyte made the claim. But did Golovkin as well?Yes, he definitely insinuated that he was a juicer by saying that the U.S Has different doping tests than the U.K.

According to Dillian Whyte and Gennady Golovkin he was. I know that Dillian Whyte made the claim. But did Golovkin as well?

He's been doing VADA for awhile now, and there was nothing wrong with him physically. Knocked Andy down with 1 shot without any issues. Anything to crap on a fighter, right? It's even easier when they're down. Let me guess, if the rematch is in UK and Joshua wins, it's because he was allowed to go on his usual PED ****tail, right?