If Canelo beats Andrade who should rank higher as ATG beetween him and Andre Ward?

A win against Andrade means zero. Fans know Boo Boo's a paper champ. As far as legacy goes, if Alvarez retired today, his legacy would be he failed to give Golovkin a third fight.

Thats because NY is a Cosmopolitan city But thats false. You think that in Filipinas there were people supporting Márquez against Pacquiao? I see a lot of mexicans. Here in México. Supporting GGG and Jacobs against Canelo The first place I mentioned Jackson Heights has a huge population of Filipinos and btw just for the record not all Filipinos like Pacquaio or care for him as an icon of their country.

Actually, I am not. Perhaps broaden your horizons and you'll realize I am very much the typical boxing fan who supports fighters based on cojones, skills, and willingness to not pander to paychecks exclusively. Feel free to fly out to NYC i'll take you around Jackson Heights/Washington Heights/The Bronx, Brooklyn and beyond you'll find Mexicans, Indians, Dominicans, Irish, and so forth all huddled up at bars watching fights rooting for everyone. Thats because NY is a Cosmopolitan city But thats false. You think that in Filipinas there were people supporting Márquez against Pacquiao? I see a lot of mexicans. Here in México. Supporting GGG and Jacobs against Canelo

But you are a exception... Actually, I am not. Perhaps broaden your horizons and you'll realize I am very much the typical boxing fan who supports fighters based on cojones, skills, and willingness to not pander to paychecks exclusively. Feel free to fly out to NYC i'll take you around Jackson Heights/Washington Heights/The Bronx, Brooklyn and beyond you'll find Mexicans, Indians, Dominicans, Irish, and so forth all huddled up at bars watching fights rooting for everyone.

What is in bold is WRONG!!Chavez vs Taylor...actually bet wanted Canelo to show up and beat Mayweather (you can find my posts on that here) to shake up the boxing landscape but he showed up to eat punches all night, and I could go on and on. Look at the time between Chavez/Taylor and Mayweather/Canelo I can fill that with a bunch of other examples. But you are a exception...

False. Canelo is very hated by mexicans Juan Manuel Márquez is his worst hater A lot.of.mexicans were supporting GGG in the arena You never will see a black fan or a fan from Asia or UK supports a mexican against a fighter.of their own country What is in bold is WRONG!!Chavez vs Taylor...actually bet wanted Canelo to show up and beat Mayweather (you can find my posts on that here) to shake up the boxing landscape but he showed up to eat punches all night, and I could go on and on. Look at the time between Chavez/Taylor and Mayweather/Canelo I can fill that with a bunch of other examples.

I say Ward who you got and why? Ward is the harder fighter to beat, he's more well rounded and has fewer weaknesses. Canelo is also great in most areas, he's more Flashy than Ward and has more offensive skills but he has some weaknesses at the top level, his feet are a little slow (we are talking top level) and his stamina means he can't stay consistent through a 12 rounder. Ward had great physical stamina, and next level mental stamina and concentration. As far as accomplishments, they are closer than people think, Ward has a lot of haters due to GGG and Kovalev fans. Wins over Abraham, Froch, Kessler, one sided and Kovalev in the rematch, plus quite a few solid guys underneath that is a very good resume. Canelo's is deeper now I think, the best wins are pretty similar though against Kovalev and GGG respectively both were a struggle, close and competitive fights. I like Wards consistency in performance and dominance at the moment. The dominance of Froch is for me the single best performance of the two and it's a shame the 2nd Kovalev fight ended how it did because Ward was on his way to a stoppage. I think it edges out Canelo, but we should wait until Canelo has finished, he could do something extraordinary that puts him clearly over the top.

Dude I really respect the mexican contribution to the sport but every race demographic in boxing has a bunch of f'ing idiot fans including them (no ofendo los que si son fanaticos de el deporte no solo un boxeador). You would think Canelo walks on water and craps caviar the way his cok get slobbered.He's a great fighter but he barely got by a guy these same morons call "a bum tomato can." It's almost like Floyd and Manny the idiot fans actually turn you off to supporting the guy because they can't keep their nonsense and science fiction based views under control False. Canelo is very hated by mexicans Juan Manuel Márquez is his worst hater A lot.of.mexicans were supporting GGG in the arena You never will see a black fan or a fan from Asia or UK supports a mexican against a fighter.of their own country

Others may disagree but I sure don't consider Ward an all time great and I don't think Canelo is there yet either. As far as I am concerned the 36 and 37 year old GGG beat the 27 and 28 your old Canelo twice and to me with 20 successful middleweight title defenses and 94% KO wins is more of an all time great that Ward or Canelo at this point in time. Canelo won the rematch against GGG, other things are only your wet dreams . GGG barely won that fight against Jacobs and Canelo whooped his ass GGG missed 1000 punches in both fights Lol

Others may disagree but I sure don't consider Ward an all time great and I don't think Canelo is there yet either. As far as I am concerned the 36 and 37 year old GGG beat the 27 and 28 your old Canelo twice and to me with 20 successful middleweight title defenses and 94% KO wins is more of an all time great that Ward or Canelo at this point in time. Dude I really respect the mexican contribution to the sport but every race demographic in boxing has a bunch of f'ing idiot fans including them (no ofendo los que si son fanaticos de el deporte no solo un boxeador). You would think Canelo walks on water and craps caviar the way his cok get slobbered.He's a great fighter but he barely got by a guy these same morons call "a bum tomato can." It's almost like Floyd and Manny the idiot fans actually turn you off to supporting the guy because they can't keep their nonsense and science fiction based views under control

your pathetic attempt at racist nicknames isn't amusing to anyone but yourself. Andrade isn't overrated at all, he needs to do something to even be rated. People think he is a good fighter but he needs names to prove himself. Charlo brothers were a bit overrated at one point but their past bouts have people seeing the light. Every fighter out there needs to prove themselves, the eyeball test will only get you so far RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCIIIIIIIISSSSTTTTTTT alert!!!!!! batten down the hatches it is the end of the earth

Canelo > Ward.

Can Canelo finish his f'ing career first? We now labeling people all time greats before we see them perform on the decline? Two threads about the same fighter..Others may disagree but I sure don't consider Ward an all time great and I don't think Canelo is there yet either. As far as I am concerned the 36 and 37 year old GGG beat the 27 and 28 your old Canelo twice and to me with 20 successful middleweight title defenses and 94% KO wins is more of an all time great that Ward or Canelo at this point in time.

scamdrade is another overrated black fighter like charcoal bros, heard, davis etc Your pathetic attempt at racist nicknames isn't amusing to anyone but yourself. Andrade isn't overrated at all, he needs to do something to even be rated. People think he is a good fighter but he needs names to prove himself. Charlo brothers WERE a bit overrated at one point but their past bouts have people seeing the light. Every fighter out there needs to prove themselves, the eyeball test will only get you so far

I say Ward who you got and why?I don't rate Ward that highly and already rate both GGG and Canelo higher than Ward right now. Beating Andrade does not raise Canelo up at all in my opinion. I don't think Andrade is very good and I don't think he has ever defeated even one legit top 10 middleweight contender. If he has then name the top 10 middleweight he beat. I expect Canelo would easily beat Andrade. If he lost to Andrade it would lower Canelo a lot for me and of course raise Andrade up.

Canelo was clearly beaten, outclassed even. and the vast majority saw him lose to Golovkin in the first fight, and to Lara Obviously it’s hard to make this argument without sounding like a hater, but I don’t feel those points above put him in the same bracket as Ward. We wouldn’t be having this discussion if his record wasn’t so manufactured by bad scoring. Yes, a lot of people saw Ward beaten by Kovalev in the first fight, but avenged it fairly conclusively, and had a stellar career that was flawless prior to that. I don’t even think it’s close Duran was K.O'd in two rounds. Pacquiao was iced too. Canelo was outboxed at 23 years against Floyd Mayweather JR. What people said means nothing Canelo won clearly the rematch against GGG and was more dominant than Ward in the rematch against Kovalev, that fight was finished by a punch to the balls. Against Lara it was a fair result, it was not like Lara did a great job, he started well but only the 3 or 4 rounds. Ward best win is Froch that was only a good fighter, nothing more. Golovkin is way better. You cant say who was the winner or not. The funny thing is that Ward had the same competitive fights against Kovalev that was not better than GGG. Canelo is young and he is getting better and better, getting a lot.of achievements. Of fact, Ward respect Canelo a lot

Who the heck is Andrade? Dude hasn't really beaten anyone and is just now getting his career on track. Pump your brakes scamdrade is another overrated black fighter like charcoal bros, heard, davis etc

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Andrade is a nobody in boxing terms. He hasn't done anything in the sport and his resume is abysmal. Only thing Canelo gains beating him is a belt.