Why do people pretend like Tyson Fury didn't clearly beat Deontay Wilder?

See, this is the flaw, and why I'm trying to give your guy the benefit of the doubt here. Wilder won two rounds. The knockdown rounds. They don't "tighten up" anything when you're THAT wide as Fury was. All you're scoring is punch output. What about defense? (Fury) Ring generalship? (Fury) Aggression? (Fury) CLEAN landed punches? (Fury) There shouldn't be any mention of "tighten up", "close", etc. No, it was a wide, dominant victory for Tyson Fury and the knockdowns in no way could possibly add any closer of an outcome. Thus why my alternate math was put out to try and give your guy a possible hope - and it didn't work. Why would you need to give any help to Wilder.......When I had him losing anyways? When did I ever claim him winning this fight? The KDs did tighten things up as the fight would have been a very wide decision for Fury if not for them. If you want to give Fury every single round minus the KD rounds? Sure, I guess you can. But you are fooling yourself if you don't think there were some tight rounds in the fight where not much was done where Wilder has a case for. But anyways, no need to continue this when you came up with some total BS that made no sense. You mistakenly thought a fighter gets extra points for KO, when that is not the case. Only thing that can happen is the fighter being dropped losing an additional point.

I said EQUIVALENT rounds. Do you know what that means? It means, if we were talking rounds going by points, regardless of knockdown or straight round wins, you get 10 points for rounds you win. Wilder got two of those. Period. It's not debatable. However, if you understand that you're giving a point for every round won, he got two knockdowns. Two EQUIVALENT rounds. In other words it offsets rounds he lost when you consider point total. 10 rounds minus 2 = 8 (116). 2 rounds plus 2 = 4 (112). This model is used when you're trying to wrap your head around how it's even remotely possible for cats like you to have it close, by treating the losing fighter like a failing school student : give some extra credit even though they got an F to see if it MAYBE raises you to a D, because it's the only possible answer. Here, even extra credit doesn't help Wilder. It simply was not close. Why are you giving extra points to the fighter scoring a KD though? Like stop making it harder than it is. You can't get more than 10 points for a single round. There is nothing "equivalent" of a fighter scoring two KDs equaling winning four rounds. If you had him only winning two rounds, then Fury wins 116-110 end of discussion. I had Fury winning, never said Wilder won. Those KD rounds definitely tighten up the scorecards. When fighters are landing only 5 or 6 punches a round, you will have some close rounds.

and this https://photo.boxingscene.com/uploads/wilder-fury-compubox-punch-stats.jpg neither landed much in that fight, but Wilder got 2 knockdowns You can’t just overall punches To put it into context Fury out landed wilder on 9 of those rounds Wilder landed more on the knockdown rounds and a couple others We all know fury won, heck I bet the average score from experts and media would call it the same without even looking it up

compubox is not accurate but even those stats clearly show fury getting hte better of it, but you just throw them out because they didn't land much? is there a total number of punches that must be landed so compubox kicks in? so if they each landed 50 percent more and fury maintained his same percentile dominance then they would count? its the same thing... It’s true, but I bet you have a hard time finding more than 4 rounds to give to wilder. You know he was getting out boxed for the majority of the fight. Wilder just about pulled it out with a hail mary, but fury beat the count. It can be considered close, but not “it could go either way” close imo. i think Fury outboxed him, just answering the question asked by OP

A Wilder fan once said this to me in a youtube comment.... and i quote (copied and pasted directly) "no fighter gets a draw when he gets kicked down twice in the championship rounds..I guess you forgot about those rules" this is the problem we have. we are arguing with people who don't know sheet about boxing.

and this https://photo.boxingscene.com/uploads/wilder-fury-compubox-punch-stats.jpg neither landed much in that fight, but Wilder got 2 knockdowns It’s true, but I bet you have a hard time finding more than 4 rounds to give to wilder. You know he was getting out boxed for the majority of the fight. Wilder just about pulled it out with a hail mary, but fury beat the count. It can be considered close, but not “it could go either way” close imo.

im arguing with a guy that said "i dunno why you are concerned with other peoples opinions" as he replies to/quotes me on a boxing forum.....so i guess ur right im the idiot because someone who cant understand why were all here isnt someone who deserves my attention in the first place Lol...way to swerve. I meant why are you so concerned with opinions of those you call idiots? you’ve fabricated an entire argument just to combat an imaginary narrative of said idiots.

and this https://photo.boxingscene.com/uploads/wilder-fury-compubox-punch-stats.jpg neither landed much in that fight, but Wilder got 2 knockdowns compubox is not accurate but even those stats clearly show fury getting hte better of it, but you just throw them out because they didn't land much? is there a total number of punches that must be landed so compubox kicks in? so if they each landed 50 percent more and fury maintained his same percentile dominance then they would count? its the same thing...

and this https://photo.boxingscene.com/uploads/wilder-fury-compubox-punch-stats.jpg neither landed much in that fight, but Wilder got 2 knockdowns

probably because of this https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/_RE9ClFI25fS092hhbrnIErB7bg=/0x0:447x266/1200x800/filters:focal(200x65:270x135)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/62609210/Screen_Shot_2018_12_02_at_1.12.03_AM.0.png

Stay with me here. Fury wins 10 rounds. That's 118. Gets dropped in two rounds. That's 116. The EQUIVALENT of four rounds is 112. The actual # of rounds is 2 (110), but you add two for the knockdowns - gets you to 116-112. As EQUIVALENT rounds. The only way you get to 116-110 is if Fury got dropped four times! Stop embarrassing yourself. Why would Wilder get extra points for his two KDs? You can only get 10 maximum points in a round period. So you had it 10 rounds to 2 Fury. If there were no KDs then the score would be 118-110. But since Fury got dropped twice, he loses two points and it becomes 116-110. It's you that needs to "stay with me here."

It’s actually not a solid point at all. Are you saying his stock rose 3 fold because he got a controversial draw in a “close fight” that even wilder fans admit he should have lost? Does that make much more sense than what you’re arguing against? im arguing with a guy that said "i dunno why you are concerned with other peoples opinions" as he replies to/quotes me on a boxing forum.....so i guess ur right im the idiot because someone who cant understand why were all here isnt someone who deserves my attention in the first place

Why is that? Fury clearly won that fight, only a moron could think otherwise. Seems lately there are a lot more people changing their opinion to it being a close fight. Is there an agenda behind it? :lol1: There’s always an agenda behind it. That’s boxing&fans 101.

I know. That's the problem. Because that's ALL Wilder won clearly and you know it. You make no sense. Even if you thought Wilder only won two rounds, the score would be 116-110 NOT 116-112.

its a boxing board....if we werent concerned about others opinions(you seeming to be concerned with mine as well) we wouldnt be here..... my point is simple and obvious...if wilder was obviously beaten and embarrassed, as some claim, his value doesnt triple because of that fight......it was a close fight...i could tell you, as a wilder fan, that i scored the fight for fury and it doesnt matter if i scored it tight.....because thats what it was...a closely contested fight for people to run around here and say the winner was obvious and "clearly" is insanse and idiotic....people beaten obviously and clearly dont see their value triple overnight because of it its a simple and obvious point...but because it goes against aj and the hearniacs you dont wanna see it It’s actually not a solid point at all. Are you saying his stock rose 3 fold because he got a controversial draw in a “close fight” that even wilder fans admit he should have lost? Does that make much more sense than what you’re arguing against?

why are you so concerned with the opinions of posters on a message board? you're basing your whole argument on what gets posted here. wilder didn't lose on paper, he still has the belt, so people thinking fury beat him isn't all that relevant in terms of doing a mega fight for the undisputed hw championship. what hearn offered wilder and what dazn offered are 2 completely separate things...you know this. what point are you trying to make anyway? that wilder convincingly beat fury and everyone knows it, so his value has skyrocketed? or that wilder was worth way more that 12-15mil, so the dazn offer proved wilder was low balled? I know all this stuff probably sounds good to you, but take into consideration that maybe you're not as smart as you think you are. we all fall victim to the dunning-kruger effect...being able to recognize it is something else. :soapbox: its a boxing board....if we werent concerned about others opinions(you seeming to be concerned with mine as well) we wouldnt be here..... my point is simple and obvious...if wilder was obviously beaten and embarrassed, as some claim, his value doesnt triple because of that fight......it was a close fight...i could tell you, as a wilder fan, that i scored the fight for fury and it doesnt matter if i scored it tight.....because thats what it was...a closely contested fight for people to run around here and say the winner was obvious and "clearly" is insanse and idiotic....people beaten obviously and clearly dont see their value triple overnight because of it its a simple and obvious point...but because it goes against aj and the hearniacs you dont wanna see it

Because he didn't.

nope....youre still missing it i did say the 3x increase was proof he was lowballed....and that his value has legit increased but i didnt say he beat fury..not once..never said it..never came close...in fact the point is that the hearniacs are running around insisting that fury indeed embarrassed and easily beat wilder so im asking them, maybe even you in this case, how do those things correlate you have clowns running around here saying fury "clearly beat" wilder.....so how does a guys who has been clearly beaten see his positition increase while being outboxed and "clearly beaten"? and undisputed champ cant be crowned without it yes! you are correct! so why did hearn think widler and his wbc belt was worth 3x less mere months earlier? what changed? the only thing hearniacs claim changed was that wilder was clearly beaten and embarrassed! i actually thought you werent a complete idiot until you just posted...now its clear a simple point is lost on you why are you so concerned with the opinions of posters on a message board? you're basing your whole argument on what gets posted here. wilder didn't lose on paper, he still has the belt, so people thinking fury beat him isn't all that relevant in terms of doing a mega fight for the undisputed hw championship. what hearn offered wilder and what dazn offered are 2 completely separate things...you know this. what point are you trying to make anyway? that wilder convincingly beat fury and everyone knows it, so his value has skyrocketed? or that wilder was worth way more that 12-15mil, so the dazn offer proved wilder was low balled? I know all this stuff probably sounds good to you, but take into consideration that maybe you're not as smart as you think you are. we all fall victim to the dunning-kruger effect...being able to recognize it is something else. :soapbox:

weren't you the guy claiming that the 3x offer increase was proof that wilder was lowballed before? now his value legitimately increased because he really beat fury? I guess it wasn't a low ball after all. fury got jobbed, wilder still has the belt...an undisputed champion can't be crowned without it. nope....youre still missing it i did say the 3x increase was proof he was lowballed....and that his value has legit increased but i didnt say he beat fury..not once..never said it..never came close...in fact the point is that the hearniacs are running around insisting that fury indeed embarrassed and easily beat wilder so im asking them, maybe even you in this case, how do those things correlate you have clowns running around here saying fury "clearly beat" wilder.....so how does a guys who has been clearly beaten see his positition increase while being outboxed and "clearly beaten"? and undisputed champ cant be crowned without it yes! you are correct! so why did hearn think widler and his wbc belt was worth 3x less mere months earlier? what changed? the only thing hearniacs claim changed was that wilder was clearly beaten and embarrassed! i actually thought you werent a complete idiot until you just posted...now its clear a simple point is lost on you

how does a guy get clearly beaten by fury and then turn around the next day and have his value increase 3x to fight AJ? explain that using logic...when have you ever seen that happen? you guys swear he ducked the AJ offer....yet how does one get "embarrassed" by fury and then have his market value increase? are you going to tell me its because he has the wbc belt alone?!?!?! you would say that! I bet that's what youll say!! the wbc belt was worth 12-15 million mere months earlier!!! weren't you the guy claiming that the 3x offer increase was proof that wilder was lowballed before? now his value legitimately increased because he really beat fury? I guess it wasn't a low ball after all. fury got jobbed, wilder still has the belt...an undisputed champion can't be crowned without it.