spence & ortiz; so called "boogeyman" fighters running from smoke

Spence got everybody shook he is the Truth, wtf is u talking about?

How can you be a boogeyman but run from smoke?? both spence and ortiz got they hoe cards pulled this week. Crawfish wants Errol's scalp AJ exposed king kong as a chipmunk Its not a good time to be a boogeyman SHOTS FIRED https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2016/01/15/lilwayne-birdman/15-drive-by.w710.h473.2x.gif It’s a business. If you notice, NO ONE runs from 50 mil. There just waiting for the marinade to to ripen. As far as Ortiz. Too fckn old. How bout the champ fight Tyson? Wonder why he hasn’t. Panties must be on too tight.

Brook coming off a loss isn't an excuse, it's something that actually happened. Don't imagine i wrote something beyond that. And to respond, imo i don't think brook was in control, i still don't get that argument. Spence was pressuring well to me and getting closer to breaking Brook with each passing round. And I'm not sure any version of brook convincingly beats Spence, so don't mistake facts for excuses. Spence was definitely getting pushed back in the 6th 7th round and it looked like Brook was the stronger guy. I don't think there were any signs at all of Spence breaking Brook before the end of the 7th round, to my recollection. I'd need to rewatch. Yes it's true that Brook took an L. It doesn't mean much. He had the chance to give up the IBF title and move up, but decided not to because he felt he was good. So if he felt he was good, then we shouldn't make any excuses for him. Spence beat a legit, big and strong undefeated (at) welterweight champion. In my eyes, that fight proved Spence was a legit champ. Does it mean he's P4P or a great? no. but a legit champ at this stage.

It's a good time to be Andrade 160 boogeyman, undisputed fight on the horizon.

Dont get it twisted. Im not a spence or ortiz "hater" my post history will tell u i was maybe ortiz biggest supporter here and i felt disgusted with how he handled the AJ situation now spence is talking like he takin full credit for the PPV sales vs Mikey when we all know mexican american fans run boxing ..startin to sound like a "bidnessman" when he supposed to be a killa ALL IM SAYIN is you CANNOT be a boogeyman when you're gettin called out being the boogeyman has nothing to do with KO power because at one time Winky Wright was a real boogeyman in boxing get rid of that label is all im saying

Brook coming off a loss isn't an excuse, it's something that actually happened. Don't imagine i wrote something beyond that. And to respond, imo i don't think brook was in control, i still don't get that argument. Spence was pressuring well to me and getting closer to breaking Brook with each passing round. And I'm not sure any version of brook convincingly beats Spence, so don't mistake facts for excuses. a tip top, prime, kell brook couldnt beat an HIV ridden version of spence that had 2 t cells....

Even from a selfish point of view, Bob needs the fight sooner rather than later. The last thing he needs Spence bringing 3 belts to the table. any unbiased idiot can tell that arum needs this thing more than haymom(no offense meant towards you) but bob knows its not going to happen in the next year or two...i almost wish al would call his bluff....cause the only reason bob is talking is because he needs the belief that spence is "ducking" to sell crawfords bum fights coming up

I'm probably the biggest Kell Brook fan on this forum. These are just excuses. Brook had a long time to recover, it was a legit win where Spence was pushed to the limit, recovered and stopped Brook. Probably the best win out of the current WW crop. Brook coming off a loss isn't an excuse, it's something that actually happened. Don't imagine i wrote something beyond that. And to respond, imo i don't think brook was in control, i still don't get that argument. Spence was pressuring well to me and getting closer to breaking Brook with each passing round. And I'm not sure any version of brook convincingly beats Spence, so don't mistake facts for excuses.

point flew over your head bobs first round of negotiations with pac/floyd were a ruse....he had the clottey fight in his pocket the whole time.....he said publicly he would do 50/50 but still found a way to kill the fight with the testing.....because he prefered to milk pac with in house fights till he was ready to cash him out..... bob said 50/50 for pac may but he reality is he knew he had a way to kill it with his "needles" excuses and all of that same here...hes saying all this good stuff people wanna hear...but if al told him today "lets do this" he would find some way to back away...but he knows he wont have to because haymon prob wont even look at him knowing all the fights he can make at WW without bob bob knows its not gonna happen now...which is why hes yapping Even from a selfish point of view, Bob needs the fight sooner rather than later. The last thing he needs Spence bringing 3 belts to the table.

How can you be a boogeyman but run from smoke?? both spence and ortiz got they hoe cards pulled this week. Crawfish wants Errol's scalp AJ exposed king kong as a chipmunk Its not a good time to be a boogeyman SHOTS FIRED https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2016/01/15/lilwayne-birdman/15-drive-by.w710.h473.2x.gif You are a very confused fight fan who doesn't know what you are talking about and you are spouting pure BS. Ortiz was exposed because he turned down a more than fair 7 million dollar offer to fight AJ and clearly doesn't want the fight. That has nothing to do with Spence who is the best champion welterweight. Spence has tried to get fights with Thurman, Porter, Pacquiao and Thurman and they all refused so he has been avoided and the boogeyman title is justified. It's not a bad time for Spence at all. He just made a fortune crushing Mikey and his fight made tons more money than Crawford's fight. He will probably fight Porter next and become a two belt champion. Unlike Ortiz Spence never turned down a fair money offer to fight Crawford because no offer to fight Crawford has ever been on the table. If Spence is ever offered what he is worth to fight Crawford he will fight him and he will beat him. Unlike Ortiz he isn't running from any Crawford smoke. Crawford makes noise in the media calling out Spence and that means nothing. Ortiz also called out AJ but when the actual fight was available to him he chickened out. You can't name an offer to Spence to fight Crawford that Spence turned down because there has never been one. Just a bunch of BS media talk from Arum and Crawford but no money offer to fight so maybe they don't want that smoke. I think Crawford and Spence are willing to fight each other but boxers don't make the big fights these days. Promoters and networks must come together to make the Crawford vs Spence fight we all want to see.

dog....i dont put people on ignore...but dont talk to me again...cause im ignoring you...not once have i brought race into this...im a white male... bob arum is and always has been a dirty snake....hes earned his reputation....just like youve earned yours now as someone i will never take seriously now **** the **** off 4/23 post 24 you accuse Arum of racism and that’s just the first post between you and I that I checked .What the fu$k does white have anything to do with being an idiot

No smoke team: Spence, Ortiz and Beyonce. https://i.postimg.cc/L8G7CNT6/Beyonce.jpg

Thats his biggest win. Brook was damaged goods but still a good win. That win alone gives him a better resume than Crawford. He was mandatory, he didn't have a real argument on location. I give him props for the win, but don't overrate it. We know Brook dropped weight and came off a good beating from a big man. I'm probably the biggest Kell Brook fan on this forum. These are just excuses. Brook had a long time to recover, it was a legit win where Spence was pushed to the limit, recovered and stopped Brook. Probably the best win out of the current WW crop.

dog....i dont put people on ignore...but dont talk to me again...cause im ignoring you...not once have i brought race into this...im a white male... bob arum is and always has been a dirty snake....hes earned his reputation....just like youve earned yours now as someone i will never take seriously now **** the **** offPut me on ignore you fuc&ing piece of **** crybaby promoter groupie

Thats his biggest win. Brook was damaged goods but still a good win. That win alone gives him a better resume than Crawford. That’s a big fuc&ing disparity in resumes one fighter better.Both Spence and Bud have the two weak resumes when you compare porter Thurman and Garcia.

The only way Spence fights him is if Bud keeps calling him out especially to his face and soon media and people doing interviews constantly ask why he won’t fight Crawford he might get shamed into fighting him.Im waiting for the interview where he states with a tear in his eyes I’m not fighting him because his promoter has been insensitive to my Promoters feeling and needs.

point flew over your head bobs first round of negotiations with pac/floyd were a ruse....he had the clottey fight in his pocket the whole time.....he said publicly he would do 50/50 but still found a way to kill the fight with the testing.....because he prefered to milk pac with in house fights till he was ready to cash him out..... bob said 50/50 for pac may but he reality is he knew he had a way to kill it with his "needles" excuses and all of that same here...hes saying all this good stuff people wanna hear...but if al told him today "lets do this" he would find some way to back away...but he knows he wont have to because haymon prob wont even look at him knowing all the fights he can make at WW without bob bob knows its not gonna happen now...which is why hes yapping I agree with that. Pac never talked about being scared of needles. Arum came with that bs. Than came the stadium etc etc. Arum f#cked it up. I highly doubt Pac or Floyd were ducking each other. Why would they? Biggest money fight to be made... Arum just dont give a f#ck to be honest. He does what he wants. BUT, if Spence wants the fight they should call his bluff. Thats the fight to be made right now. S#cks for us boxing fans that politics prevent those fights. Lucky UFC fans get the best fighting the best ALWAYS. Us we got to let it marinate for years....

Can you or Motor Sh$Tty ever discuss a fight without bringing Promoter hate or race up.Wait till he goes to 54 and never fights Crawford then we will see what you have to say......Say no to Promoter groupies dog....i dont put people on ignore...but dont talk to me again...cause im ignoring you...not once have i brought race into this...im a white male... bob arum is and always has been a dirty snake....hes earned his reputation....just like youve earned yours now as someone i will never take seriously now **** the **** off

He beat Kell Brook in Sheffield. :thinking: That's a fight none of the other welterweights wanted. He was mandatory, he didn't have a real argument on location. I give him props for the win, but don't overrate it. We know Brook dropped weight and came off a good beating from a big man.

He beat Kell Brook in Sheffield. :thinking: That's a fight none of the other welterweights wanted. Thats his biggest win. Brook was damaged goods but still a good win. That win alone gives him a better resume than Crawford.