Spence vs Porter Close to Being Finalized, Will Not be on PPV?

He just fought in a stadium. I was at the fight and I am fairly sure it was in a stadium. Where the Cowboys play. yeah, he fought mikey, but spence by him self isnt ready yet... he will not fight porter in a stadium nor on ppv for a reason...

If u think showtime is putting a 20 mil license fee that’s some powerful meth u are smoking. With 10-12 shows a year and most tripleheaders and a 60 mil budget just do the math. They can’t even pay more than 5 mil PER SHO on average. Haymon is digging into his own pocket but remember his pockets are lined with that Waddell and Reed investment money. It’s not coming out of his personal stash. It’s a massive overpay but one he had to do to keep wilder from going to DAZN. Rick glazer said khan Crawford was 179k ppvs and hes always on the Low end. Not sure why u are saying it did closer to 100k than 150k. No one is saying that. Glad you are finally agreeing that Spence on his own isn’t a ppv draw and that a fight vs Porter would flop and that’s why it’s not on ppv. Too bad he doesn’t have a Mexican oponente like money who probably did 200-250k of those buys himself. LOL, when did I say SHO is putting up a 20 million license fee? I said you are crazy if you think Haymon is putting 13-15M of his own money. SHO will have to "show" the money in this case. They know what the competing offers were. Hahahahahahaha at you using Glazer as your source. GTFO, that is a guy that admitted he gauges PPV interest by how many of his facebook friends buy the fight. Guys like Pugmire/Iole/Coppinger/Idec are the ones that report the numbers. Don't try to say Crawford/Khan did 200k buys and then try to say Wilder/Fury did 291k buys. If you want to say Wilder/Fury did 291k buys, then use 100k number that Hearn keeps throwing out in that case. Huh? I said Spence/Porter would do more than Crawford/Khan which you admitted. I said Spence will continue getting fights where his value will only increase and his A-side status will only get more clear. I said Spence/Garcia were on equal star level going into that fight and Spence emerged as the bigger star. Don't worry about not having a Mexican opponent, he will do just fine on PPV against the winner of Pacquiao/Thurman. In the mean time Crawford will be fighting exactly who on PPV? Especially after this PPV bombed, he's not getting back on anytime soon unless Al lends Bob one of his WWs and you know that. I mean I guess Arum can try to put Crawford vs Ramirez on PPV?

It's amazing how most in this thread is happy Spence isn't on ppv, rather than being appreciative of getting a good fight for free.....only boxing fans smh hilarious aint it

Good now all I want to see is VADA testing for this

LOL, about 50k more? So funny how YOU round Crawford/Khan to 200k. I guess if you want to do that, we can round Spence/Garcia to 400k right? Since all reports were it did around 350-400k, and then Iole said 360k while Coppinger said it could reach 380-400k. So you think Spence/Porter does 300k? Okay cool, so then that does damn near double Crawford/Khan. Either way, you agree that fight does better numbers. Oh, so now the real number for Wilder/Fury was 291k eh? Okay, then the real number for Crawford/Khan was then closer to 100k opposed to 150k? I mean you got Hearn telling everyone at fights that fight did 100k. If the purses for Wilder/Breazeale are going to be around 20M, no way is SHO only paying 5-7M of that. No way in hell is that the case. Are you kidding? It was on SHO to to get this fight on their network after seeing what ESPN and DAZN offered Wilder for Breazeale. Finkel said they were happy enough with SHO's offer and Arum mentioned SHO matched their offer for that fight. You think Haymon is going to just spend 13-15M out of his own money for that fight? GTFO, if that was the case he would have just put it on PPV. Spence's guarantee according to Idec was 9M while Garcia's was 8.5M. Spence likely walked away with 10 or so million for that fight. Of course he's not getting that much for Porter. Even if it was on PPV he would have received a smaller guarantee. But is it crazy to think SHO will put say a 10-12M license fee for that fight? No, that's possible since it's not like they have had many big money cards thus far. Spence vs Thurman if he beats Pacquiao absolutely sells on PPV. It goes without saying Spence sells against Pacquiao. You admitted he would sell more PPVs vs Porter than Crawford did against Khan...And after Crawford did such terrible numbers against Khan, TR isn't putting him on PPV anytime soon. So he will be fighting on ESPN+ for the next two or three fights while Spence will get in at least one more PPV, if not two more during that stretch. Spence himself said why would I split 50/50 with Crawford when I doubled his PPV buys? Do you think Arum doesn't know that? There is a reason he asked for 50/50 right off the bat knowing damn well his fighter doesn't have a case for that. The split as time goes on isn't going to all of a sudden get closer. Spence is going to separate his name and star value from Crawford. If u think showtime is putting a 20 mil license fee that’s some powerful meth u are smoking. With 10-12 shows a year and most tripleheaders and a 60 mil budget just do the math. They can’t even pay more than 5 mil PER SHO on average. Haymon is digging into his own pocket but remember his pockets are lined with that Waddell and Reed investment money. It’s not coming out of his personal stash. It’s a massive overpay but one he had to do to keep wilder from going to DAZN. Rick glazer said khan Crawford was 179k ppvs and hes always on the Low end. Not sure why u are saying it did closer to 100k than 150k. No one is saying that. Glad you are finally agreeing that Spence on his own isn’t a ppv draw and that a fight vs Porter would flop and that’s why it’s not on ppv. Too bad he doesn’t have a Mexican oponente like money who probably did 200-250k of those buys himself.

#1 Spence Porter doing 250k is about 50k more than Crawford-Khan lol. Interesting way you rounded that and I would be more inclined to think it does closer to 300k than 250k. You said Espinoza said if fights do 250k-300k buys they aren’t worthy of ppv well the real Wilder-Fury number is 291k and Mikey vs Spence didn’t beat that threshold by a lot either lol. The reason Spence-Porter wouldn’t be in ppv isn’t to build him up. Its because they don’t think it’s big enough and they don’t want Spence to flop on ppv. Just like the don’t want wilder-Breazeale to flop. There isn’t enough money on fox or showtime for either fight. Haymon is taking money out of his own pocket to finance these fights at a loss. It isn’t sustainable. It’s Waddell and Reed money. Wilder Breazeale has close to a combined $20 million in purses. You know showtime isn’t paying more than 5-7 mil for that fight and that’s a lot for a fight that will have 1-.2-1.4 mil viewers. The rest is coming from haymon’s investor money. That was to keep wilder from going to DAZN. Spence isn’t going to take a big pay cut from 6-8 mil for garcia to face a real welterweight in porter in a unification. You think porter is taking that fight for less than 4 mil? I sure don’t. Haymon will be making the fight at a loss because when the time comes to make Crawford Spence they can pint to Crawford doing 200k buys vs khan but won’t want the counter argument to be yeah but Spence only did 200k Van porter. That is all this is. It’s about power and leverage. And without a strong latino opponent or Pacquiao, Spence ain’t selling ppvs. Just facts. LOL, about 50k more? So funny how YOU round Crawford/Khan to 200k. I guess if you want to do that, we can round Spence/Garcia to 400k right? Since all reports were it did around 350-400k, and then Iole said 360k while Coppinger said it could reach 380-400k. So you think Spence/Porter does 300k? Okay cool, so then that does damn near double Crawford/Khan. Either way, you agree that fight does better numbers. Oh, so now the real number for Wilder/Fury was 291k eh? Okay, then the real number for Crawford/Khan was then closer to 100k opposed to 150k? I mean you got Hearn telling everyone at fights that fight did 100k. If the purses for Wilder/Breazeale are going to be around 20M, no way is SHO only paying 5-7M of that. No way in hell is that the case. Are you kidding? It was on SHO to to get this fight on their network after seeing what ESPN and DAZN offered Wilder for Breazeale. Finkel said they were happy enough with SHO's offer and Arum mentioned SHO matched their offer for that fight. You think Haymon is going to just spend 13-15M out of his own money for that fight? GTFO, if that was the case he would have just put it on PPV. Spence's guarantee according to Idec was 9M while Garcia's was 8.5M. Spence likely walked away with 10 or so million for that fight. Of course he's not getting that much for Porter. Even if it was on PPV he would have received a smaller guarantee. But is it crazy to think SHO will put say a 10-12M license fee for that fight? No, that's possible since it's not like they have had many big money cards thus far. Spence vs Thurman if he beats Pacquiao absolutely sells on PPV. It goes without saying Spence sells against Pacquiao. You admitted he would sell more PPVs vs Porter than Crawford did against Khan...And after Crawford did such terrible numbers against Khan, TR isn't putting him on PPV anytime soon. So he will be fighting on ESPN+ for the next two or three fights while Spence will get in at least one more PPV, if not two more during that stretch. Spence himself said why would I split 50/50 with Crawford when I doubled his PPV buys? Do you think Arum doesn't know that? There is a reason he asked for 50/50 right off the bat knowing damn well his fighter doesn't have a case for that. The split as time goes on isn't going to all of a sudden get closer. Spence is going to separate his name and star value from Crawford.

thats a good idea. would be risky to put it on ppv. spence isnt at the point where he can carry one by himself. and porter isnt ppv material. if it was fox ppv, they could probably pull off another 300K. but why risk it? im sure they're doing their homework and figuring that out and maybe they see it might not hit that mark. but i like the unification regardless. hopefully its on regular fox.

They’re not going back to Dallas because the crowd wasn’t there for him. You could hear crickets when Spence made his ring entrance. I felt bad for him. Spence came out dressed as Captain Mexico with not a Mexican holiday in sight. We all know who was the main draw in that fight including Spence. Crawford would have never done that **** he reps his own.

If they wanted to expose him to a larger audience for free his fight vs Mikey would have been on fox. It’s because they know it won’t sell very well True story.

If they wanted to expose him to a larger audience for free his fight vs Mikey would have been on fox. It’s because they know it won’t sell very well That too. I wouldn't buy it.

If it does around 250k, then it would have done more than Crawford/Khan....By damn near 100k. There is nothing from this point on until the two fight that will hurt Spence's leverage minus catching an actual loss or looking super mediocre. But even looking mediocre won't if he just beats the top opponents, that will be bigger names than Crawford's opponents. After Crawford/Khan completely tanked, Bob can't put him on PPV against anyone put Spence or any other PBC fighter. Once Spence gets the winner of Thurman/Pac on PPV, it will obviously be a complete wrap. But I'm pretty damn confident Spence/Porter does more than 150k buys, and quite a bit more. The FOX promotion behind the PPVs is a whole another beast compared to SHO or especially from what we saw with ESPN. He's not creating no illusion with me, I completely understand what is happening. It is YOU that is not understanding. You are trying to pinpoint the PPV success mainly to Garcia when he's shown nothing to put himself above Spence in terms of star level. In fact, I said they were pretty much equal stars heading into the fight and Spence emerged as the bigger star after the fight. And every PBC PPV put out has done 300k+. Espinoza specifically said if a PPV does not do more than 250-300k buys, then it is not worth putting it on PPV. There is obviously a chance Spence/Porter won't do more than 300k buys, so if they can fund it on SHO or FOX, what is the problem? And of course, same applies for Wilder/Breazeale. Broner hasn't done a million on SHO for a while. He is certainly #2 behind Wilder right now, but if Spence reaches the million mark, he would do more than Broner against Mikey or Vargas or Granados etc.#1 Spence Porter doing 250k is about 50k more than Crawford-Khan lol. Interesting way you rounded that and I would be more inclined to think it does closer to 300k than 250k. You said Espinoza said if fights do 250k-300k buys they aren’t worthy of ppv well the real Wilder-Fury number is 291k and Mikey vs Spence didn’t beat that threshold by a lot either lol. The reason Spence-Porter wouldn’t be in ppv isn’t to build him up. Its because they don’t think it’s big enough and they don’t want Spence to flop on ppv. Just like the don’t want wilder-Breazeale to flop. There isn’t enough money on fox or showtime for either fight. Haymon is taking money out of his own pocket to finance these fights at a loss. It isn’t sustainable. It’s Waddell and Reed money. Wilder Breazeale has close to a combined $20 million in purses. You know showtime isn’t paying more than 5-7 mil for that fight and that’s a lot for a fight that will have 1-.2-1.4 mil viewers. The rest is coming from haymon’s investor money. That was to keep wilder from going to DAZN. Spence isn’t going to take a big pay cut from 6-8 mil for garcia to face a real welterweight in porter in a unification. You think porter is taking that fight for less than 4 mil? I sure don’t. Haymon will be making the fight at a loss because when the time comes to make Crawford Spence they can pint to Crawford doing 200k buys vs khan but won’t want the counter argument to be yeah but Spence only did 200k Van porter. That is all this is. It’s about power and leverage. And without a strong latino opponent or Pacquiao, Spence ain’t selling ppvs. Just facts.

Or maybe they wanna expose him to a larger audience for free. I would've liked it better if it were against Danny Garcia on Fox. I hope we never have any more PPVs. If they wanted to expose him to a larger audience for free his fight vs Mikey would have been on fox. It’s because they know it won’t sell very well

thats what I said. Spence porter is right around Crawford Khan despite being on paper a more competitive fight. Spence Porter is a. 200-250k ppv at best. But Haymon knows that and doesn’t want Spence to do those low numbers knowing he isn’t really a big star or Ppv fighter at least yet. That will lose leverage for a potential Crawford fight. That’s why he is dipping into his own pockets losing several million for wilder Breazeale to be in showtime. If it was ppv and did 80k buys it ruins his bargaining power with Fury and AJ. Haymon is just creating an illusion for people like u who think he’s a big star and sold the ppvs vs Mikey when the fact that a bigger unification fight vs porter likely won’t be on ppv tells u the exact opposite. As for showtime doing a million views would put him on or with Broner. Still behind wilder who’s more like 1.2-1.4 mil If it does around 250k, then it would have done more than Crawford/Khan....By damn near 100k. There is nothing from this point on until the two fight that will hurt Spence's leverage minus catching an actual loss or looking super mediocre. But even looking mediocre won't if he just beats the top opponents, that will be bigger names than Crawford's opponents. After Crawford/Khan completely tanked, Bob can't put him on PPV against anyone put Spence or any other PBC fighter. Once Spence gets the winner of Thurman/Pac on PPV, it will obviously be a complete wrap. But I'm pretty damn confident Spence/Porter does more than 150k buys, and quite a bit more. The FOX promotion behind the PPVs is a whole another beast compared to SHO or especially from what we saw with ESPN. He's not creating no illusion with me, I completely understand what is happening. It is YOU that is not understanding. You are trying to pinpoint the PPV success mainly to Garcia when he's shown nothing to put himself above Spence in terms of star level. In fact, I said they were pretty much equal stars heading into the fight and Spence emerged as the bigger star after the fight. And every PBC PPV put out has done 300k+. Espinoza specifically said if a PPV does not do more than 250-300k buys, then it is not worth putting it on PPV. There is obviously a chance Spence/Porter won't do more than 300k buys, so if they can fund it on SHO or FOX, what is the problem? And of course, same applies for Wilder/Breazeale. Broner hasn't done a million on SHO for a while. He is certainly #2 behind Wilder right now, but if Spence reaches the million mark, he would do more than Broner against Mikey or Vargas or Granados etc.

Should sell more than 360k buys? No, that's not how it works. Spence did become a bigger star than Mikey after the fight, that much is true. And if Spence/Porter does a million on SHO, then that puts him on par with Wilder. Would raise his views from like 650-700k to a million. Does Spence vs Porter do more buys than Crawford vs Khan?thats what I said. Spence porter is right around Crawford Khan despite being on paper a more competitive fight. Spence Porter is a. 200-250k ppv at best. But Haymon knows that and doesn’t want Spence to do those low numbers knowing he isn’t really a big star or Ppv fighter at least yet. That will lose leverage for a potential Crawford fight. That’s why he is dipping into his own pockets losing several million for wilder Breazeale to be in showtime. If it was ppv and did 80k buys it ruins his bargaining power with Fury and AJ. Haymon is just creating an illusion for people like u who think he’s a big star and sold the ppvs vs Mikey when the fact that a bigger unification fight vs porter likely won’t be on ppv tells u the exact opposite. As for showtime doing a million views would put him on or with Broner. Still behind wilder who’s more like 1.2-1.4 mil

Some of you are so slow I swear,this has nothing to do with who's a ppv star there ain't no damn ppv stars anymore,it's just smart busniess,pbc was supposed to be free boxing so if you have a ppv every fight people will stop supporting,you have a ppv then give the fans a free good fight and they will be more willing to pay for the next ppv,Spence and Garcia sold the fight,they fanbases are about equal and they do about the same ratings on tv

I thought Spence was an A side ppv star. Now without Garcia's mexican fanbase he is back on regular tv? Or maybe they wanna expose him to a larger audience for free. I would've liked it better if it were against Danny Garcia on Fox. I hope we never have any more PPVs.

It's amazing how most in this thread is happy Spence isn't on ppv, rather than being appreciative of getting a good fight for free.....only boxing fans smh Lol right! They always find something to complain and argue about and most of the time it’s stuff that’s irrelevant

Streaming is so clean nowadays bruh. I’ll have to try it out again. I always run into some type of issue I even upgraded my internet to 80mbps. So you never experience any lagging?

no Mikey lost the fight so he shouldn’t be back on ppv. PBC are protecting Spence from being exposed. Fox could have just paid for Spence vs Mikey to be on fox. You said spence is a bigger star now so he should sell more ppvs but Haymon knows vs Porter would sell around the same as Crawford khan. With 50k buys. He doesn’t want their numbers to be that close. I wonder if Spence vs porter on showtime would do 1 million views. Should sell more than 360k buys? No, that's not how it works. Spence did become a bigger star than Mikey after the fight, that much is true. And if Spence/Porter does a million on SHO, then that puts him on par with Wilder. Would raise his views from like 650-700k to a million. Does Spence vs Porter do more buys than Crawford vs Khan?

With equal promotion Mikey vs Danny would do better on PPV than Spence vs Porter. Thats with the latter being a unification too. That's an interesting fair comparison, but I'd go with Spence/Porter doing more. Spence vs Garcia probably does more than Spence vs Porter though.