Boxing Trade-Would You Make It

Thats a legit concern, but Bud is already a highly paid guy who's got 2 PPV's to his name now, granted they both bombed or it sounds like Khan will be underwhelming at best, & has some drawing ability that will improve as he's in bigger fights all of which are on the PBC side. To a certain degree in a sexy division like 147 if you make the big fights people will come. So through winning fights on the PBC side, & I believe he beats most PBC guys, it'll enhance his popularity & drawing ability I feel. And I mean look at who we're trading? Who's the PPV guy on that side who's even bombing a PPV anytime soon? I don't see Tank having a 200k PPV anytime soon. I'm not sure I see a PPV fight in his foreseeable future despite some talk of making him into a PPV draw. So Bud's limitations are legit, but his upside is there & combined on the other side idk that we got competition with PPV & thats where the money is. I was actually thinking more like TR needs to get more value for Bud not less value like you're saying. But the potential upside of Tank that COULD become reality if he gets his sh^t together is of value. Underselling Browne??? Didn't see that coming. Thought you were more hyped on Tank cuz I get that. I think Browne isn't unskilled by any means. He's a good fighter. He's gotten pretty far in the game already. But I just have a really tough time seeing him doing well vs some of these long standing amateurs who came into pro boxing looking polished & who adapted quickly to the pros. Idk that Browne beats any of these guys like Beterbiev, The Nail or Bivol or even Kov although at Kov's age who knows. Is there really much upside in being the #5 to #8 175lber in the world? Idk. And idk that he's really sellable with all that stuff you bring up. He gots that weirdo multiple domestic abuse thing going on with the ex or w/e that keeps popping up in the news every 6 months it feels like. I think there could be some low or moderate risk on him going south on some out of the ring sh^t. Could he end up being the guy at 175? Sh^t maybe. I definitely wouldn't bet on it doe. Not sure what you mean here. Like you mean as PBC you would gamble on Tank & Browne getting someplace without the quality opponents TR has & wouldn't care about acquiring Bud since your loaded at 147? I mean okay. But I'm just thinking in regards to where the action is. Tank & Browne find their level on the TR side cuz PBC has nothing for them like TR gots for them. And same with Bud. Nothing for him on the TR side, but loads on the PBC side. And obviously for TR & PBC it enhances what they already got. Which is why you trade in the first place to enhance what you already got & get rid of what you can't do much with. Or to get rid of your excesses to cuz I'd find a way to ditch Danny I think. He comes up short vs the best guys. If I don't trade for Bud I think I trade Garcia to TR so they got an opponent for Bud & maybe grab a couple prospects or something. I think I get the gist of what you're saying, but the aim is wrong, imo; trades are a selfish proposition, and I don't foresee Haymon or Arum, or anyone for that matter, giving up anything to help a promoter because you have extra. I don't know if you ever played Madden, but everyone is basically trying to play Franchise Mode and get a 90+ rated player at every position, and if you have multiple 90+ players at a spot, you hoard them on your roster until the salary cap tells you different. Shane Mosley beating Oscar De La Hoya didn't make Mosley a bigger star; whether he wins or not, simply winning fights isn't going to overcome the superstar issues. Tank is probably the biggest puncher in the sport 135lbs and below and one of the best finishers 135lbs down too; match him however you want, assuming he keeps out of trouble, and you can see the superstar path if he keeps winning. Marcus Browne definitely needs to be good enough to pick off one of these belts at 175lb, but if he does, there's enough story and ability to turn him into something in New York. This may be hyperbole (I think Errol and Danny both handle Crawford, and doubt that Crawford has enough firepower to keep Porter off of him, but that's my opinion) but Crawford could beat Porter, Thurman, Spence, Pacquiao, and Danny Garcia, hold all the belts at 147, and I doubt the fans would really give a ****. He'd be Marvelous Hagler; a great fighter, but a bankable superstar he would not be. Giving up 'maybes' for a 'meh' doesn't make sense to me.

He's either the 1st or 2nd best guy in probably the 1st or 2nd most popular division & can have huge fights in his prime vs the likes of Manny, Thurman, Spence & Porter to potentially be the biggest name in the game at the end of that journey if he wins, but more likely some decent 300k-500k ppv draw who people have a favorable opinion of to highly respect cuz he did solid to great vs the 4 peers he has in the division. And on the other side: I love Jack, but he's not going anywhere very far from here out. He does still have some caliber of name value doe. Browne is better than many given him credit for but he's a also ran-ish guy vs the tip top guys at 175 at the end of the day I feel like. Tank is talented but a lil guy who's not got a ceiling in any division with much mainstream attention for him to ever get THAT big in boxing. Plus he's moderate to high risk to go south at some point for out of the ring dumb sh^t so he could burn TR on the deal ultimately cuz he's the main value of the trade. I think its a solid trade with value for both sides. I'm not arguing talent here, though; I'm simply making the money point here; 1) can you ever envision Terence Crawford selling out any venue at $1000-$50 and 2)can Crawford draw anything on PPV as the feature fighter. Pacquiao, Spence Jr, Danny Garcia, and maybe Keith Thurman, of the current crop, all have that potential, to me anyway; Crawford and Shawn Porter, not so much. Jack is finishing up, the risk/reward on Gervonta Davis is definitely real, but I think you're undercounting Marcus Browne in a big way (he needs to fight his way to a belt and hang on to it, but he's a tall/long guy, former US Olympian, born and raised in a part of NYC still looking for heroes, while also having that "Cops and Kids Teddy Atlas" feel good story). 10 out of 10 times, I take the two lotto tickets (Davis, Browne) and roll the dice, especially when I have Spence, Danny Garcia, and Thurman.

Or maybe these 2 cacksuckers can just find a way to work together instead

Tank has a potential to be as much of a Star - You see in Crawford. For me, I'll make the trade Crawford for Davis. Davis needs to be managed well and has many years ahead of him, while Crawford doesn't have that much ahead. I also believe that Tank will make it bigger than Crawford when he get to that stage if his career

I think you hit the nail on the head of the main trade I'd make. Tank, Marcus Browne, Badou Jack & a fighter to be named later (PBC side) for Bud (TR side). Can make Tank vs Loma & Teofimo on the TR side, Browne & Jack make some decent to good 175 fights over there + some misc. fights with the guy that gets decided upon later or you just grab prospect you can grow like Efe maybe & you can make a bunch of fun high level fights with Bud on the PBC side. Maybe trade Mall (PBC side) for Whyte (Matchroom side). Mall is the missing guy for Matchroom at 160 & Whyte makes PBC's HW roster a lil sexier & you can make fights with Wilder, Breazeale & Ortiz for sure that should hold some solid appeal. Lol. Bud isn't worth anywhere near that.

Oh I got some trades for you. Crawford, Horn and Adames to PBC for Marcus Browne, GRJ, Tank Davis, Mario Barrios, Robert Easter and King Tug Bivol and Scott Quigg to TR for Ancajas, Rob Brant, Navarrete and Ito Khan, Brook, Whyte and Jessie Vargas to PBC for Mall Charlo, LSC, Barthelemy, Brandon Figueroa and Mares

I think Haney will be excellent but I'm not sold he'll be as popular as Crawford or as good as him. I'd be taking a huge risk there and I wouldn't take Davis because I don't think the kid wants the tough fights like Lomachenko and I don't think he's headed down the right path anyway. I think his potential is fairly minimal so I'd need something much sweeter alongside Haney to tempt me somewhat.

Pretend you are Bob Arum or Al Haymon. You are presented with the following trade offer: Devin Haney and Gervonta Davis for Terrance Crawford The trade IMO makes things MUCH better for us as fans. Gives us potentially great fights on both sides. If I'm Haymon I have to make this trade. If I'm Bob, I don't think I would. What would you do? It all depends on what you think the parties could be worth. Terence Crawford is a good tighter who is already 31 and isn't much of a draw or personality in his own right; Davis and Haney are both really good prospects/contenders who could turn out to be superstars in the next 3-4 years if everything breaks right. Risk reward on both sides, tbh. If you're Haymon, do you give up two possible stars to get Terence Crawford (a good fighter at about the potential star level of Shawn Porter, who you can still keep mixed in with good fights under the possible superstars in Errol, Danny, and maybe still Keith)? Possibly. If you're Top Rank, do you give up a blue chip fighter to roll the dice on two fighters who you can throw into your tub and end up with a star in 3 years (Haney, Lomachenko, Lopez, Davis walk into a box-off, and Lopez or Haney end up clearing the field; Haney's instinct to control his own business likely puts Lopez forward as the hope to clear out)? Possibly.

Both kids are unproven at the highest level where it counts so I wouldn't let someone like the best P4P fighter in the world just go in trade for these guys.

Ok. I would do if I was Haymon because you can make the most wanted fight in the sport other than WIlder/AJ and you can continue to make big fights at WW for the next 2-4 years. If I'm Arum I am worried that Haney and Tank maybe don't become as big as Crawford. I’d trade for Crawford if I was Haymon I’d just try to offer other fighters besides Tank.

I wouldn’t make that trade at all Crawford is over 30. Haney and Davis are both young undefeated with a nice following. Both have the potential to be bigger than Crawford in terms of popularity and selling tickets. Haymon should just wait until TC leaves and sign him just like the other 15 fighters who left Bob. Ok. I would do if I was Haymon because you can make the most wanted fight in the sport other than WIlder/AJ and you can continue to make big fights at WW for the next 2-4 years. If I'm Arum I am worried that Haney and Tank maybe don't become as big as Crawford.

I think you hit the nail on the head of the main trade I'd make. Tank, Marcus Browne, Badou Jack & a fighter to be named later (PBC side) for Bud (TR side). Can make Tank vs Loma & Teofimo on the TR side, Browne & Jack make some decent to good 175 fights over there + some misc. fights with the guy that gets decided upon later or you just grab prospect you can grow like Efe maybe & you can make a bunch of fun high level fights with Bud on the PBC side. Maybe trade Mall (PBC side) for Whyte (Matchroom side). Mall is the missing guy for Matchroom at 160 & Whyte makes PBC's HW roster a lil sexier & you can make fights with Wilder, Breazeale & Ortiz for sure that should hold some solid appeal. ok those are some good moves.

I wouldn’t make that trade at all Crawford is over 30. Haney and Davis are both young undefeated with a nice following. Both have the potential to be bigger than Crawford in terms of popularity and selling tickets. Haymon should just wait until TC leaves and sign him just like the other 15 fighters who left Bob.

I didn't see where it was finalized yet. I must've missed that. Well you sir have KTFO of the thread LOL. Well, you may be right it's not finalized but either way he's not with Haymon. I know Haney has been posting on social media as if a DAZN deal is done.

why would arum want davis or haney? them guys are nothing special. even tanks own promoters dont trust him to fight anyone with a pulse. As I said If I'm Arum I wouldn't make that trade. My reasons though are much different than yours.

Haney is with Matchroom and DAZN. Best is for one fight, Crawford for Mikey. I didn't see where it was finalized yet. I must've missed that. Well you sir have KTFO of the thread LOL.

Pretend you are Bob Arum or Al Haymon. You are presented with the following trade offer: Devin Haney and Gervonta Davis for Terrance Crawford The trade IMO makes things MUCH better for us as fans. Gives us potentially great fights on both sides. If I'm Haymon I have to make this trade. If I'm Bob, I don't think I would. What would you do? Haney is with Matchroom and DAZN. Best is for one fight, Crawford for Mikey.