Predicting the downfall of loma

downfall, almost all fighters have a downfall, some get lucky and get home protection their entire careers and some get matched perfectly but most fall at some point, its just a matter of time

It would benefit the development of Lopez as a fighter to get in with Lomachenko now, win or lose. If he wins his confidence shoots through the roof. If he loses then his boxing IQ gets a free lesson and an upgrade at a very young age. Look how good Canelo got after losing to Floyd. If the kid wants it then the promoter shouldn't get in the way. Not so sure about that. Putting on 3 lbs and fighting at Caneloweight had something to do with his improvement also. What he gained mostly from that fight was learning how critical a few pounds are at this level. From that fight he learned to insist on weight working for him instead of against him. Only fight Canelo has not been the A-side and giving into that weight demand cost him. That said, fighters like Canelo, and Loma for that matter, are extremely confident in their abilities and are mentally very tough. One bad loss isn't going to derail them. Maybe Lopez is cut from that same cloth but most are not. One bad loss might undo him.

lopez has only had 12 pro fights and is 21 a one sided loss could destroy his future as a pro fighter. clenelo was two years older and had close to 40 fights at that point. Nope that comparison doesn't work. lopez should at least get in there with commey and see how he does. The promoter is supposed to protect the younger fighters that are on the way up lopez is still in the prospect stage of his career. people know lopez is a legit threat to loma lopez doesnt want to be protected and doesnt care...he wants the fight...and bob cant even muzzle him because lopez doesnt care what bob tells him...whats bob going to do? release him from his contract? lol...thats why bob has had loma shoot the fight down whenever a fight people wanna see doesnt happen due to what looks like a promotional war these guys run around here "i wish fighters would take control of their career and demand fights" and here you have a 21 year old wanting to take control...and a supposed legend already talking the fight down likely on orders from his promoter...LOL

It would benefit the development of Lopez as a fighter to get in with Lomachenko now, win or lose. If he wins his confidence shoots through the roof. If he loses then his boxing IQ gets a free lesson and an upgrade at a very young age. Look how good Canelo got after losing to Floyd. If the kid wants it then the promoter shouldn't get in the way. lopez has only had 12 pro fights and is 21 a one sided loss could destroy his future as a pro fighter. clenelo was two years older and had close to 40 fights at that point. Nope that comparison doesn't work. lopez should at least get in there with commey and see how he does. The promoter is supposed to protect the younger fighters that are on the way up lopez is still in the prospect stage of his career.

I've been watching Loma since his debut and as of his last 4-5 fights,I have been getting this feeling that he may end going the way of Roy Jones Jr. Both Jones and Loma are boxers that rely heavily on their freakish athletesism and reflexes. It's a high energy,high movement style which requires incredibly hand and footspeed. Their mentally is "why block a punch,when you can avoid it all together". Unfortunately,this style doesn't transition well when the fighter starts aging. While the mind still knows what to do,the body and reflexes of an aging fighter simply can't keep up with the commands. Loma is 31 right now,and I'd say he has until 33-34 years old when we see the machine really start to rust. Add this to the fact that he is prone to injuries and inactivity,we might get a scenario in which a younger fighter (tank,Lopez) waits out Loma,and takes him out in dramatic fashion. Hopefully I'm wrong,and Loma uses his high boxing Iq and switches up his style like mayweather did in the latter part of his career,to compensate for him slowing down. Feel free to discuss. Strongly disagree. Lomachenko is technically much better than roy who used his athelticism to avoid shots. Lomachenko actually blocks with his hands and uses head movement to avoid shots. You're comparing apples to oranges.

stop overrating tank and his power. we saw last night how devastating loma looked against a lower class opponent and thats all tank has fought just like lopez. its easy to look good against them. what happens when they fight someone good? you think they are just gonna crumble like every other opponent they fight?usually doesnt work that way for anyone. hagler, ggg, wilder, etc... Only a certain set of fans believe the bold. I believe Tank has the power to hurt Lomachenko if he catches him. However, we won't see it anytime soon 'cause Tank's team have other plans for him and I'm sure they're some other 100-1 odds victims lined up for Lomachenko.

Off topic,but how would you have seen a floyd-lara fight going? Great question. Unfair fight with two typical fighters because we have a 140 vs a 154. With unequal size at 154 a boring snooze fest with Floyd getting a decison. If equal size and they truly were in the same weight class Floyd KO's him. People forget that Floyd is Junior Welterweight, Welterweight at most. He would lose to a Hearns badly, due to size great jab and power and would lose to Leonard because he finishes opponents when he hurts them.

hes exciting to watch so lets enjoy that while hes around, i dont see how u dislike him really, unless u dont like east euros ^^

stop overrating tank and his power. we saw last night how devastating loma looked against a lower class opponent and thats all tank has fought just like lopez. its easy to look good against them. what happens when they fight someone good? you think they are just gonna crumble like every other opponent they fight? usually doesnt work that way for anyone. hagler, ggg, wilder, etc... So, we gonna ignore Pedraza, who got his heart and zero taken away by Davis, and who was left face first splattered on the canvas? This same featerfisted Pedraza turned Loma's face into the elephant man. Think before you talk. Loma will feel the first Davis landed punch and run. I didn't see anything special against the can he crushed last night.

It would benefit the development of Lopez as a fighter to get in with Lomachenko now, win or lose. If he wins his confidence shoots through the roof. If he loses then his boxing IQ gets a free lesson and an upgrade at a very young age. Look how good Canelo got after losing to Floyd. If the kid wants it then the promoter shouldn't get in the way. The bold: I see your point. But, in pro boxing, I don't know if Lopez would learn anything from him. Floyd was a true pro boxer, Loma still looks amateurish to me. Anyway, I'd love to see this fight.

It's been said before but he's more technical than Roy. One thing I was looking for last night is if he pulled straight back to avoid shots. He does not. That's one thing Roy was notorious for doing but his athleticism let him get away with it. I also noticed he does a lot of extra movement to appear more flashy. It worked last night but against a boxer like Tank he could go to sleep if he gets caught messing around. My guess once he starts slowing down he'll be able to adjust his style to accommodate his regressions. Lomachenko is too gifted not to be able to make the transition as an older fighter. stop overrating tank and his power. we saw last night how devastating loma looked against a lower class opponent and thats all tank has fought just like lopez. its easy to look good against them. what happens when they fight someone good? you think they are just gonna crumble like every other opponent they fight? usually doesnt work that way for anyone. hagler, ggg, wilder, etc...

It's been said before but he's more technical than Roy. One thing I was looking for last night is if he pulled straight back to avoid shots. He does not. That's one thing Roy was notorious for doing but his athleticism let him get away with it. I also noticed he does a lot of extra movement to appear more flashy. It worked last night but against a boxer like Tank he could go to sleep if he gets caught messing around. My guess once he starts slowing down he'll be able to adjust his style to accommodate his regressions. Lomachenko is too gifted not to be able to make the transition as an older fighter.

So what we have with Top Rank boxing is a world where we don't get the interesting fights we'd like to see because they rarely work with outside promoters. And when there is an intriguing in-house matchup that could easily be made we don't get that either. Because they prefer to have two stars instead of one. It's just a game of artificially inflating public interest instead of having the best test themselves against the best. oh i definitley agree no question whats funny though its it creates such a mess for the al haymon haters/loma superfans(i like loma but his fanbois are gonna quickly take up where golovkins left off) these guys hate on al haymon and say his guys wont fight each other....yet hes been making good WW fights for some time now with his guys and will likely continue as he has some good matchups still left meanwhile bob will not let lopez/loma happen....and lomas fans and the TR fanbois(who really just hate haymon) will excuse it but these guys quickly forget how quick they were to blow loma for coming out of the gate fighting name guys we knew and fighting for a title in his 2nd pro fight....everyone was giving him crazy props for that yet now you have a 21 year old thats been featured on TR shows and is exciting....and people want to see fight loma and theyre excusing it already "who has lopez beateen to prove anything" they say ....whats the difference? who did loma beat to earn a title shot? no one.....so let lopez call out loma...and be mad if bob doesnt make a fight the public definitley wants but they wont...theyll excuse it and yell at haymon for something theyve made up in their heads

Lopez has done nothing to show he is in Loma's class. Who has Lopez ever defeated? Nobody even in boxrec's top 30. Loma beats good champions so badly they quit in the corner. He would slaughter Lopez in my opinion. I see no reason to think otherwise. he very well might slaughter lopez at this point....and id def favor loma.....but thats not really the point the point is people are getting bored with lomas opponent choices...people would like to see loma/lopez and that would spice things up.......thats something loma is going to need at some point...the crollas and the rest of these guys arent intriguing still...i cant see bob making it regardless let me ask you though...when loma turned pro and started fighting known fighters so fast...people were like "wow man look at this guy he just turned pro...hes not going the easy route and hes fighting for a title already in his 2nd fight" giving loma all kinds of props but when a 21 year old prospect thats been being featured on top rank shows and is exciting and beating guys down...decides he wants to fight a a top 3 p4p fighter thats in his class and same promo company....people like you are quick to s hoot him down? whats the difference?

its a twofold risk for bob right now....either way the fight turns out....it could even be lopez beating loma bob gains a star...but lomas star shines less bright...loma is one of the main faces of the espn boxing program bob wants to keep them away..let loma shine...and let lopez build and grow....I just cant see this fight happening no matter how much lopez talks it up....bob can have loma as a face of his company for the next few years and build lopez into that next guy at the same time as sad as it is...someone losing that fight would be a loss for that company even though it shouldn't work that way...if loma lost it would be his 2nd one...and if lopez lost theyd say hes probably good but not great/elite..... its hard to stay relevant in boxing with losses unless you act like bronerLopez has done nothing to show he is in Loma's class. Who has Lopez ever defeated? Nobody even in boxrec's top 30. Loma beats good champions so badly they quit in the corner. He would slaughter Lopez in my opinion. I see no reason to think otherwise.

Gets older and reflexes start slowing. Gets caught with a punch he never sees coming like Roy Jones.

What's new about a boxer going slowly but surely down hill after 30. It's always been that way for most boxers. Age 30 is already a bit past prime for most boxers and prime is age 24 to 28. Very few boxers fight as well at age 34 as the did at 27 even if they train very hard. So you are probably right. Loma probably won't be as good in a few years as he is now because that is just natural. That's why Ward and Bradley were smart to retire in their early 30s and Sugar Ray Leonard was shot at age 34. There are exceptions like GGG, Hopkins and Mayweather but most boxers are well past prime at age 34 and Loma probably will be also. Anyway he looked pretty damn good last night and he is a great fighter right now. He will probably start to go down hill soon just like almost all boxers do at his age. Time will tell. He is a dedicated trainer and will always be in the best shape he can be in for his age but father time takes it's toll.

RJJ is like still fighting and hes almost 50. Lomachneko has said he is probably gonna retire sooner than later. If he collects the rest of the 135 belts this year he probably goes back to 130 and then to 135 for some fights but I give lomachenko 3 years tops before hes done and that would make him 34-35.

It seems that's what everybody is hoping for. Loma has way better understanding of fundamentals than Roy Jones. Loma never does outlandish things that you're not supposed to do as a boxer but that you get away with because of your athleticism like Roy did. Roy was probably more talented imo, but Loma is technically more skilled. Everything is measured with him. He will slow down, but not nearly as much as Jones imo. Have to agree. Vasyl is well-schooled, and technically sound. Speed and athleticism add a lot to his game, but they’re not the whole package. I guess we’ll see if he can make the adjustment as time wears him down; but I don’t see a spectacular decline, a la Jones.

He may go down if he fights too long like any human being. He's intelligent enough where he'll adjust where needed when he ages and then quickly get out of the game. No one will ever have the abilities of Floyd where he fought bigger guys at the end of his career. The other factor and hopefully this won't offend but not since the days of Ali Leonard Hearns Jones Spinks Holmes Hagler have we seen fast African American fighters who could box slug or have a long stinging jab. Floyd has never fought an opponent in that mold mostly plodders. Same will apply with Loma. They don't exist anymore. Off topic,but how would you have seen a floyd-lara fight going?