Comments Thread For: Wilder: Everything Fury Gained, He'll Lose it By Facing Schwarz!

You don't get paid based on how long you've been champ. That's just complete nonsense. It's all about how much you generate, and Wilder doesn't generate. They're Fury's titles are they? Wilder's title belongs to Vitali then. So take your biased nonsense away from me because i'm bored of you now troll. Go and suck the frauds **** elsewhere, it's nauseating. Stay deluded though, just like your coward hero. Wilder-Joshua is the biggest fight in boxing. Don't pretend that Wilder isn't a BIG reason why there is so much interest in this fight. Wilder fought for the WBC belt after Vitali retired for good. Fury took a temporary hiatus and is still fighting. The WBA/IBF/WBO/IBO belts were Fury's belts, stripped from him but never beaten out of him. So yes, the belts now belong to Joshua but they were only MADE available because they were stripped from Fury. So Joshua still has to BEAT Fury for those belts. I'm looking forward to that fight, but Fury-Joshua is not as compelling as Wilder-Joshua or Wilder-Fury because of the devastating one-punch knockout power Wilder possesses. You never know when it's coming, but he's managed to knockdown or knockout every one of his opponents. And he was champion before Fury or Joshua, so he remains the man to beat, in addition to being the more exciting of the three elite heavyweights. Time to get Joshua in the mix!

Nah the only simple thing here is a simpleton...which is you ....you need to be banned permanatley but the site wont do it bc its a pro Wilder one and I know you are employed by them . which actually is fun in itself isn't it ? And your allowed a certain amount of alts like Dave...and mirror image created ones , this site is actually garbage bc of its agenda and everyone should know this whio reads this...:tool: I don't have any alts. When trolls like Robbie Barrett have falsely accused me of alts, the mods have stepped in to confirm I'm not using alts. I barely have time to post on one account, let alone multiple.

You're right. Wilder HAS been calling for 50/50 right from the start. Makes sense as he is the current, longest reigning boxing champion, having been a champion before Fury beat Klitschko and well before Joshua picked up Fury's belts. I'm a fan of both champions and I really believed Joshua wanted the fight until he made that ridiculous lowball offer, rejected the $50 million against 50%, then added insult to injury, returning to the lowball offer with a one-way rematch clause. When that happened, I realized Joshua just wasn't ready to face Wilder. Since the Fury fight, I believe he NOW believes he can beat Wilder and if Wilder gets past Braezaele and Joshua gets past Miller, we'll finally have an undisputed fight, either on Showtime PPV or DAZN. Won't matter to me either way... You don't get paid based on how long you've been champ. That's just complete nonsense. It's all about how much you generate, and Wilder doesn't generate. They're Fury's titles are they? Wilder's title belongs to Vitali then. So take your biased nonsense away from me because i'm bored of you now troll. Go and suck the frauds **** elsewhere, it's nauseating. Stay deluded though, just like your coward hero.

Your mom told me. :fing02: Please boot this idiot. He has this Alt to fall back on davefromvancouv :spam: i asked you a very simple question. if you have no way of knowing what wilder actually makes, just say so.

WIlders highest pay was 1.4 million How do you know what Wilder makes?

Demanding 50% back in December 2017 when WIlders highest pay was 1.4 million after Joshua had just made 15/17 million on the Klitchko fight ? Yea sure , Joshua was the one not ready. :doh: You don't know how much either fighter is making for any given fight. The PBC listed purse is not the full amount and Joshua's purse is based on what Hearn tells you it is. Fighting Povetkin is a lot safer than fighting Wilder. Less chance of getting seriously hurt. But after Wilder fought Fury, Joshua seems to like his chances a lot more. Nevertheless, I still pick Wilder to score a brutal KO when Joshua finally agrees to fight him.

You need to stop going by your memory then. And no, Wilder has been calling for 50/50 for well over a year, before these offers were even made. They have been brutally exposed. Never in the history of this sport has it ever got so mad before. Wilder truly stands alone as the most delusional cretin boxing will ever know. It's impossible to get any worse than him. And that goes for his creepy fans as well. You're right. Wilder HAS been calling for 50/50 right from the start. Makes sense as he is the current, longest reigning boxing champion, having been a champion before Fury beat Klitschko and well before Joshua picked up Fury's belts. I'm a fan of both champions and I really believed Joshua wanted the fight until he made that ridiculous lowball offer, rejected the $50 million against 50%, then added insult to injury, returning to the lowball offer with a one-way rematch clause. When that happened, I realized Joshua just wasn't ready to face Wilder. Since the Fury fight, I believe he NOW believes he can beat Wilder and if Wilder gets past Braezaele and Joshua gets past Miller, we'll finally have an undisputed fight, either on Showtime PPV or DAZN. Won't matter to me either way...

That doesn't sound familiar at all... The way I remember it is after the big letdown of Hearn rejecting the $50 million against 50% offer, Hearn went back to a flat fee lowball offer, upping it from $12.5 million to $15 million. Wilder said, hey, why don't you just give me 40% and Hearn refused. Begrudgingly, Wilder accepted the insulting offer and asked for the contract. But wouldn't you know it, the contract didn't have a date specified and it only had a one-way rematch clause for Joshua. So Finkel asked for the contract to be fixed with these updates and said the contract would be signed by Friday of that week. Then we all got a shock from the WBA on the Monday, demanding a 24 hour deadline for Joshua to set up a fight with Povetkin and that was that... Wilder then said, no more games and no more drama!!! 50/50 or no fight!!! And that's where we are today. Hearn has yet to offer 50/50 so the likely scenario is that Showtime will make the same (or better) offer after Joshua gets past Miller. If Joshua accepts, we have an undisputed fight in November. Isn't that exciting? You need to stop going by your memory then. And no, Wilder has been calling for 50/50 for well over a year, before these offers were even made. They have been brutally exposed. Never in the history of this sport has it ever got so mad before. Wilder truly stands alone as the most delusional cretin boxing will ever know. It's impossible to get any worse than him. And that goes for his creepy fans as well.

Hearn said the fight would be next. He was looking at Oct Nov time. No reason for Hearn not to call it next because it wasn't like AJ was going to learn much more in another 6 months. He had the WBA breathing down his neck and needed to move fast. He already had 2 extensions from them to make the fight with Wilder, they weren't going to give another one. Finkle knew this which is why he kept that contract for weeks without saying anything or getting back to Hearn. He was running the clock down for the mandatory. He only piped up because the news was out that he had the contract. Had he spent too long without accepting or refusing, people would have got too suspicious. It's all bollocks. You don't like facts do you? Finkle said on camera later on down the road that they never accepted the 15 Mill offer. They completely contradicted everything they said before, and fools like you bought it. But don't worry, the vast majority know who the problem was and is. That couldn't be any clearer. That doesn't sound familiar at all... The way I remember it is after the big letdown of Hearn rejecting the $50 million against 50% offer, Hearn went back to a flat fee lowball offer, upping it from $12.5 million to $15 million. Wilder said, hey, why don't you just give me 40% and Hearn refused. Begrudgingly, Wilder accepted the insulting offer and asked for the contract. But wouldn't you know it, the contract didn't have a date specified and it only had a one-way rematch clause for Joshua. So Finkel asked for the contract to be fixed with these updates and said the contract would be signed by Friday of that week. Then we all got a shock from the WBA on the Monday, demanding a 24 hour deadline for Joshua to set up a fight with Povetkin and that was that... Wilder then said, no more games and no more drama!!! 50/50 or no fight!!! And that's where we are today. Hearn has yet to offer 50/50 so the likely scenario is that Showtime will make the same (or better) offer after Joshua gets past Miller. If Joshua accepts, we have an undisputed fight in November. Isn't that exciting?

Where is the source that suggests they were looking for the highest bidder? Showtime and Viacom don't need BT to come up with $50 million. And the $15 million was accepted on condition that the fight would be next and a two-way rematch clause would be added. Joshua fought Povetkin instead and Wilder fought Fury. Hearn said the fight would be next. He was looking at Oct Nov time. No reason for Hearn not to call it next because it wasn't like AJ was going to learn much more in another 6 months. He had the WBA breathing down his neck and needed to move fast. He already had 2 extensions from them to make the fight with Wilder, they weren't going to give another one. Finkle knew this which is why he kept that contract for weeks without saying anything or getting back to Hearn. He was running the clock down for the mandatory. He only piped up because the news was out that he had the contract. Had he spent too long without accepting or refusing, people would have got too suspicious. It's all bollocks. You don't like facts do you? Finkle said on camera later on down the road that they never accepted the 15 Mill offer. They completely contradicted everything they said before, and fools like you bought it. But don't worry, the vast majority know who the problem was and is. That couldn't be any clearer.

Would that be similar to the "simple normal" $50m offer that Wilder's team made? You know, the one that was bankrolled by Sky and Matchroom's biggest rival and would have required Joshua to fight on BT Sport under the Boxnation banner and therefore "back-stabbing his current team/network"? You know, the offer that every Wilder fan slated Joshua for refusing when his team was refused access to any information other than "it's $50m, take it or leave it within a 24 hour window"? I just think it's hilarious that when the shoe is on the other foot for twice as much money, the same people come out with every excuse under the sun to defend Wilder. No. Wilder put forward was an offer to Fight AJ and only AJ . What Dazn offered was an offer to fight someone who is not AJ, with no gurarantee to fight AJ at all after that.

Hearn said the reason they rejected the $50 million against 50% is because they wanted the fight in the UK: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2018/05/22/anthony-joshua-will-turn-37m-fight-deontay-wilder-us-insist/ DiBella destroyed the BT argument, saying that nobody is saying the fight was supposed to be on BT, and besides, the network was immaterial: if Joshua needed the fight on BT, it would be on BT. If Joshua had to be on Sky, it would be on Sky. Espinoza confirmed that what Warren said was twisted and that a Sky PPV offer was sent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNiSzKsNXuk&t=10m The Twitter beef exposed that a contract was never sent, but a 3-page Sky offer was (worldboxingnews.net link): https://www.***************.net/2019/02/26/eddie-hearn-stephen-espinoza-joshua/ You're taking things out of context now. The offer we are talking about was eventually sent to Hearn and AJ via social media, with a 24 hour take it or leave it deadline.

The offer was rejected because Finkel refused to have a meeting! Both Hearn and AJ himself said they were interested in discussing it and asked for a meeting with Finkel. Finkel refused to talk to them unless they accepted the offer first.. Hearn said the reason they rejected the $50 million against 50% is because they wanted the fight in the UK: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2018/05/22/anthony-joshua-will-turn-37m-fight-deontay-wilder-us-insist/ Espinoza is a proven liar and DiBella himself confirmed what Warren said in that interview, that BT were involved in the $50million offer because they wanted to screen the fight in the UK.. DiBella destroyed the BT argument, saying that nobody is saying the fight was supposed to be on BT, and besides, the network was immaterial: if Joshua needed the fight on BT, it would be on BT. If Joshua had to be on Sky, it would be on Sky. Espinoza confirmed that what Warren said was twisted and that a Sky PPV offer was sent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNiSzKsNXuk&t=10m Hearn exposed Espinoza's lies about that by confronting and challenging him on twitter. Nobody is suggesting that Warren wanted to promote the fight himself. That's a strawman argument introduced by you. The Twitter beef exposed that a contract was never sent, but a 3-page Sky offer was (worldboxingnews.net link): https://www.***************.net/2019/02/26/eddie-hearn-stephen-espinoza-joshua/

So NOT guaranteed then. I think we agreed. If Eddie wants the fight he'll make a proper simple offer after the miller fight, when he can guarantee a fight with AJ. And the offer doesnt need to involve Wilder selling his soul to Eddie for multiple fights, back stabbing his current team/network, giving exclusive rights to DAZN etc... It just needs to be a simple normal offer. Would that be similar to the "simple normal" $50m offer that Wilder's team made? You know, the one that was bankrolled by Sky and Matchroom's biggest rival and would have required Joshua to fight on BT Sport under the Boxnation banner and therefore "back-stabbing his current team/network"? You know, the offer that every Wilder fan slated Joshua for refusing when his team was refused access to any information other than "it's $50m, take it or leave it within a 24 hour window"? I just think it's hilarious that when the shoe is on the other foot for twice as much money, the same people come out with every excuse under the sun to defend Wilder.

Lou DiBella explained that the offer, if accepted, would require Hearn to relinquish control of the fight. Since the offer was rejected, there was no need to have a meeting. The offer was rejected because Finkel refused to have a meeting! Both Hearn and AJ himself said they were interested in discussing it and asked for a meeting with Finkel. Finkel refused to talk to them unless they accepted the offer first. Lou DiBella and Stephen Espinoza explained that the $50 million guarantee was chump change for Showtime and Viacom, and their reputation stood for itself. Plus the ensuing contract would legally binding if the offer was accepted... Espinoza is a proven liar and DiBella himself confirmed what Warren said in that interview, that BT were involved in the $50million offer because they wanted to screen the fight in the UK. I agree that Warren explicitly says that they had conversations about the fight being on BT. But he also says that Hearn would require the fight to be on Sky Sports. Espinoza and DiBella confirmed that ultimately a Sky offer was sent. So that would mean that Warren was only consulted to understand the UK rights to the fight since he had no promotional ties to Wilder or Joshua, and this was a surprise offer to Sky Sports. Hearn exposed Espinoza's lies about that by confronting and challenging him on twitter. Nobody is suggesting that Warren wanted to promote the fight himself. That's a strawman argument introduced by you.

Neither did Eddie Hearn. And it's clear to see why. That's exactly what their plans were. Lou was saying the opposite before he said this. The same way Finkle was saying that they accepted the 15 Mill offer only to contradict himself later on by claiming he didn't accept the offer. It's all out there so you're wasting your time for what ever reason. Where is the source that suggests they were looking for the highest bidder? Showtime and Viacom don't need BT to come up with $50 million. And the $15 million was accepted on condition that the fight would be next and a two-way rematch clause would be added. Joshua fought Povetkin instead and Wilder fought Fury.

Why do you think Finkel cancelled a scheduled meeting with Hearn and told Dumbtay to make AJ an offer over social media instead? Lou DiBella explained that the offer, if accepted, would require Hearn to relinquish control of the fight. Since the offer was rejected, there was no need to have a meeting. Why do you think he refused to tell Eddie any of the details of that offer, including who was funding it? Lou DiBella and Stephen Espinoza explained that the $50 million guarantee was chump change for Showtime and Viacom, and their reputation stood for itself. Plus the ensuing contract would legally binding if the offer was accepted... Why bother posting an interview with Frank Warren if you are going to ignore what he says and invent your own alternative narrative? I agree that Warren explicitly says that they had conversations about the fight being on BT. But he also says that Hearn would require the fight to be on Sky Sports. Espinoza and DiBella confirmed that ultimately a Sky offer was sent. So that would mean that Warren was only consulted to understand the UK rights to the fight since he had no promotional ties to Wilder or Joshua, and this was a surprise offer to Sky Sports.

I've never seen that information... Lou DiBella said (at the tail end of the interview I sent you) that the choice of network was not an issue. If Joshua was on BT, it would be on BT. If Joshua had an exclusive contract with Sky, the fight would be on Sky. As such, Espinoza verified that a Sky offer was made. If Joshua gets past Miller, I suspect that a similar offer will be made again for a November clash. Neither did Eddie Hearn. And it's clear to see why. That's exactly what their plans were. Lou was saying the opposite before he said this. The same way Finkle was saying that they accepted the 15 Mill offer only to contradict himself later on by claiming he didn't accept the offer. It's all out there so you're wasting your time for what ever reason.

Wilder's team wanted the fight to go to whoever bid the highest between BT Sports and Sky Sports. Which was a non starter. Had BT bid more, which could have been a strong possibility, AJ would have had to pay over 30 Mill due to him having an exclusive contract with Sky Sports. Finkle and co knew this all along, but they just wanted to use propaganda and lies to build up Wilder's name. It was all a con. The fact some people out there still buy all this nonsense is absolutely baffling to me. But hey, got to push the agenda, right? I've never seen that information... Lou DiBella said (at the tail end of the interview I sent you) that the choice of network was not an issue. If Joshua was on BT, it would be on BT. If Joshua had an exclusive contract with Sky, the fight would be on Sky. As such, Espinoza verified that a Sky offer was made. If Joshua gets past Miller, I suspect that a similar offer will be made again for a November clash.

Ludicrous. Warren isn't saying it was a BT offer. He's saying they had conversations about the fight being on BT. Since he had nothing to do with Wilder or Joshua, a logical reason would be help flush out the UK rights to the fight, since Finkel was preparing the SURPRISE offer to Sky Sports. Then again, why are you so convinced it was a BT offer? Warren is the only person who even remotely suggested that it was a BT offer. Then corrected himself and said obviously it would have to be a Sky offer for Hearn. Hearn never said it was a BT offer. Joshua never did. Espinoza explained the twisted logic for even thinking that it was. Lou DiBella said those who believed it were morons. But YOU believe it and you have been parroting this foolish narrative since the day you heard BT come out of Warren's mouth. Of course it makes no sense (for most people), because the $50 million against 50% Sky offer was made by Showtime and was rejected by Hearn: not because the funds weren't there, not because he couldn't get a meeting with Finkel, but because he wanted to promote the fight in the UK. Warren helped Finkel flush out the UK rights to the fight. Nothing more, because Warren was not the promoter of Wilder or Joshua. Why do you think Finkel cancelled a scheduled meeting with Hearn and told Dumbtay to make AJ an offer over social media instead? Why do you think he refused to tell Eddie any of the details of that offer, including who was funding it? Why bother posting an interview with Frank Warren if you are going to ignore what he says and invent your own alternative narrative?