Very few boxer in the history of the sport is a 5 divison champion. If mikey can get a title in his 5th division it will a very big achievements for him. Only extemely good fighter can becone a 5 division champion.
For Broner, it may be hard yes. But for Mikey, he's just one step away from it. And it's not really that hard for him. As I mentioned earlier, he made a wrong turn in Spence but he can try again, against another. Maybe not now, maybe in a few years, he might do it again. How is old now, 31? He'd still in shape for the next 2 or 3 years. He can still fight for it if he desperately needs to.
I qgree. mikey is capable of getting his 5th division but he need to pick his opponent carefully and if he successfully made it he will become one of the very few to achieved it.
Yes they made 4 division champ look easy but going for their 5th division is very very hard for them. For broner to win a title at 154 is almost impossible. until now only hearns, floyd and leonard had done it
For Broner, it may be hard yes. But for Mikey, he's just one step away from it. And it's not really that hard for him. As I mentioned earlier, he made a wrong turn in Spence but he can try again, against another. Maybe not now, maybe in a few years, he might do it again. How is old now, 31? He'd still in shape for the next 2 or 3 years. He can still fight for it if he desperately needs to.
Becoming 5 div champ was hard to achieve in the past. Heck, even 3 div champ was hard to achieve too. Remember J C Chavez?
But I’m not so sure nowadays. Guys like Garcia and Broner seem to make it look easy already.
Yes they made 4 division champ look easy but going for their 5th division is very very hard for them. For broner to win a title at 154 is almost impossible. until now only hearns, floyd and leonard had done it
Five division champ is no joke. But I'm sure Mikey can do it if he acclimates to the weight naturally. I think the Spence jump was a bit premature. If he takes his time maybe he can make it happen and be like a Pacquiao who's smaller but highly skilled. Of course Pacquiao is faster and had better lateral movement but Garcia also has his tools. I think he just has to take his time. His body didn't react well to him at 147 against Spence.
If he does win a belt at 147 I would hope it's against a stiff opponent and not the weakest champ in the division.
But still it would be a very big achievements for mikey and until now becoming a 5 diivision champ is very very hard to achieve and only special fighter can do it.
Becoming 5 div champ was hard to achieve in the past. Heck, even 3 div champ was hard to achieve too. Remember J C Chavez?
But I’m not so sure nowadays. Guys like Garcia and Broner seem to make it look easy already.
it was especially embarrassing because floyd previously said i only fight guys who are healthy and i just want a fair fight when criticizing pac then he did something way worse with that catchweight crap when they were both champs in the same division.
You mean changing your mind when a bigger guys calls you out with a CW, is that like refusing blood testing in the biggest fight in history and then making B graders take the very same testing you refused lol. Is that the same kinda of mind changing ?
Come on now just apply youre BS logic to Manny and his career is full of contradictions and weight manipulation, but you cant do that as you have Floyd rules and then you have Manny rules and they very different lol.
Here is your logic, Oscar was a total dead man walking the worst dehydrated fighter Ive ever seen in a title fight, Oscar was 154 and had not made 147 in over 10 yrs the only way Manny would fight was at 147 knowing Oscar will have loads of trouble, come fight night sure enough Oscar is screwed and is lighter than Manny.
And you rejoice what a great win by Manny because oscar wanted the weight, Oscar wanted 150 originally and Manny was no way, maybe he knew Oscar was way better than a washed up Margarito for 150 lol, more of this one weight for you and another weight for him over there.
Then beating a waif on a drip is youre idea of a great win, anybody in boxing knows Oscar was totally ruined and had no chance once the weighin was done, even Roach said it wont go 3 rounds when he seen Oscar on the scales.
Manny is the biggest weight manipulator in history thats a fact.
He's in the position to do it. He just chose the wrong guy in Spence though. But it's not yet too late. He can find a weaker champion he has more shot at winning against or some of them might end up vacating the belts. Mikey might be able to get some crack in any of those days and he's still young enough to wait for that time. Oddly though, it seems like he's going to be the weakest 5 div champ in history based on his resume.
But still it would be a very big achievements for mikey and until now becoming a 5 diivision champ is very very hard to achieve and only special fighter can do it.
Pacquiao and Mayweather were just two freaks - mentally, physically, genetically. There are some very good boxers around today, though they won't reach the same heights as those two, and that's perfectly okay, they can still be great in their own right.
He's in the position to do it. He just chose the wrong guy in Spence though. But it's not yet too late. He can find a weaker champion he has more shot at winning against or some of them might end up vacating the belts. Mikey might be able to get some crack in any of those days and he's still young enough to wait for that time. Oddly though, it seems like he's going to be the weakest 5 div champ in history based on his resume.
Hell no, the weight makes him sluggish and a sitting duck!
He was a plodder vs Spence and only his chin, heart and solid defense kept him from getting sparked out!
His best chance is if Broner somehow wins a belt but that won’t happen either!
lol. Yeah that's so disgusting and embarassing. Both are champion in the same division and the other one demand a catchweight. I think even floyd own fans was so ashamed of him.
it was especially embarrassing because floyd previously said i only fight guys who are healthy and i just want a fair fight when criticizing pac then he did something way worse with that catchweight crap when they were both champs in the same division.
It doesnt matter if Oscar picked the weight, how does that change the outcome of the fight, the only reason Manny won was because Oscar was a dead man at 145 pounds, thats 20lbs smaller than the Oscar Floyd beat, 20lbs lol.
The Marquez weight was Roach saying we will make him sluggish thats why they wanted 147 and didnt that back fire lol.
Hatton was a typo but was shot anyway and a coke addict with a new trainer .
Every fight Manny has got some BS going on , they are you facts go look at every fight.
it matters because you keep inventing these counterfactuals based on weight when it was oscar who picked the weight.
so when he wants a catchweight against marquez its bullsh-it and you complain but when he fights him at the full 147 its bullsh-it and you complain. ok...
i looked at every fight there and only 2 of his 16 ww fights were at catchweights. he also beat 5 top 5 guys or 7 top 10 guys if you expand it out. only one of those were catchweight fights so your argument isnt matching up with the facts that hes only fighting shot and little fighters. yes some fights suck. some don't. pretty typical really.
no what floyd did was worse because they were both champs in the same division in a unification fight and yet he still demanded a catchweight. that was embarrassing.
lol. Yeah that's so disgusting and embarassing. Both are champion in the same division and the other one demand a catchweight. I think even floyd own fans was so ashamed of him.
but you dont have the facts and you made that quite obvious when you said manny fought hatton at 147 and pac made oscar fight at 147 when oscar picked the weight. you need to follow it closer because it seems like you are just starting with your conclusion and working backwards and getting very sloppy.
yes there are fights to criticize or disagree with but not every single fight like you claim fits into that. he beat 4 top 5 ww's and only one at a catchweight, and that was when he was champ at 140. doesnt sound as bad when you have the "facts" fighting marquez at a catchweight was for marquez's benefit since he was the smaller man at the time. twisting things like that just makes you look bad
It doesnt matter if Oscar picked the weight, how does that change the outcome of the fight, the only reason Manny won was because Oscar was a dead man at 145 pounds, thats 20lbs smaller than the Oscar Floyd beat, 20lbs lol.
The Marquez weight was Roach saying we will make him sluggish thats why they wanted 147 and didnt that back fire lol.
Hatton was a typo but was shot anyway and a coke addict with a new trainer .
Every fight Manny has got some BS going on , they are you facts go look at every fight.
You can make all the excuses you like its doesnt take away the facts of every fight.
Manny manipulated weight like no other fighter in history has done, he found a loop hole and got away with it in the fights that catapulted him , good on him, but dont deny what went down.
Ive followed boxing for a very long time and I know exactly where Manny is, from a top liner in the lowest weights he was man made in higher weights, he CWed the big names and or cherry picked them as well like Margarito, and now he avoids full blown WW which is why he fights so many guys from 140 or less , the last genuine WW Manny fought was Horn.
ATG but not what his fans try and put out there.
but you dont have the facts and you made that quite obvious when you said manny fought hatton at 147 and pac made oscar fight at 147 when oscar picked the weight. you need to follow it closer because it seems like you are just starting with your conclusion and working backwards and getting very sloppy.
yes there are fights to criticize or disagree with but not every single fight like you claim fits into that. he beat 4 top 5 ww's and only one at a catchweight, and that was when he was champ at 140. doesnt sound as bad when you have the "facts" fighting marquez at a catchweight was for marquez's benefit since he was the smaller man at the time. twisting things like that just makes you look bad
he fought hatton at 140. pac was champ at 140 and cotto at 147. i dont agree with the catchweight but that seems like the time to do it if you are going to do it. having 2 champs in the same division fighting in a unification fight and making it a catchweight is a different thing entirely which is what floyd did and what mann never did. lets not pretend its equal when its not.
oscar was the a-side in that fight and set the weight. remember he was set to fight floyd at 147 and floyd pulled out.
manny just got knocked out cold. what did you expect?
some of your criticisms are valid but some are failing to look at the context and circumstances in those fights.
You can make all the excuses you like its doesnt take away the facts of every fight.
Manny manipulated weight like no other fighter in history has done, he found a loop hole and got away with it in the fights that catapulted him , good on him, but dont deny what went down.
Ive followed boxing for a very long time and I know exactly where Manny is, from a top liner in the lowest weights he was man made in higher weights, he CWed the big names and or cherry picked them as well like Margarito, and now he avoids full blown WW which is why he fights so many guys from 140 or less , the last genuine WW Manny fought was Horn.
ATG but not what his fans try and put out there.
He did it via CWs , you keep ignoring the special Manny weights.
Manny has a asterisk over 95% of his WW fights, how do fight Oscar and Hatton at 147 and then demand 145 for Cotto in the same division.
How did he get to be bigger than Oscar on fight night, draining !
How do you duck Mosley begging for 144 and then after Floyd beats him and a draw say 147 is ok now.
How do you fight him for years and then have Marquez at 147 after saying how small you are.
How do you bring guys like Rios of a loss and Algeiri to WW when they have never been at WW.
How say Foremen was too big at 154 so you take a washed up WW at 150 for a 154 title.
There is soooooooo much BS thats going on with Manny and match making, if he was straight down the gun barrel like Mikey was against Spence Manny would not have got past Cotto and Oscar, dam Oscar at 154 would stop Manny .
Most every WW fight Manny has BS all over it.
he fought hatton at 140. pac was champ at 140 and cotto at 147. i dont agree with the catchweight but that seems like the time to do it if you are going to do it. having 2 champs in the same division fighting in a unification fight and making it a catchweight is a different thing entirely which is what floyd did and what mann never did. lets not pretend its equal when its not.
oscar was the a-side in that fight and set the weight. remember he was set to fight floyd at 147 and floyd pulled out.
manny just got knocked out cold. what did you expect?
some of your criticisms are valid but some are failing to look at the context and circumstances in those fights.
He did it via CWs , you keep ignoring the special Manny weights.
Manny has a asterisk over 95% of his WW fights, how do fight Oscar and Hatton at 147 and then demand 145 for Cotto in the same division.
How did he get to be bigger than Oscar on fight night, draining !
How do you duck Mosley begging for 144 and then after Floyd beats him and a draw say 147 is ok now.
How do you fight him for years and then have Marquez at 147 after saying how small you are.
How do you bring guys like Rios of a loss and Algeiri to WW when they have never been at WW.
How say Foremen was too big at 154 so you take a washed up WW at 150 for a 154 title.
There is soooooooo much BS thats going on with Manny and match making, if he was straight down the gun barrel like Mikey was against Spence Manny would not have got past Cotto and Oscar, dam Oscar at 154 would stop Manny .
Most every WW fight Manny has BS all over it.
Sorry bro no matter how hard u try floyd couldn't even get his 6th division even for a vacant title.
He did it via CWs , you keep ignoring the special Manny weights.
Manny has a asterisk over 95% of his WW fights, how do fight Oscar and Hatton at 147 and then demand 145 for Cotto in the same division.
How did he get to be bigger than Oscar on fight night, draining !
How do you duck Mosley begging for 144 and then after Floyd beats him and a draw say 147 is ok now.
How do you fight him for years and then have Marquez at 147 after saying how small you are.
How do you bring guys like Rios of a loss and Algeiri to WW when they have never been at WW.
How say Foremen was too big at 154 so you take a washed up WW at 150 for a 154 title.
There is soooooooo much BS thats going on with Manny and match making, if he was straight down the gun barrel like Mikey was against Spence Manny would not have got past Cotto and Oscar, dam Oscar at 154 would stop Manny .
Most every WW fight Manny has BS all over it.
What floyd was doing is BS. Fight a CW and still find a way to cheat on the scale. That's the worst CW fight in the history of the sport.