Size wasn't really a factor tonight.

that's exactly what a size advantage is it's glaringly obvious you've never boxed in your life You said he couldn't get inside because of the reach disadvantage. He did get inside and looked bad there too. So you lied. Now you want to change the argument to size. You obviously have serious reading comprehension. Don't even attempt to pretend that you're a boxing expert either. Your post have already ended that lie.

It was for Mikey in the sense that he clearly put on too much weight Garcia put on too much fat; he put on too little weight. Training at SNAC was big mistake number one; attempting to move up two weight divisions in under three months was mistake number two. The end result was a Mikey Garcia who carried very little more muscle mass that he did at 135, but significantly more bodyfat. I suppose the saving grace for Victor "I know doping, not training" Conte is that this fight will probably convince skeptics like Paulie Malignaggi that Conte is no longer in the PED business.

When he did get inside he was beaten up there too. So that excuse won't cut it. Your response is uneducated. that's exactly what a size advantage is it's glaringly obvious you've never boxed in your life

Moron, i didn't say he would win. Learn to ****in read. Only person stupid here is you . You said he would have done MUCH better which he clearly didn't. Dumbass casual lol.

Fact that you have a ****smoker pedo lover as a avatar says everything. The fact that you put four people in your avatar that would have no respect for your fake ass says everything. There fact that you call Muhammad Ali a pedophile says everything :lol1: Wrong black person you illiterate clown.

Take away Spence jab and he beat up Mikey on the inside too. "Mikey would have done much better if Spence d it didn't jab." LOL Your comment is stupid. Fact that you have a ****smoker pedo lover as a avatar says everything.

Take away Spence jab and he beat up Mikey on the inside too. "Mikey would have done much better if Spence d it didn't jab." LOL Your comment is stupid. Moron, i didn't say he would win. Learn to ****in read. Only person stupid here is you .

Spence needs to move up. Porter vs Spence is uninteresting. Danny Garcia is not an elite welterweight. Thurman vs Spence is past his shelf-life, with Thurman looking like a sack of crap in his come back fight. Pacquiao is old and past his prime. Haymon and Arum will never work together. Haymon would never let Spence fight on ESPN, Arum would never let Crawford fight on Showtime. If Spence wants to become a top rated P4P fighter, he needs to move up to 154.

This sums up the thread entirely. Take away Spence's Jab and he would of done MUCH BETTER. Take away Spence jab and he beat up Mikey on the inside too. "Mikey would have done much better if Spence d it didn't jab." LOL Your comment is stupid.

Yes it was like Garcia wasn't there All 3 Judges , not 1 Rd , my 1st experience.

Size was still a big factor. Size gives you a lot of advantages. Comparatively more power and more punch resistance. Thats why boxers who move up in weight at one point stop knocking their opponents out. Spence could take garcias punches better than the other way around. Mikey couldnt just take chances, because every mistake is punished badly. Lets say mayweather fights guys in lower weightclasses. He is a pure boxer and outboxes his opponents, but when he hypothetically fights smaller opponents, size would still be a big factor. he would be able to hurt his opponents more easily, making it much more difficult for them to get into his range and walk through his punches. he also would have to worry less about punching power, because on average smaller guys have less power than bigger guys. Garcia barely landed any clean shots. If garcia was teeing off on spence and spence was walking through the shots then I'll give you it was all size. It didn't happen here. I've seen fights where size is a big factor and the smaller guy is still able to land on the bigger man but the shots don't have any effect. I did not see that in this fight. Mikey looked flatfooted and completely lost. Size has very little to do with the smaller guy not being able to land. He could not tee off at all. This is what happens to someone when they are outboxed. I never said size isn't a factor. But in this fight size isn't what got spence to win.

First, I might just start sending you crazy amount messages of posters who was giving Rigo credit for moving up. Second, it was no win win for Rigo. He made that move out of desperation and Mikey made that move out of delusion Well said! Unlike Brook vs GGG, Mikey didn't even reveal a weakness in Spence's game. Brook at least got to show us that GGG despite his own boxing skills could actually be outboxed.

Spence dominated in every category including making garcia miss. Also dominated distance. If you can't see that spence is clearly the better boxer then you don't know boxing. And It's not. People overhyped garcia and made him p4p top 5. If he was p4p top 5 fighter he would not have gotten outclassed this way. Size was still a big factor. Size gives you a lot of advantages. Comparatively more power and more punch resistance. Thats why boxers who move up in weight at one point stop knocking their opponents out. Spence could take garcias punches better than the other way around. Mikey couldnt just take chances, because every mistake is punished badly. Lets say mayweather fights guys in lower weightclasses. He is a pure boxer and outboxes his opponents, but when he hypothetically fights smaller opponents, size would still be a big factor. he would be able to hurt his opponents more easily, making it much more difficult for them to get into his range and walk through his punches. he also would have to worry less about punching power, because on average smaller guys have less power than bigger guys.

Spence dominated in every category including making garcia miss. Also dominated distance. If you can't see that spence is clearly the better boxer then you don't know boxing. And It's not. People overhyped garcia and made him p4p top 5. If he was p4p top 5 fighter he would not have gotten outclassed this way. I was thinking the same thing about you actually, never been near a ring. He was able to do those things because of his combination of size and ability, size in certain situations can completely off-set a situation where you have two fighters of similar ability or even a smaller fighter with more ability, this is a case of size playing a major factor. I am actually not sure who the better fighter is, Spence might be, but you can't use their fight as your determining factor as the size difference was far too much... In your last sentence youre going off topic and you reveal your bias actually...So would you not consider JMM a top p4p fighter? An ATG, 1st ballot HOFer? Because Floyd dominated him. Mikey was considered top 5 p4p (whatever he was) because he's gone through weight divisions against a consistently good level of fighters/champions. As I said, Spence might one day go in against a fighter in a similar deficit in terms of size and dimension and he might lose in a similar fashion and Mikey might go down in weight and dominate Lomachenko or pick up some big wins against some elite fighters his own size...time will tell. The things Spence proved last night in my eyes was that he was the better welterweight, he showed versatility, and the ability to control the distance on a smaller fighter

We do get why saying good big man beats good little man is a saying right? That phrase is as old as boxing and it exists for a reason because size is a real factor. It gives margins for error and advantages usually in range and power that usually allows the bigger guy to get off first because if a guy comes into range first then a guy can fire off first based on just that before ever getting into any danger and a bigger guy will generally just have more force behind their shots making it hard for the smaller guy to do much of anything. That is pretty much what the fight looked like, Spence might be a flat out better fighter but impossible to separate any of that because those advantages existed and it looked like a thousand other fights between a smaller guy and bigger guy.

Dumb examples... Size was absolutely a factor It is not clear cut that Spence is the better boxer, you'd have to see both guys in with elite fighters of the same size...but if Spence was giving up similar size to elite fighters as Mikey was last night he may struggle in a similar manner as he's not a particularly amazing athlete, or amazingly gifted but fundamentally sound, skilled, strong and consistent Neither guy is Manny or Floyd so that is a dumb point. Spence dominated in every category including making garcia miss. Also dominated distance. If you can't see that spence is clearly the better boxer then you don't know boxing. And It's not. People overhyped garcia and made him p4p top 5. If he was p4p top 5 fighter he would not have gotten outclassed this way.

Nothing but props to Spence. Lets see him and Thurman next. Crawford-Garcia.

Have you seen mayweather vs canelo? Manny vs cotto? I can name many fights where the smaller outskilled the bigger man. Garcia is just a limited fighter. Spence is a much better boxer. Dumb examples... Size was absolutely a factor It is not clear cut that Spence is the better boxer, you'd have to see both guys in with elite fighters of the same size...but if Spence was giving up similar size to elite fighters as Mikey was last night he may struggle in a similar manner as he's not a particularly amazing athlete, or amazingly gifted but fundamentally sound, skilled, strong and consistent Neither guy is Manny or Floyd so that is a dumb point.

There are many fights where the smaller guy in height and reach still manages to get inside the bigger fighter. I wouldn't doubt it but size played a factor last night, I'm not talking about any other fights.

Size was absolutely the factor, Mikey couldn't get passed the long reach, spence kept mikey at bay with his jab all night. This isn't to say that if in an alternate universe if they were the same size and fought mikey would have won, I believe spence is indeed the superior boxer regardless, but you are blind or foolish if you think size wasn't a factor. It was a MAJOR factor last night. There are many fights where the smaller guy in height and reach still manages to get inside the bigger fighter.