Who is lineal at 147?

pacquiao....

I'd still say he wasn't despite CyberBoxingZone putting it in their books. Similar to when Floyd beat Mosley in 2010. Alot of divided opinion on whether or not that was for the Lineage. Either way though the Lineage just gets weaker and weaker doesn't it. Yeah, the fractured titles have completely destroyed title lineage.

There's 3 undefeated champs at welterweight. Whoever unifies the belts and becomes the undisputed champ will be the lineal.

We actually agree here😂 I didn’t consider Bradley the #2 either but for whatever reason the powers that be did. I wouldn’t consider Pac a legit lineal 147 champ either. But “officially” he was. I'd still say he wasn't despite CyberBoxingZone putting it in their books. Similar to when Floyd beat Mosley in 2010. Alot of divided opinion on whether or not that was for the Lineage. Either way though the Lineage just gets weaker and weaker doesn't it.

We're back at it already :lol1: It's a tough one for me because it's so subjective isn't it when it's vacant. I don't see how Pacquaio can be Lineal when he beat Bradley he was coming off a loss and a draw. The new lineage has to be started when the universal #1 and #2 fight right? Can't see how Bradley was the universal #2. The divison was wide open. We actually agree here😂 I didn’t consider Bradley the #2 either but for whatever reason the powers that be did. I wouldn’t consider Pac a legit lineal 147 champ either. But “officially” he was.

I think Manny was the last lineal. His retirement was only brief (7 months between fights), but official enough for the lineal to become vacant again. yet Wilder fangirls, pbc/haymon/showtime kept claiming Fury was STILL lineal champ after a 2.5 year retirement 🤦*♂️ If Spence and Crawford are the consensus 1 and 2, it's probably going to be a while before we get a WW lineal. I can agree with that

Crawford should be. Pacquiao was lineal by beating Bradley and then Horn beat Pac.

Officially he has been, him vs Bradley was for the vacant lineal title. I personally never considered the winner lineal champ myself but it is what it is We're back at it already :lol1: It's a tough one for me because it's so subjective isn't it when it's vacant. I don't see how Pacquaio can be Lineal when he beat Bradley he was coming off a loss and a draw. The new lineage has to be started when the universal #1 and #2 fight right? Can't see how Bradley was the universal #2. The divison was wide open.

No current welters have beaten the man that beat the man, per se. It has to be established again. My point of view. Unless something funny happens I agree, Crawford vs Spence is the fight to decide who is the man at 147

Vacant. Pacquaio has never been Lineal at 147. Officially he has been, him vs Bradley was for the vacant lineal title. I personally never considered the winner lineal champ myself but it is what it is

No current welters have beaten the man that beat the man, per se. It has to be established again. My point of view. Unless something funny happens

Vacant. Pacquaio has never been Lineal at 147.

Spence is my lineal champion because I think he would KO any welterweight fighting today. There is no lineal champion now although I think the whole lineal concept is BS anyway. Mayweather was considered the best welterweight so maybe he was the lineal champ but nobody beat him so when he retired the lineal title became vacant if you considered Mayweather the lineal champ. No welterweight fighting today has done enough to be considered the undisputed lineal welterweight champion. Crawford,Spence,Thurman and maybe Pacquiao and Porter are in the running. Porter and Pacquiao have a weaker case because Thurman edged Porter out earlier and Horn robbed Pacquiao and Crawford slaughtered Horn. Spence has a good case for being the best welterweight. Both Brook and Thurman beat Porter by a small amount and then Spence knocked Brook out. Still there is no clear lineal champion now. My eyes tell me Spence and Crawford are the best of the welterweights and a fight between them would settle it for me but others might think Thurman is the man to beat. Nobody is lineal until damn near everybody agrees he is lineal.

Both TBRB and CBZ had: -- Floyd (until he "retired" in 2015); ... and, then, Pacman (until he "retired" in 2016)...

I think Manny was the last lineal. His retirement was only brief (7 months between fights), but official enough for the lineal to become vacant again. If Spence and Crawford are the consensus 1 and 2, it's probably going to be a while before we get a WW lineal.

It has to be Manny. :D

^ Topic :drive: Officially there is no lineal champion at 147. Pacquiao was the last official lineal champ after beating Tim Bradley as they were ranked #1 and #2 after Mayweather retired, but as he “retired” in April 2016, the lineal title became vacant. I never considered Manny as actually retired and as he lost to Horn then Horn lost to Crawford you could conceivably make Crawford lineal champ, however officially the lineal welterweight title remains vacant.

Floyd was b4 he retired. I don't think there's an actual lineal champ right now

I don't remember. Maybe Manny was because of the Vargas fight, but I'm not sure.

Was Floyd lineal? Or Manny? :yo: