EFE AJAGBA -Joe Joyce who wins if they fought now

Ajagbe is very talented, more talented than Joyce, but right now Joyce jabs his head off and beats him down. Far too developed as a fighter. I know he fights funny, but results dont lie. Joyce must have something about him to have got where he has gotten in the Am code, and to be on the trajectory he is on as a pro.

Yea theres a insane amount of TOP level guys in PRIME at the same time that's going to be in top 10 now from whenever ? I consider myself a pretty decent scout? IDK Maybe its just me but weren't we the ONLY ones actually hyping Whyte up ( that fat bum of NSB ) ? lol Now according to the Wilder fans Joshua is now ducking him to? What fools. lol Whyte is now number 1 in a few sanctioning bodies,just the other day he was a fat guy who couldn't box. Now people are going to tell me Joyce is a slow robot ( he defeats Whyte ) . One thing for sure always go against the majority on here almost always. This poll proves it. ( though its a very brutal fight both are TRUE dominators .) :lol1: that is true about Whyte. Look its the same thing with Razor Rudock right? Most people did not even see when he was younger and had a whole arsenal with Chuvalo seeing him through.

People don’t really know what they’re looking at when they look at Joyce. Put him in there with anyone. It’s a fight.

Never gonna happen anytime soon since both are with Richard Schaefer but one day we may find out. probably lean towards Efe right now BUT I do think people are underestimating Joe Joyce like they did in the Amateurs. He is one of those guys who gets strong and strong the longer the fight goes. Both need a lot of work Defensively especially with Head Movement! Excited about the Future of the Heavyweight Division though with guys like Efe, Daniel Dubois, Hrgrovic, Dychko, Tony Yoka, Darmani Rock, Frank Sanchez, Bakhodir Jalolov, Oleksandr Teslenko, Stephen Shaw, Junior Fa I can keep going it is a TON of Talent on the Rise at Heavyweight from all over the world which is GREAT The Division is THIN now but if all live up to their potential it is going to be a LOADED Division in about 2-3 more years.

Pretty sure the KO that brought Wilder all the hype was when he had Liakhovich doing his best Lou Gherig impression. You are wrong. It wasn't until Wilder koed Stiverne in the rematch, and started calling Joshua out when all this hype began.

I think Ajagba wins. Joyce is too slow and predictable in my opinion. I would watch Joyce vs. Klitschko right now!

Ajagba going to be a range fighter. The problem isn't offensively its defense. He doesn't strike me as a fast combo puncher either , when he misses power shots he pauses with hands lowered ,which may not look like much but a good counter puncher will hit him more. ( this ALWAYS improves by fight at this stage ,im assuming hes a good listener and will improve on it. ) Joyce is critized on his speed ( people ignore his timing ) but he's much more defensive minded then Efe but also susceptiple to counter hands but he throws in volume so he's actually not hit that much at all and catches a lot of impact on his gloves , its an exaggeration. Ive seen Ajagba getting hit more cleanly ,but no one says nothing about that ,its Joyce is slow and hes fighting overall better guys and is in line to collide with AJ soon in boxing terms . Ajagba isn't a speed demon either at his current weight , if ppl were paying attention they would notice the weight gain as he's in 240's now. This is good and bad ,bad if it gets him hit more ,good if it helps him keep center of ring control more. Joyce is 260/270 pounds and not an easy fight for anyone. He will improve a bit more, maybe not much but he doesn't really have to he's a top guy as is win or lose. I really only see AJ controlling him and not getting pushed back. Fury and Wilder would struggle win or lose, Usyk may be the only light guy to out point him? Hrgovic is an great talent to very Vitali klitschko like and he really wouldn't be favored over Joyce ,who has a win over him in 2013 before he even was a polished fighter. I don't get how Joyce became an easy bum ( should have won gold as well ) and Ajagaba is the new boogeyman ,when the boogeyman is a hulking 6'6 265 pounder who doesn't stop throwing at you....? lol I like Ajagba but I have to look for holes as much as strengths, the guy I mentioned Sirenko is no doubt my top prospect then Sonny Conto . Im not sure where I would place Ajagba ,hes got tough competition ? Mentally? He's definatley mentally there, a good tunnel vision fighter you can see it. I think Joyce would be a great fight but if someones asking me who wins its going to be Joyce the much better accurate puncher/proven chin/experience/size . Power isn't really that much different either ,I don't think ppl realize how hard Joyce hits ,they're to concentrated on speed ?????? He's very much Foreman like ,not just style but walking guys into shots. EVERY trainer that's had him cant be wrong either. This is my top 5 prospect list for what I see in 3/5 years on most threat to Joshua who until proven is going to be that guy. In no time frame ( guys like Conto are just starting out ). 1. Sirenko 2. Conto 3. Hrgovic 4. Gorman 5. DDD/ Ajagba ( VERY even these two actually have a better shot at AJ then Gorman due to power and presence able to match Joshua physically ) Some of these guys easily beat guys in the official top 10...EASILY. Im sure theres many eastern Europeans could ruin this list but I haven't seen any that make a top 5,shows you how stacked it is, there's A LOT of talent coming soon. This could all change by fight of course. Hrgovic really isn't a prospect either by abilities but ???? Hes like a Usyk been there done that guy. you know he's operating at top level. Its just how he fights ,he punishes guys, grinds them out in deep waters. Im reading your post and realizing that we have quite a few guys coming up! I have to look at Joyce more, I happened to catch ajagba sort of looked once...then was like Hey! this guy is looking good! lol. Then I watched all his fights. I noticed the defensive liabilities... I think the next thing is how they look under pressure... thats what I want to see.

Joyce is a WBA champion next to being Joshuas mandatory. There perspective careers isn't in line to where they are now. The fight would be improbable and not warranted because Joyce is looking for title shots . Ajagba won't see any title fight until he has dozen fights. The WBA 'Gold'? Mmmm. To be fair though it does in theory line him up for Diamond Boy which is a fight he'd understandably take over Ajagba, so I guess you got a point.

This seems like a logical fight to set up Ha well - yeah, perfect in many respects given where they're both at with their careers and the hype behind 'em and heavyweights in general... Course what we can probably expect is the management of either or both to hedge their investment a bit longer because... well. Y'know. It's boxing.

I don't believe so, he was standing next to Bellew saying he doesn't want to impose on the champions moment, let it be about AJ or something to that extent way out of reach of the general ring area up in the broadcaster booth.He knew he was there to call him out , this is when Hearn stopped playing games with this character and the U.S smear campaign didn't help Wilder either. I think Wilder is scared of AJ. He could live with losing, but the thought of being left out cold, twitching on the canvas, they way he likes to brag about leaving other guys, is too much for his ego to bear.

I don't believe they met. Wilder from what I understand never met AJ face to face , hasn't happened yet . Wilder stayed away from the ring, went home and called AJ a ducking Coward praising him in the U.K. Ha Was Wilder not in the ring after AJ vs Wlad? I would have sworn he was, but I was very drunk when I watched that fight. I know he never called AJ out though.

Stiverne was beat up by Joyce prior to Wilder .I recall also Joyce when there said how lazy he was. There's no doubt Joyce fought better Stiverne who looked more solid , people will argue but muscle weighs more then fat . There's no way that Stiverne would take six rounds of punishment if it was fat and he wasn't training. He looked more fat on his obliques .That's about it the weight on a short frame. Edit : I think Joyce just overwhelmed him and people refuse to give him credit . Mostly Wilder fans the ones previously saying its a good test for Joyce which wasnt, a mismatch because as highs and others said he's a AJ opponent not a prospec or low level fighter coming up or washed up like some guys like Stivern e who's best days were 4 years ago. . Joyce isn't explosive like Wilder. He's patient and methodical, coming foreward constantly, throwing tons of punches which may not be particularly hard individually, but are heavy enough to gradually break his opponents down.

Pretty sure the KO that brought Wilder all the hype was when he had Liakhovich doing his best Lou Gherig impression. It got 10x worse after the Stiverne KO, because it meant that Deontay had KO'd everybody who ever got in a ring with him. And that, in turn, meant he would KO anybody who ever got in a ring, period - including AJ, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, The Klit bros, etc .. It was also after the Stiverne rematch that Wilder and his fans rewrote history and started claiming that Deontay had been chasing Joshua ever since AJ won his first title, which is bullcrap. Wilder attended AJ vs Wlad and was invited into the ring after the fight. Everybody expected a call out challenge, but it didn't happen. Wilder just shook hands with AJ, told him what a great fight it had been, then went away never to return.

I vividly remember Wilder's fanbase exploding in uncontrolled orgasmic ecstasy when Deontay KO'd an overweight 40 year old Stiverne just over a year ago. It was that KO which triggered the Wilder lunacy that fans like you are still gripped by till this day! Till this day! Till this day!!! You know what I'm talking about!! :lol1: Pretty sure the KO that brought Wilder all the hype was when he had Liakhovich doing his best Lou Gherig impression.

TBH, Stiverne looked the same against Joyce as in the second Wilder fight - overweight and sluggish, like he hadn't bothered training properly and was just there to pick up a pay cheque. But if we're talking about where Efe and Joyce are right now - I'm pretty sure Efe's team wouldn't have put him in with Stiverne and Joyce's team did. That indicates to me that, at least in the eyes of their handlers, Joyce is closer to stepping up to challenge the best in the division than Efe is. I don't see why Efe's handlers wouldn't throw Stiverne in there with him (well, not now obviously. He should never fight again) I thought he was retired. When I saw the first Joyce/Stiverne thread, i had still thought Joyce/Ortiz was going to happen, so i thought it was a joke thread. And Stiverne WAS fat and out of shape for the rematch, nobody is saying otherwise. He was fatter and more out of shape in the most recent match, but it's not like it made a difference, he looked like **** both times.

That KO was impressive. The reactions on this forum would have been the same whether Wilder had destroyed Stiverne or literally a random fat guy picked up at a bus stop. Ajagba. Faster, and stronger than Joyce. Stiverne was still in better shape for Joyce then his 2 year absence with Wilder rematch though ! And IN shape Stiverne went 12 with Wilder. Prepared Stiverne got demolished by Joyce no matter what he weighed. :cool2: TBH, Stiverne looked the same against Joyce as in the second Wilder fight - overweight and sluggish, like he hadn't bothered training properly and was just there to pick up a pay cheque. But if we're talking about where Efe and Joyce are right now - I'm pretty sure Efe's team wouldn't have put him in with Stiverne and Joyce's team did. That indicates to me that, at least in the eyes of their handlers, Joyce is closer to stepping up to challenge the best in the division than Efe is.

That “second best win” was almost 5 years ago. I vividly remember Wilder's fanbase exploding in uncontrolled orgasmic ecstasy when Deontay KO'd an overweight 40 year old Stiverne just over a year ago. It was that KO which triggered the Wilder lunacy that fans like you are still gripped by till this day! Till this day! Till this day!!! You know what I'm talking about!! :lol1:

No, I simply pointed out that the guy you described as an overweight 41 year old is Wilder's second best win and you got all huffy and defensive about it. That “second best win” was almost 5 years ago.

Ajagba. Faster, and stronger than Joyce.

That KO was impressive. The reactions on this forum would have been the same whether Wilder had destroyed Stiverne or literally a random fat guy picked up at a bus stop. You seem to be obessed with Wilder to be honest - just slightly - because I initially replied to one of your statements regarding Joe Joyce, then you made it about Wilder. No, I simply pointed out that the guy you described as an overweight 41 year old is Wilder's second best win and you got all huffy and defensive about it.