Ducking?

No. You CUCK. Borat refused to meet Canelo or Cotto in the middle in 2015. He refused to give Brook 3 pounds or even 1 pound in 2014-2015. Then he called out Froch and JCC Jr. at 168, but Ward at 164. Ward, Froch, JCC Jr all fought at the same weight class of 168. Pathetic DUCK. And it dont matter how you look at it LMFAO #BoratLogic Cuck...lol. Beat it nerd.

Why put the issue aside? Isn't he saying "Dre is too good so I need to disadvantage him?" He wanted to fight Froch and Chavez at the full 168, why not Ward? Are Loma and Davis in the same weight class? This whole site is calling for it, and I agree, and would love to see that at the full 135, not some BS catchweight. We can put it aside cuz ggg never fought anyone at 168. It’s not the first time a fighter was willing to move up to face one fighter but wanted a cw for another. Point is, it’s the most fair way to make that type of fight happen without waiting for a guy to move up in weight. Loma is capable of fighting tank at 130.

No doubt promoters duck.

If you name your price for a fight and then won't take the fight, clear duck.

Martinez, Cotto, Sturm, Canelo all were fighting at 160 with Golovkin and refused to fight him. Canelo obviously eventually did and then fights did great financially so maybe the waiting game paid off for both of them. Did Floyd duck Lara when he called him out or is Canelo ducking Bivol because he said he wants to fight him at 168? That's why I don't say Tank is ducking Loma, although Loma said he'd go back to 130 for the fight. They're at different weights and Tank hasn't even fought anyone at 130 yet. If the Loma fight was worth 20 million and he wouldn't fight him, I'd say it was a duck. GGG had a fight vs Cotto or Canelo in line and you think he'd go fight Ward for 1/5 of the money? He might look stupid but I don't think he is. canelos very first fight at 160 was GGG... i know he fought chavez at 164, but before that fight took place there was already a contract signed to fight ggg at 160...

I'm, again, not gonna a long essay of excuses. Good day. No worries. We understand it would take you until tomorrow to read a couple of paragraphs. Let's start simply and build up your skills. See Spot Run Run, Spot, Run Let us know when you get that and we can move on to Hop on Pop next, probably some time in April.

The Davis-Loma thing is excused. The lack of reading is not. Doesn't make much sense to post if all you want is an echo chamber, does it? Now let's correct your historical revisionism. Circumstances mean everything. GGG / Floyd would have been for both sets of belts - Super Welter and Middle. A catch-weight makes sense in that case. The Canelo fight was for the Middleweight belts and only those belts. Why would you fight at a different weight than what the belts are for? That's like criticizing Anthony Joshua for not wanting to agree to a catch-weight of 205 if he were fighting Usyk for the Heavyweight crown. It makes no sense whatsoever. None. Again, you can't duck someone in a different division. End of story. Was Roy Jones Jr. "ducking" Wladimir Klitschko when he beat Ruiz in 2003? RJJ himself said that he couldn't beat Wlad but thought he could take Ruiz. Is that somehow constituted as ducking now? Not to mention you still ignore the timing issue of GGG/Ward. Ward was already at 172 by the time that fight would have been made. Have you forgotten Ward's two years off just as GGG became a name because of Dre's fight with his manager? There wasn't a fight to be made with Ward because Ward wasn't fighting. Feel free to hate on GGG all you want. The historical revisionism and outright fallacies don't pass muster though. I'm, again, not gonna a long essay of excuses. Good day.

So, it's a duck. That's what the thread is about. You are saying he ducked Ward because of the risk and the money. If that's okay, then nobody has ever ducked GGG. He brought nothing to the table for people like Martinez, Cotto, and Canelo. I don't care about the reasons. The thread is about ducking and not whether some are selectively acceptable. Martinez, Cotto, Sturm, Canelo all were fighting at 160 with Golovkin and refused to fight him. Canelo obviously eventually did and then fights did great financially so maybe the waiting game paid off for both of them. Did Floyd duck Lara when he called him out or is Canelo ducking Bivol because he said he wants to fight him at 168? That's why I don't say Tank is ducking Loma, although Loma said he'd go back to 130 for the fight. They're at different weights and Tank hasn't even fought anyone at 130 yet. If the Loma fight was worth 20 million and he wouldn't fight him, I'd say it was a duck. GGG had a fight vs Cotto or Canelo in line and you think he'd go fight Ward for 1/5 of the money? He might look stupid but I don't think he is.

If it's the biggest financial fight to be made and the fighter chooses to fight someone else for less, then it's a certified duck.If they live in the same country that would be a duck.If they live in different counties home country advantage can be important.

I'm not gonna read all that. Are you one of the guys calling for Davis-Loma? If not, excuse this post. And, it's a clear duck, when a fighter wants to fight some fighters at 168 and not others. Was Froch gonna fight GGG at 160 or 164? No, the full 168. Remember, again, GGG refusing to fight Canelo at 155 but would come down to 154 for old Floyd? Can't defend this BS. The Davis-Loma thing is excused. The lack of reading is not. Doesn't make much sense to post if all you want is an echo chamber, does it? Now let's correct your historical revisionism. Circumstances mean everything. GGG / Floyd would have been for both sets of belts - Super Welter and Middle. A catch-weight makes sense in that case. The Canelo fight was for the Middleweight belts and only those belts. Why would you fight at a different weight than what the belts are for? That's like criticizing Anthony Joshua for not wanting to agree to a catch-weight of 205 if he were fighting Usyk for the Heavyweight crown. It makes no sense whatsoever. None. Again, you can't duck someone in a different division. End of story. Was Roy Jones Jr. "ducking" Wladimir Klitschko when he beat Ruiz in 2003? RJJ himself said that he couldn't beat Wlad but thought he could take Ruiz. Is that somehow constituted as ducking now? Not to mention you still ignore the timing issue of GGG/Ward. Ward was already at 172 by the time that fight would have been made. Have you forgotten Ward's two years off just as GGG became a name because of Dre's fight with his manager? There wasn't a fight to be made with Ward because Ward wasn't fighting. Feel free to hate on GGG all you want. The historical revisionism and outright fallacies don't pass muster though. But this little digression is exactly the type of chest thumping stupidity the OP was referring to. It's not enough to just dislike a guy but people have to actually invent stupid crap to try to justify their opinion.

Let me make it easy for you. Froch in the UK =HUGE $$$$ and a bit of risk Chavez Jr at that time =Huge $$$$ and basically zero risk Ward = not alot of $$$$$ but alot of risk. Pretty easy to see why they'd go to fight those other 2 at 168 bit make Ward come to 164. You've been around a long time, I'd tlike to think you'd get how the sport works by now. Same reason Tank won't fight Loma anytime soon, the risk is not worth the pay. So, it's a duck. That's what the thread is about. You are saying he ducked Ward because of the risk and the money. If that's okay, then nobody has ever ducked GGG. He brought nothing to the table for people like Martinez, Cotto, and Canelo. I don't care about the reasons. The thread is about ducking and not whether some are selectively acceptable.

Why put the issue aside? Isn't he saying "Dre is too good so I need to disadvantage him?" He wanted to fight Froch and Chavez at the full 168, why not Ward? Are Loma and Davis in the same weight class? This whole site is calling for it, and I agree, and would love to see that at the full 135, not some BS catchweight. Let me make it easy for you. Froch in the UK =HUGE $$$$ and a bit of risk Chavez Jr at that time =Huge $$$$ and basically zero risk Ward = not alot of $$$$$ but alot of risk. Pretty easy to see why they'd go to fight those other 2 at 168 bit make Ward come to 164. You've been around a long time, I'd tlike to think you'd get how the sport works by now. Same reason Tank won't fight Loma anytime soon, the risk is not worth the pay.

You can't duck someone in a different weight class. That's just dumb. Just like I wouldn't accuse Dre of ducking GGG by not coming down to 160. By the time GGG/Ward could have been a big thing Ward was already moving up in weight. The timing never was right for that fight even if they had interest in it. Personally, I think Ward decisions GGG in that match. Ward's a damn smart fighter. Also, GGG didn't duck Derevyanchenko to fight Vanes. He fought Vanes because there wasn't enough time to build up the fight with Derevyanchenko after Canelo dropped out. Any promoter is going to ensure that the risk and reward are commensurate. GGG/Derevyanchenko is a lousy fight for the MGM or StubHub Center or anywhere else in the US. It doesn't sell here. That fight has to take place in London or Moscow and would make serious bank there. There simply wasn't enough time to move the venue to a different country and promote it. Then GGG made career bank - $40 million - by fighting Canelo again. That's not ducking, that's business. I'm not gonna read all that. Are you one of the guys calling for Davis-Loma? If not, excuse this post. And, it's a clear duck, when a fighter wants to fight some fighters at 168 and not others. Was Froch gonna fight GGG at 160 or 164? No, the full 168. Remember, again, GGG refusing to fight Canelo at 155 but would come down to 154 for old Floyd? Can't defend this BS.

The only two I can think of are GGG ducking Ward and his mandatory. He wanted to fight Froch and others at 168, but not Dre. He wanted a catchweight of 164. He was also stripped for refusing to fight his mandatory, Derevyanchenko, to fight a 154 pounder bum in Vanes. That's as clear as it gets. The ducking is real sometimes. You can't duck someone in a different weight class. That's just dumb. Just like I wouldn't accuse Dre of ducking GGG by not coming down to 160. By the time GGG/Ward could have been a big thing Ward was already moving up in weight. The timing never was right for that fight even if they had interest in it. Personally, I think Ward decisions GGG in that match. Ward's a damn smart fighter. Also, GGG didn't duck Derevyanchenko to fight Vanes. He fought Vanes because there wasn't enough time to build up the fight with Derevyanchenko after Canelo dropped out. Any promoter is going to ensure that the risk and reward are commensurate. GGG/Derevyanchenko is a lousy fight for the MGM or StubHub Center or anywhere else in the US. It doesn't sell here. That fight has to take place in London or Moscow and would make serious bank there. There simply wasn't enough time to move the venue to a different country and promote it. Then GGG made career bank - $40 million - by fighting Canelo again. That's not ducking, that's business.

It seems to me, you can't enter a thread about any fighter without coming accross someone saying fighter A is ducking fighter B. Unless you are a complete idiot we know there are many more factors involved as to why two fighters don't meet at all, or years too late. But what constitues ducking right? Give me examples where you think someone ducked someone and why, or maybe accused of ducking them but unjustly accused. Thought this could be a good idea, and stick all the he's ducking him into one pot and taking other threads off topic. Karma given. There have been and are guys who actively duck other boxers. This is part of the sport of boxing. But around this forum everyone thinks they need to beat their chest and yell about ducking. It's idiotic. Even when obvious problems are pointed out - gross pay discrepancies, entirely unfair rematch clauses, preliminary bouts required - you get the same people who want to repeatedly cry ducking. They may think they sound big but to anyone else all we hear is tiny, tiny d*ick crying into the wind. Then there are the pieces we don't know. Injuries, glove sizes, ring sizes, locations, PPV splits, who promotes it, etc. that all come into play. This is a business and, as such, it's the whole deal that counts. Top fighters know that their career hangs by a thread and just because someone is offering a few more quid for a fight doesn't mean that it's a good deal, especially if they can get 5x as much down the road. As for actual ducking, I think there's some pretty good evidence that Larry Holmes purposely ducked some good fighters in the 80s - going so far as to give up his title to avoid Greg Page. It caught up to him in the end but after Holmes hit win 40 or so he wasn't really interested in fighting the top guys. Cus D'Amato / Floyd Patterson really avoided Liston until the cry became so great he had no option but to fight him. Riddick Bowe gave up the crown to avoid Lennox Lewis. There are other cases of it but frankly the amount of noise it's given here is absurd.

It depends how you look at things. What would be the issue with 2 guys who fight in different weight classes meeting in the middle? Put aside all the talk about facing this guy at this weight and not that guy...it’s not like ggg actually moved to 168 and fought anyone. Meeting in the middle seems a fair proposition so one guy doesn’t have 100% of the advantage in his favour, wouldn’t you say? If one guy refused to even entertain the idea of that, then who ducked who? There’s also the people who say ward ducked ggg when hbo wanted to make the fight and ward was having injury/promoter issues...so it really depends on what side of the fence you’re standing on. Neither really has a great reason why the other side is wrong, other than the fact they choose to support one guy, so they have to double down on it. Why put the issue aside? Isn't he saying "Dre is too good so I need to disadvantage him?" He wanted to fight Froch and Chavez at the full 168, why not Ward? Are Loma and Davis in the same weight class? This whole site is calling for it, and I agree, and would love to see that at the full 135, not some BS catchweight.

The only two I can think of are GGG ducking Ward and his mandatory. He wanted to fight Froch and others at 168, but not Dre. He wanted a catchweight of 164. He was also stripped for refusing to fight his mandatory, Derevyanchenko, to fight a bum 154 pounder like Vanes. That's as clear as it gets. It depends how you look at things. What would be the issue with 2 guys who fight in different weight classes meeting in the middle? Put aside all the talk about facing this guy at this weight and not that guy...it’s not like ggg actually moved to 168 and fought anyone. Meeting in the middle seems a fair proposition so one guy doesn’t have 100% of the advantage in his favour, wouldn’t you say? If one guy refused to even entertain the idea of that, then who ducked who? There’s also the people who say ward ducked ggg when hbo wanted to make the fight and ward was having injury/promoter issues...so it really depends on what side of the fence you’re standing on. Neither really has a great reason why the other side is wrong, other than the fact they choose to support one guy, so they have to double down on it.

The only two I can think of are GGG ducking Ward and his mandatory. He wanted to fight Froch and others at 168, but not Dre. He wanted a catchweight of 164. He was also stripped for refusing to fight his mandatory, Derevyanchenko, to fight a 154 pounder bum in Vanes. That's as clear as it gets. The ducking is real sometimes.

If the top fights aren't happening, the bulk of the blame has to be pointed at the guy with the belts and the all the money and power.

Tank ducking lomachenko is an obvious one. Khan ducking brook also last few years Definitely no doubt about these 2. But I have a little more respect for Davis. At least he came out and said he's ducking Loma instead of making excuses But Roddick Bowe ducking L. Lewis is a obvious one