Shelley Finkel: "latest offer from Eddie hearn is not worth reply"

Lol okay. I am curious what you make of "the coward" trying to make a deal with DAZN over Hearn as the news of today is saying? Or do you think his DAZN deal won't include a Joshua fight? Its clear as day Hearn has been f#ck boying these fight talks. I can't believe some of you cats are up Hearn's ass like that. And I'm saying this as a mfer who's said numerous times on this site Hearn is the best promoter in boxing right now, but I can be critical of him & call him on his bs. Wilder hasn't taken the deal yet. I won't believe it until I see him across the ring to AJ. DAZN are working on behalf of Hearn considering all the lies Wilder and co have said about him. AJ is a Hearn fighter. Hearn is the one who is drawing up the contract for the fight, not DAZN. DAZN are just acting as mediators. Hearn is offering Wilder money beyond what he is worth. He's giving a contract that hasn't before been done in history of the game. He's giving a joke who can't sell tickets or generate money 40% of the money. That's like Mayweather giving Ortiz 40% of the cut. Hearn is also giving a rematch clause to a weak B side against a huge A side. That has never happened in history either. And yet we see nutters rubbishing the deal and claiming AJ doesn't want the fight when the facts and logic clearly shows he does. Wilder on the other hand has done all he can to put a stop to this fight at every turn. He called 50% pretty much from the go. Finkle, who should know better, has done the same. Finkle knows business and what makes sense. Wilder getting half the money not only makes no sense, it is bat**** crazy. Finkle has been proven to be a liar. Hearn is accused of doing so, but with no evidence. It's just smears from Wilder's side and his fans in order to justify Wilder's cowardice and blame someone else. It's the American way you see. It pollutes every inch of your society from the top to the bottom. Just look at your politics. The campaign for presidency was grotesque from both sides with smearing being the main weapon. Defame characters at any cost to gain influence and power. It's nothing but bull**** and PR. Americans wish to see themselves in a certain light whether it be true or not. If it isn't true, then you'll see the poison and the smears to convince as many people as they can that it is true. I hope Wilder takes this extremely generous offer just so we can rid him from the boxing world for good. Hopefully his nutter fan base do likewise and ****off never to return. Never has it been this extreme before.

I wouldn't say I'm happy or mad about 99.9% of the business of boxing sh^t. Its largely irrelevant to me...but I understand how fighters want to receive as close to their potential max earnings as possible. And there are many ways in business to get your close to your potential max earnings. While that often can suck with many fights being marinated, often by promoters more than boxers, it is what it is in this era & not unexpected anymore. In fact I find myself surprised when something isn't marinated these days. The UFC has gained fans through putting on competitive fights event to event. Idk that they've stolen many fans doe. I consider myself a fan of both sports & ik plenty who feel similar. But 50/50 split is not Wilder's max earning potential. He's straight holding AJ and Hearn to ransom because he's a coward. If every fighter refused to fight unless the situation became extreme, we wouldn't even have a sport. As I say, the sport has turned into what it is because of people like you supporting it. Any sane person would stay well clear of how grotesque it has truly become. And Americans and their ****ed up levels of cowardice and being incredibly unreasonable is the problem. With American fans encouraging and supporting it, that is only going to get worse. This "Sport" is ****ing doomed. It cannot possibly continue like this.

Pay attention to the words that Eddie Hearn uses, lol 40% of DAZN's assumed fee; the DAZN fee was what was to be split. There's a difference between a 60/40 split, and what Hearn is even boasting publicly (nevermind the fee that he was still offering to Wilder as recent ago as Alvarez-Fielding). No he literally said he'd offer a split.

Again I wonder what the Wilder fans who support these guys who are corrupted liars look like ? I can't imagine what type of people they are . Ha What makes you think that any, ANY PROMOTER, is reliable? Eddie has said several contradictory things himself over time and he’s not the only one. Shelly may have encouraged wilder to not take fight, but these fighters will want that wbc strap

Fair & decent have lil & sometimes nothing to do with business. Your naive if you think it does. And Hearn knows & employs that into his strategies & offers as well. There is no good guy or bad guy here. In boxing you're worth whatever you can get & Wilder being arguably #2 (I consider him #3 post-Fury) at HW gives him a certain leverage in negotiations just like Joshua's numbers give him the power he has. So, as a boxing fan, you're happy and willing to support anyone who asks for a ridiculous amount of money way beyond their worth even though the likely outcome is not getting the fight, or getting the fight when one side or both, is way past prime? No wonder the UFC is taking fans from this sport. Who in their right mind would want to get involved in all this bull**** and a badly devalued product. But anyway, enjoy. It's the sport you wanted. It's the sport you got.

Hearn may end up giving Wilder 50% when it's all said and done. But that still doesn't excuse the lies, delusion, smearing, and cowardice of Wilder and all his fans. When your average is about 1.6 Mill a fight and you can't sell tickets but think you deserve about 50 Mill? Yeah, that's grotesque no matter which way you look at it. June 1 will be very interesting. It'll be the first time Joshua fights in America. It'll be the first time he has to file a purse with a commission in a country where the filed purse is public information. Fans are always comparing Joshua's purses to Wilder's purses. I've seen some here say the filed purses aren't true. I have no idea if that's true. I've seen some here say Joshua makes ten times more than Wilder. I have no idea if that's true. Joshua and Wilder are both fighting in New York next though. Wilder's purse will probably be his usual 2 million or maybe 3 million. But will Joshua's be the 30 million that's always claimed? I guess we'll find out.

Again doe I ask what will your stance be when Joshua vs Wilder happens next year since Wilder is supposedly scared or a coward today. Cuz as long as both keep winning they will...and hell even if one or both lose I suspect its still a strong possibility for 2020. The reality is this is mostly business, not sport, for both these guys. Fear & that sh^t ain't got nothing to do with nothing unless you're a fanboy of either guy. Hearn may end up giving Wilder 50% when it's all said and done. But that still doesn't excuse the lies, delusion, smearing, and cowardice of Wilder and all his fans. When your average is about 1.6 Mill a fight and you can't sell tickets but think you deserve about 50 Mill? Yeah, that's grotesque no matter which way you look at it. I'm surprised you're cool with the way Wilder and his fans have gone about all this. But if you want to feel like that, then don't expect me to view you as fair and decent.

if you want to bring boxing voice into it? Even NES, arguably eddies biggest critic and certainly wilders biggest fanboy said after the interview on his podcast that the offer was “too good to turn down” and that wilder should accept the offer There's a difference between 40% of the assumed fee from DAZN on a Joshua-Wilder fight, and a 60/40 split on Joshua-Wilder. Don't let the words confuse you. Eddie Hearn, on social media anyway, railed about "where's the contract?" yet got enough information on a proposed fight that he went to Joshua's camp with a "fight Wilder in the US on his deal or try to bring him to the UK on a revised deal" choice. With it was called a term sheet, proposal, draft, 'Wilder email', or whatever, Eddie Hearn spun his emphasis on the word 'contract' to trick folks out of seeing him looking to maybe set up a deal.

no he did give a straight answer and specifically said 40% and he'd offered a SPLIT. he specifically said that, even nestor shut up about it Pay attention to the words that Eddie Hearn uses, lol 40% of DAZN's assumed fee; the DAZN fee was what was to be split. There's a difference between a 60/40 split, and what Hearn is even boasting publicly (nevermind the fee that he was still offering to Wilder as recent ago as Alvarez-Fielding).

Oh well, nothing to get worked up about. Atleast we all are fully clear on the fact that Team Wilder have no interest in a fight with Anthony Joshua. Hopefully somebody else knocks Wilder out and the belt can be released from its captivity. You're right. Wilder has never wanted it and somehow manages to wriggle out of dangerous fights and always blames the other side. Worst WBC champion ever.

Hearn says a lot of **** in public that doesn't hold up. There's a difference between 40% on a fight, and 40% of the fee that DAZN is willing to pay on the fight for the US rights. I don't like their style, but Boxing Voice asked him, point blank, about the split and he couldn't give a straight answer. no he did give a straight answer and specifically said 40% and he'd offered a SPLIT. he specifically said that, even nestor shut up about it

Hearn says a lot of **** in public that doesn't hold up. There's a difference between 40% on a fight, and 40% of the fee that DAZN is willing to pay on the fight for the US rights. I don't like their style, but Boxing Voice asked him, point blank, about the split and he couldn't give a straight answer.if you want to bring boxing voice into it? Even NES, arguably eddies biggest critic and certainly wilders biggest fanboy said after the interview on his podcast that the offer was “too good to turn down” and that wilder should accept the offer

The extreme nature of the lies, delusion, and smear campaigns, would suggest Americans more than care about all this. Why would people put them selves out there and show the world how deranged they are if they didn't care? The facts suggest otherwise, regardless of how much you want to bat them away and not take responsibility for the things said and agreed with. OK you're clearly spending way too much time on this forum as well as on youtube listening to the wrong people and believing that those people speak for EVERYBODY in America

Hearn has publicly said MULTIPLE times that he offered 40% and received no response. he even said he'd offer more than 40%. Finkel said he didn't want no offers from Hearn :lol1: That's literally what he said. Hearn says a lot of **** in public that doesn't hold up. There's a difference between 40% on a fight, and 40% of the fee that DAZN is willing to pay on the fight for the US rights. I don't like their style, but Boxing Voice asked him, point blank, about the split and he couldn't give a straight answer.

The Breazeale fight isn't the payoff; Wilder-Joshua for all of the belts is, to the tune of Wilder's camp seeing the fight being worth $100m, to the possibility of breaking through to a whole lot more than that. Every step is being taken to make the payoff as big as possible, whether Wilder wins the fight or not. Beyond that, what's with all of this "stacked in his favor" bull****? The American judge scored the fight for Fury, the British judge scored the fight even, and Jack Reis gave Fury every chance to stay in the fight when 95% of the rest of the refs on this planet would called the fight the moment Fury's eyes rolled into the back of his head on the second knockdown. You're delusional Keep on making excuses. Being rational is not your forte. You don't have any ideas about Americans stacking things in their favour when against overseas fighters? You're not corrupt and don't rip off fighters constantly? The cult of America. Clearly. The same characteristics as religious people. Truth is lies and lies is truth. Facts don't seem to matter. Mind how you go.

^^^ lol. Yeah, alright The truth hurts.

He hasn't though, if what Finkell said in the interview was legit (and no idea when the interview was taken). Hearn was out here for the Alvarez-Fielding fight, got back in contact with Finkell, and talked up the money on offer and the spectacle of fighting at Wembley, as if that was supposed to mean anything to Finkell. Upon trying to follow-up, Hearn ghosts. No mention of 40% at any point in the interview. Hearn likes to talk, engage fans, and he uses that to his advantage. No one in Wilder's camp has yet to say anything about being offered 40% of anything; the closet things have come is Hearn being pressed on his $15m to fight Breazeale on DAZN, before then splitting whatever fee DAZN is willing to put up 60/40 Joshua. That's not the same thing, lol. Hearn has publicly said MULTIPLE times that he offered 40% and received no response. he even said he'd offer more than 40%. Finkel said he didn't want no offers from Hearn :lol1: That's literally what he said.

Sorry but it is just not that SERIOUS for most Americans compared to Brits who seem to be just so occupied with a UK vs US type of thing. That is not how things work in America, first off most Americans don't know who Wilder, AJ or Fury is at least not enough care as much as YOU DO Secondly, Wilder don't represent American Boxing as a whole because that is NOT even how America watch sports. Plenty of Objective Americas who like Fury and AJ more than Wilder compared to Brits who lets be honest you RARELY see Brits on youtube or whatever going against their Fellow Brit The extreme nature of the lies, delusion, and smear campaigns, would suggest Americans more than care about all this. Why would people put them selves out there and show the world how deranged they are if they didn't care? The facts suggest otherwise, regardless of how much you want to bat them away and not take responsibility for the things said and agreed with.

Wilder already has had multiple broken hands and bicep injuries. He took a lot of punishment in his last 2 fights, he definitely cannot keep fighting those fights for 8-10 more fights. that's for sure. He needs to make money now. ^^^ lol. Yeah, alright

But Wilder has already been offered 40% and didn't even respond :lol1: Yeah I'm missing the forest for the trees. He hasn't though, if what Finkell said in the interview was legit (and no idea when the interview was taken). Hearn was out here for the Alvarez-Fielding fight, got back in contact with Finkell, and talked up the money on offer and the spectacle of fighting at Wembley, as if that was supposed to mean anything to Finkell. Upon trying to follow-up, Hearn ghosts. No mention of 40% at any point in the interview. Hearn likes to talk, engage fans, and he uses that to his advantage. No one in Wilder's camp has yet to say anything about being offered 40% of anything; the closet things have come is Hearn being pressed on his $15m to fight Breazeale on DAZN, before then splitting whatever fee DAZN is willing to put up 60/40 Joshua. That's not the same thing, lol.